In what universe is Crawford ahead of Usyk as P4P number 1?

Heavyweights don't belong on pfp list. ​​​​​​Crawford 1 Inoue 2

Im not criticizing in any way. Just was doing some searching and came up on this. Alright sweet. for the record I think Crawford’s performance puts him at P4P no. 1 now, but that accolade is all about what you’ve done lately. Imo a fairer way to look at it is that all of Inoue Crawford and Usyk are in the convo. Not really any way to separate them tbh. Crawford’s resume was pretty bad up until recently but he always was amazing with his skills and the eye test. He proved people wrong for sure. The man is a beast and a real killer no doubt now

Crawford’s skills are amazing. Usyks skills are amazing. Crawford’s resume is very poor. Usyk’s resume is very good. you can’t be p4p number one without having great opposition. Breidis, Gassiev and Joshua were all prime quality opponents and beaten in their own back yards. Who has Crawford beaten at the age of almost 35? Hmmm, both are great fighters no doubt but NEITHER is pertinent

I didn’t even realize this was done in 2022. In 2022 to have Crawford over Fury, USYK, Canelo and Inoue is just wrong. after the Spence claim he is top 3 for sure but to me he’s 3 behind USYK and Inoue. It wasn't wrong and Fury doesn't even belong on the list.

I mean officially Usyk is #1 is almost every major list. No he isn't. Don't lie.

In the universe of made up lists such as p4p. yeah, It's just an imaginary title. I think it's okay to imagine Inoue, Crawford or Usyk as #1.

I didn’t even realize this was done in 2022. In 2022 to have Crawford over Fury, USYK, Canelo and Inoue is just wrong. after the Spence claim he is top 3 for sure but to me he’s 3 behind USYK and Inoue.

In the universe of made up lists such as p4p.

Crawford’s skills are amazing. Usyks skills are amazing. Crawford’s resume is very poor. Usyk’s resume is very good. you can’t be p4p number one without having great opposition. Breidis, Gassiev and Joshua were all prime quality opponents and beaten in their own back yards. Who has Crawford beaten at the age of almost 35? Not to mention at HW he is consistently the smaller fighter. What USYK is doing is amazing, p4p #1.

Crawford didn’t have this big Spence win back then. He just had underwhelming unification at lower weight. Usyk had cruiser unification run against beasts and had beaten Joshua at Heavy. Im not criticizing in any way. Just was doing some searching and came up on this.

Quick bump to show the discussion back in June 2022. Crawford didn’t have this big Spence win back then. He just had underwhelming unification at lower weight. Usyk had cruiser unification run against beasts and had beaten Joshua at Heavy.

Quick bump to show the discussion back in June 2022.

While I agree that Usyk is currently number 1, Crawfoird's resume at 140 is solid and he has a good win at 147 in porter. He still has more to do to be considered p4p no 1 but this narrative that Crawford hasn't beaten anyone is ridiculous. Now Inoue, as good as he is, needs to get some more notable wins before being considered. He needs to unify, it would be a shame not to, then he needs to move up. All the stars are big guys though. Shakur is the nearest big name to Inoues weight and I doubt he will stay at super feather for much longer

Thats fair. I wouldn’t put Spence above Usyk or Inoue if he beats Crawford only because Spence is a true WW. I would move him up to 3. Usyk beats Fury imo he’s #1 unless Crawford beats Spence and then beats Charlo at 154. Spence himself said he’s not the same after the crash. Crawford’s age might not be so much of a factor because I think sports science and supplements as well as TRT can extend a fighter’s prime well beyond what we saw in the past. I expect boring tense fight with 8-4 result to Crawford. Spence is relentless though and will not give up. Should be a great fight. Glad it’s being made finally now, I got tired of being strung along and gave up on it tbh. Crawford would be a very live dog at 154 no doubt. Would be nuts if he went there and won. if Usyk beat Fury Jesus Christ I have no idea where to place him. Could be all time number 1 heavyweight. Surpassing Evander’s achievements by being undisputed at cruiser and heavy while beating the best possible guys (Evander could beat Lennox)

You really rate his win over Gamboa as one of his best? He had been knocked down 16 times from 126 to 130. And his first fight at 135 vs Darlys Perez was a huge struggle for him. Right before the Perez fight Gamboa was hurt badly vs Farenas in the 9th round, dropped HARD. Which boxrec omits, idk why. Really Gamboa was at his best at 126, when fans were clamoring for Gamboa - JuanMa. 135lb Gamboa was about as good, or even a little worse than 147lb Sharmba Mitchell. This feels like a hindsight analysis. Gamboa was undefeated when he and Crawford met. He may have been hurt in fights, but he won them. Since when does getting hurt mean more than winning? It just feels like too many use Crawford’s ww resume to judge his while resume. I don’t think that right.

People are so disrespectful of Crawford

I think Usyk is above Crawford right now but Bud will get his chance to take the top spot this year hopefully vs Spence. If that happened then Usyk could take the top spot back if he beat Fury. Two big ‘ifs’ though in my opinion. I’d pick Spence and Fury in those matchups. Hope we get them.

