Hope they blacklist Crawford

Julio "Woke" Chavez https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/mar/25/chavez-still-quite-critical-of-bob-arum/

so he's white with a big nose? Are we talking about the colour of his skin, or his ethnicity? If it's the latter you should really be more specific. There's a whole range of whites, ya dirty redknack Brilliant analysis little fella

Sign me up for blacklisting this fool out of boxing. Kept resigning with TR and was ok to coast his way to easy millions. Leaves because they couldn’t turn his boring, dry, no personality ass into a PPV star. I’m done reading about him, hope he loses in court and urging all promoters to not answer his calls when he comes knocking. Ungrateful! He’s nothing but a bunch of trouble. Oh and ****K woke culture. Blah....blah...blah...:bryce: Quit whining about him then. :bling1:

People keep bringing up Floyd leaving Arum as some kind of evidence of something. Floyd left because he believed he could be a bigger star than Arum believed he could be. Well besides Floyd and Haymon, who else in their right mind thought Floyd would end up with a BILLION dollars in career earnings?? Anyone who says they did is a liar, because if you would have made that claim 15 years ago you would have been laughed out of the gym. Arum offered Floyd $8 million bucks to fight Margs. That was a BOATLOAD of money back then. Floyd thought he was worth more, ventured out on his own, and ultimately proved himself to be right. Good for him. But that doesnt make Bob a racist, it makes him a businessman who made a simple risk/reward decision. The same type of decision he made with Oscar, Cotto, and a thousand other fighters. I cant speak for everyone, but I have worked with most of the people at Top Rank in one way or another over the years, and I never got the slightest sense of any racist motivations over there. Its all about BUSINESS. Things either make money, or they don't. Are you by any chance Jewish? Only jokin haha. Yeah man the racist thing seems a bit strange, except for the fact that Terence Crawford is exceedingly black! But in terms of categorization, no more black than the next African American. But aye, certainly seems there was some favouritism, or the opposite of going on there, or something of the sort, something sour. Great Pity. As for TC doing a Floyd, I remember seeing a clip of him meeting Errol Spence backstage at a big fight and he was a straight up G, very charismatic. He plays it down though, and gets shy, on occasion. It's a weird thing. Best fighter going. The problem with any person of talent today, be it athelete or artist, is that they're doomed to self promote. And some people just do not have the knack(or the taste) for this.

I’m already sick of this story.

Yeah I dunno man, if he accepts a 95-5 split Spence might fight him. Damn Shame.

He's effectively blacklisted already. PBC said a Spence fight wouldn't draw money, Hearn said he has noone for him to fight, and now the Top Rank thing. He could sign with PBC and fight one of their lesser fighters or I could see a Ortiz fight as Oscar and Vergil seem to want it.

Something happened. He gave Khan 5 + million to fight Bud. But wouldn’t offer 1miilion barely for a fight with Porter or Thurman after..??? Khan is an absolute goldmine, erego his whole mad endless career. I was thinkin about it the other day, think it might be a combination of --- his good looks, asian appeal, brit appeal, overall charisma and youth at beginning of pro career, hapless sort of naivety, endearing like, AND, a crazy unconventional style(in the true brit tradition. they don't have american schooling...) yes, some madman described it in a youtube comment, he likes to play with fire, crazy fast hands, puts his head in the line of fire in order to fire off his unorthodox unpredictable combinations, with surprising pop and power. Rarely in a boring fight early in his career. UNdeniable heart which may be in fact owed to an ego fed unquenchable thirst for success status etc etc etc love you xo

My only issue is when people refer to Arum as white. He's a Jew so he's white with a big nose? Are we talking about the colour of his skin, or his ethnicity? If it's the latter you should really be more specific. There's a whole range of whites, ya dirty redknack

Sign me up for blacklisting this fool out of boxing. Kept resigning with TR and was ok to coast his way to easy millions. Leaves because they couldn’t turn his boring, dry, no personality ass into a PPV star. I’m done reading about him, hope he loses in court and urging all promoters to not answer his calls when he comes knocking. Ungrateful! He’s nothing but a bunch of trouble. Oh and ****K woke culture. Haha you racist little boy! With tiny peenor, and troubled life. Wake up and appreciate the present day GOAT. Good way to start a thread tho. Respect.

My only issue is when people refer to Arum as white. He's a Jew

Something happened. He gave Khan 5 + million to fight Bud. But wouldn’t offer 1miilion barely for a fight with Porter or Thurman after..???

Let me guess, now that he’s no longer with Arum the Spence fight still won’t happen. Pretty much. This will “clear” his name so to speak.

People keep bringing up Floyd leaving Arum as some kind of evidence of something. Floyd left because he believed he could be a bigger star than Arum believed he could be. Well besides Floyd and Haymon, who else in their right mind thought Floyd would end up with a BILLION dollars in career earnings?? Anyone who says they did is a liar, because if you would have made that claim 15 years ago you would have been laughed out of the gym. Arum offered Floyd $8 million bucks to fight Margs. That was a BOATLOAD of money back then. Floyd thought he was worth more, ventured out on his own, and ultimately proved himself to be right. Good for him. But that doesnt make Bob a racist, it makes him a businessman who made a simple risk/reward decision. The same type of decision he made with Oscar, Cotto, and a thousand other fighters. I cant speak for everyone, but I have worked with most of the people at Top Rank in one way or another over the years, and I never got the slightest sense of any racist motivations over there. Its all about BUSINESS. Things either make money, or they don't. And its not really a stretch to parallel this to what is going on in broader society. There seems to be more and more of the "blame" culture, where there must always be a racist, sexist, or transphobic person somewhere to blame for your troubles. I am a fan of Crawford as a fighter, but I don't know him personally. Sure, like everyone else I heard about the auto repair shop incident, but I didn't know enough about the circumstances to form an opinion one way or the other. In this case, the complaint was posted in its entirety by Rafael, so there is no mystery about the allegations. Yes, Bud is free to have the opinion that Bob didnt promote him as well as he could/should have. But have you ever listened to Bud at a presser? Good luck getting people interested. Its almost like listening to those white noise CDs that are supposed to help you fall asleep. But Bob paid him well for his talents, and Bud is now a multi-millionaire. He is now also a free agent, and can do the type of self-promotion that Floyd did, and maybe make himself a billion dollars. Or not......

Let me guess, now that he’s no longer with Arum the Spence fight still won’t happen.

Cheers bud Floyd-Pac still counts as "one of the biggest fights in history" I think it might even be the single biggest. Not exactly a part of Arum's career I'd detail if I was going to write a positive spin on said career. Or to say that differently, if my claim is he's delayed every major fight he possibly could have at the determent of his fighters, then, him being a part of them is not a contradiction, is it? It's right in the criticism, yes, he is a part of every major fight he delayed. Par for the course for Arum is Bud-Spence happens when they're both near retirement. It's still be a big fight....still an example of him being **** for boxing. Why is Arum getting all the blame from you for SpenceCrawford not getting done ? Is he the only one involved? I haven't seen the other side making any moves to get the fight done either Bottom line is all the promoters make the fights when it suits their guys. There are no Fernando Vargas types out there anymore. He fought s murderers row and it was probably to his detriment at the time taking all those fights against elite guys all the time but he wanted the fights so they got done. It takes 2 to tango. If Spence AND Crawford wanted the fight so bad it would have got done already.

I appreciate it bud. Sometimes you got to make people cry. Provocation is notice around here. I do not see how that isn't covered. I used terms like "he feels" for a reason bud. I was honestly trying to be neutral on Bud's bit, just stating his position, and then tear Arum up because he's getting way too much protection and support from fans who don't really like Arum they just got triggered by another race angle. I got a few posts in lounge atm speaking to what I think of the 100 million ****ing race threads here, I really don't give a ****. My giving Bobby the business has nothing to do with Bud. I had to dip into other careers and events to do it for the same reason I qualified Bud's position with "he feels", I don't know or care enough about Bud to keep the focus on just Bud-Bob, I know enough about Bob to know any boxing fan supporting him is a dumb ****, no offense. I won't eat crow because I didn't claim Arum is holding him back Youse guys got like 2 routes you can take now 1 Yer too stupid to understand why I kicked it off with "He Feels" 2 So emotional it registered but you don't give a ****. So, take your pick, I don't care which you are, but what you just said to me isn't even a ****ing response to what I said to you and now I feel exactly the same way as I do when the old lady got an issue....That's loosely relative at best and other than attitude I can't figure out what you think you are arguing about. Reread the post or go cry in the corner, I give 0 ****s. He feels, I think the allegation is ..... Are you that ****ing stupid or that ****ing whiney? See that post above where I tell el he argues like a female? The **** do you want me to tell you? Yes? There is **** all contradictory here except attitude. Let me reword it for you: Oh yeah bud, you're right, Floyd did say prior to leaving Arum that Arum is holding him back, then Floyd left Arum, totally changed his promotional package, and made himself the richest athlete of all time. Proving what exactly? He was right? :lol1: Yup. --- :rolleyes: Y'all crying about Crawford sure showed me. Jeez-oh Bob Arum has done so much for this sport? Wait....what's that? Not a single one of you ****s came to prove Bob's worth a **** you just mistook he feels X and I think his position is Y as support for Bud huh? So if my point was Bob Arum is **** what did you do to change that or even address it? **** all? Exactly, Bob Arum is a **** scumwad who ought to be removed from the sport. At least King got us fights ya dumb ****ers. Fair enough. Respect

Are you saying to cancel Bud now that he’s trying to cancel Arum?

Good for boxing? Yeah i can agree there, good for the fans is different though. Don King Fans hate on him because he screwed boxers to get the fights we wanted. That **** makes sense. Fans love Bob because he overpays fighters to sit on a shelf and gather dust while big money fights pass them up. Also makes just a ton of sense. Tex Rickard, good promoter Richard Foxx, bad promoter Both racist ****s, but, one of them brought the fans great fights and the other helped shelf fighters and made them linger in lower ranks. It's really not hard to identify the good promoters from the bad ones. If you have two, X and Y, and they both promote the champions, all champions are split between X and Y. X has his champions fight one another and makes high profile fighters from the high profile fights. Y uses the names of the fighters to sell fights against no-hopers while lining the undercard with dudes no one has ever heard of. Better for the sport? debateable. Better for the fans? Not so much a debate is it. Bob Arum has been involved in some of the biggest fights in boxing history. TR wouldn't still be around and as strong as they are if they were that bad st their jobs let's be honest Arum may be a racist pig who knows but apparntly he runs a good buisness over there

I didn't defend bud. I attacked Bob. There's a difference. There is no convincing me Arum is good for boxing There is no convincing me it's beneficial for fans to support Arum. If the full extent of what you want to talk about is Bud's not going to do much if any better without Bob then you should probably pack it in because I hardly give any ****s about Bud. He's a talent, that's it. Bob's not a talent, not a benefit, not anything but a drag on the sport. I have 0 reasons to give any ****s about Bob Arum and no position on Crawford will change that because I hardly give a **** about Terrence too. IMO no promoters are good for boxing. All they do is get in the way of us seeing great fights.