Usyk is awesome but people are really gonna hype up B level guys like Breidis and Gassiev to prove a point? Lol

- - Lo & Behold, Bow thee and Scrape thee: 1 Tyson Fury 652.5 heavy 33 32 0 1 orthodox Morecambe, United Kingdom 2 Saul Alvarez * 641.6 super middle 31 57 2 2 orthodox Guadalajara, Mexico 3 Dmitrii Bivol 586.4 light heavy 31 20 0 0 orthodox Indio, USA 4 Gennadiy Golovkin * 565.7 middle 40 42 1 1 orthodox Los Angeles, USA 5 Terence Crawford 503.8 welter 34 38 0 0 southpaw Omaha, USA 6 Errol Spence Jr 433.1 welter 32 28 0 0 southpaw Desoto, USA 7 Oleksandr Usyk 429.8 heavy 35 19 0 0 southpaw Oxnard, USA 8 Anthony Joshua 234.9 heavy 32 24 2 0 orthodox Watford, United Kingdom 9 Naoya Inoue 224.1 bantam 29 23 0 0 orthodox Yokohama, Japan 10 Deontay Wilder 208.6 heavy 36 42 2 1 orthodox Tuscaloosa, USA 11 Shakur Stevenson 204.7 super feather 24 18 0 0 southpaw Alexandria, USA 12 Artur Beterbiev * 191.8 light heavy 37 17 0 0 orthodox Montreal, Canada 13 Callum Smith 186.4 light heavy 32 28 1 0 orthodox Liverpool, United Kingdom 14 Mairis Briedis * 174.8 cruiser 37 28 1 0 orthodox Riga, Latvia 15 Gervonta Davis 152.9 light 27 27 0 0 southpaw Baltimore, USA 16 Keith Thurman 152.6 welter 33 30 1 0 orthodox Clearwater, USA 17 Josh Taylor 151.0 super light 31 19 0 0 southpaw Haddington, United Kingdom 18 Jermell Charlo 146.5 super welter 32 35 1 1 orthodox Richmond, USA 19 Gilberto Ramirez 142.5 light heavy 30 44 0 0 southpaw Mazatlan, Mexico 20 Jose Carlos Ramirez 138.1 super light 29 27 1 0 orthodox Avenal, USA 21 Yordenis Ugas 135.8 welter 35 27 5 0 orthodox Miami, USA 22 Roman Gonzalez 135.4 super fly 34 51 3 0 orthodox Managua, Nicaragua 23 Dillian Whyte 133.6 heavy 35 28 3 0 orthodox Brixton, United Kingdom 24 Joe Smith Jr * 126.3 light heavy 32 28 3 0 orthodox Long Island, USA 25 Devin Haney 112.6 light 23 28 0 0 orthodox Las Vegas, USA 26 Jermall Charlo 106.6 middle 32 32 0 0 orthodox Houston, USA 27 Joseph Parker 105.1 heavy 30 30 2 0 orthodox Morecambe, United Kingdom 28 Stephen Fulton 103.2 super bantam 27 21 0 0 orthodox Philadelphia, USA 29 Jose Zepeda 102.1 super light 33 35 2 0 southpaw La Puente, USA 30 Jaime Munguia * 99.93 middle 25 39 0 0 orthodox Tijuana, Mexico 31 Vasyl Lomachenko 96.60 light 34 16 2 0 southpaw Oxnard, USA 32 Regis Prograis 95.44 super light 33 27 1 0 southpaw Houston, USA 33 Emanuel Navarrete 94.42 feather 27 35 1 0 orthodox San Juan Zitlaltepec, Mexico 34 Chris Eubank Jr 91.94 middle 32 32 2 0 orthodox Brighton, United Kingdom 35 Sebastian Fundora 90.41 super welter 24 19 0 1 southpaw Coachella, USA 36 Erislandy Lara 85.52 middle 39 29 3 3 southpaw Houston, USA 37 Ilunga Junior Makabu 84.65 cruiser 34 29 2 0 southpaw Johannesburg, South Africa 38 Teofimo Lopez 83.26 light 24 16 1 0 orthodox Jonesboro, USA 39 Jesse Hart 82.24 super middle 32 28 3 0 orthodox Philadelphia, USA 40 Demetrius Andrade 79.87 super middle 34 31 0 0 southpaw Providence, USA 41 John Ryder 79.83 super middle 33 31 5 0 southpaw Islington, United Kingdom 42 Lawrence Okolie 78.76 cruiser 29 18 0 0 orthodox Hackney, United Kingdom 43 Nonito Donaire 78.24 bantam 39 42 7 0 orthodox Las Vegas, USA 44 Vergil Ortiz Jr 78.21 welter 24 18 0 0 orthodox Grand Prairie, USA 45 Daniel Jacobs 78.09 super middle 35 37 4 0 orthodox Brooklyn, USA 46 Gary Allen Russell Jr 77.56 feather 34 31 2 0 southpaw Capitol Heights, USA 47 Sergey Kovalev 77.17 cruiser 39 35 4 1 orthodox Fort Lauderdale, USA 48 Oscar Valdez 74.96 super feather 31 30 1 0 orthodox Mexico 49 Brian Carlos Castano 73.24 super welter 32 17 1 2 orthodox Isidro Casanova, Argentina 50 Yuniel Dorticos 72.24 cruiser 36 25 2 0 orthodox Miami, USA

Again, don’t deflate the guys Crawford beat. Context matters. You left off Burns in Scotland and Gamboa. I wasn’t even counting Dullorme lol. He’s unified 2 divisions dude that has to count for something. He didn’t unify hwt yet. I didn’t think he’d lose to AJ. I picked Usyk. If you favor Usyk fine. Just don’t do it this way. Crawford earned his spot. If you’re using his inactivity ok. His ww resume is not great other than Porter. Fair criticism. Just don’t forget all Crawford did when Usyk wasn’t in the Super Series is all I’m asking. You really rate his win over Gamboa as one of his best? He had been knocked down 16 times from 126 to 130. And his first fight at 135 vs Darlys Perez was a huge struggle for him. Right before the Perez fight Gamboa was hurt badly vs Farenas in the 9th round, dropped HARD. Which boxrec omits, idk why. Really Gamboa was at his best at 126, when fans were clamoring for Gamboa - JuanMa. 135lb Gamboa was about as good, or even a little worse than 147lb Sharmba Mitchell.