I've decided to just make this a post on its own because I'm tired of these fan boys dreaming of being tea bagged by Clenelo. Clenelo is a drug cheat. It is what it is. Here is evidence of using HGH before he fought Golovkin in the second fight. After seeing the evidence and you still don't believe it, you have to ask yourself why you are going up to bat for another man you don't even know. :lol1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsICYl_HyLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkMGzV4sUyk&t=2s
While a drug cheat those bumps are small lipomas, which are basically just tiny lumps of fatty tissue that are formed into a kind of lump not injection sites.
If you get lean enough you will likely have them yourself, they're rather common on the abs especially and forearms.
Those bumps are injection site reactions. It's either inflammation from the administration of the drug or what is called lipohypertrophy, which is the result of trauma from repeated injections. You hear about it more commonly with insulin injections because people with diabetes often use the stomach to administer the injection. But it has more to do with the bodies reaction to being repeatedly punctured than anything else. It is definitely not normal when considering body fat levels.
Your logic is flawed. You are approaching the topic form a "HE CHEATED 100%" point so you are not allowing the science to tell you the story, your story "he cheated" is warping the science to make your point.
Have a nice day.
The point is that thad the hair follicle test had any significance, it would have also confirmed he had taken clenbuterol, regardless of whether it was accidental or intentional. It still should have appeared in the test. The fact that it did not appear, at the very minimum, confirms that the test is worthless. At the worst, it points to a cover up and PR stunt.
I’d confidently predict that, at the very least, 95% of top level athletes are using PED’s.
Id say its much higher than that, closer to 97% actually
& those needle marks, hold on, nelo is ginger not dumb, he injects where noone apart from him can see it, his ass cheeks
Wow? We have a dumb ass here who thinks he's smarter than he really is. I couldn't be more thrilled. It is always amusing. :lol1: Given that I can't beat you up physically, I have to settle for beating you up mentally. :lol1:
Okay pea brain, listen up:
Clenbuterol has a half life of up to 48 hours max. It could be as low as 32 hours, relative to a person's metabolism. Canelo Alvarez tested positive for trace levels of the banned substance clenbuterol on February 17th and on February 20th of that year. Alvarez submitted a hair follicle sample at the request of the Nevada State Athletic Commission on March 29th, and the result came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. Keeping in mind that Alvarez tested positive for the banned substance on February 17th and February 20th(whereby he was subsequently suspended by the commission), one month and 12 days had elapsed, which is 40 days.
With regard to how long a drug is biologically available within the body, 94 to 97 percent of a drug will have been eliminated after 4 to 5 half-lives. Therefore, it follows that after 4 to 5 half-lives, the plasma concentrations of a given drug will be below a clinically relevant concentration and thus will be considered to have been eliminated.
Clenbuterol's half-life would have been eliminated within, at the soonest, 192 hours, or to say it another way, in eight days. At that point, it would have no longer be retained within the body, as being biologically available. Most of the substance will have been eliminated via renal expulsion. Because many drugs have half-lives that are expelled relatively quickly, a different test had to be devised to be able to go back further in time, a test that would allow interested parties the ability to determine who is cheating or abusing drugs, knowing that with urine analysis the window to catch abusers is very small. This is where the hair-follicle test is utilized because drugs, regardless of their half-life, can be detected without being biologically available. It's like a fossil in tar, if you will, preserved for a greater length of time than are bones in the earth.
Hair growth rates vary; typically, head hair grows at an average of one-half inch per month. Therefore, a 1.5-inch hair sample detects drug use up to 90 days prior to testing, regardless of half-life. (It has nothing to do with half-life you moron.) What matters is that the hair sample is collected within those 90 days, before the individual can cut it. Because he tested positive on the 17th of February, we can determine that he had to have taken clenbuterol no sooner than February 9th. That means it will have been, at the most, 48 days since Canelo had taken clenbuterol. That is well within the 90-day range of detection. WELL WITHIN THE 90 DAYS OF DETECTION.
And with that, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to crush your puny brain :lol1: Now STFU.
Your logic is flawed. You are approaching the topic form a "HE CHEATED 100%" point so you are not allowing the science to tell you the story, your story "he cheated" is warping the science to make your point.
Have a nice day.
While a drug cheat those bumps are small lipomas, which are basically just tiny lumps of fatty tissue that are formed into a kind of lump not injection sites.
If you get lean enough you will likely have them yourself, they're rather common on the abs especially and forearms.
You dont know what you are talking about. Their something called "half life" so as time goes on the substance in someone system gets cut in half and cut in half till it is no longer present in the person system.. get it "HALF LIFE". Okay now keep up cause its gets into more critical thinking now... Now the hair test can see months back of prior use if their was any however Canelo hair sample were clean so that means Canelo did not ingest any substances prior to the test. You dont get it still? read on... Now you look at the test themselves and look at the trace amounts that were detected and apply its half life to it and count backwards, so for the levels to be what they were on the day of the test(s) it means had Canelo had ingested clenbuterol with the intentions of cheating he would have had to take minimum X amount because X amount is the minimum effective dose of clenbuterol however that minimum effective dose half life timeframe would mean it will 100% have to show in the hair test but since it didnt it means their is no possible way Canelo ingested clenbuterol with the intention to cheat.
No. You need to read up on the state of hair testing for Clen man. Even WADA who are trying to develop a discriminatory test it and the lab who did it basically said it meant nothing. It was PR stunt nothing more.
You want more detail, man? I've looked into it in some depth but I ain't gonna go back over old threads and dig out links unless you're actually interested. Simply put the research hasn't been done yet to establish any consistency in elimination rates in hair strands (oh yeah, and the methods favoured test the hair strand not the follicle). Turns out Clen binds well to melanin which is obviously the main pigment in hair, but this also means the testing is heavily dependent on the amount of melanin in the hair, darker haired people will show stronger results to lighter haired people and to date - and certainly back in 2018 there was insufficient data points to know exactly what what elimination rates would be expected from different hair shades. Whole thing is further complicated by the fact that red heads actually have a different type of melanin (pheomelanin as opposed to the eumelanin that characterised brown or blond hair dependent on concentration) and since red heads are vanishingly rare in countries where Clen contamination is common literally no one has any idea whether Clen would have been expected to still show up in Canelos hair or not after that length of time. Shit
there wasn't even any standard protocol for Clen testing because it was still under development. Plus it's worth noting he'd had at least one haircut in between failing his urine tests and volunteering for the hair test, and like I say the tests under development were based on testing the hair strand, not the follicle.
Anyways, that ran on longer than I intended, but the upshot is no the hair test wasn't proof of anything, although it clearly isn't indicative of guilt either. So we still just don't know either way.
Worth noting that even now, 3 years later WADA are still saying they don't have a reliable test to discriminate between accidental ingestion and deliberate use,
You dont know what you are talking about. Their something called "half life" so as time goes on the substance in someone system gets cut in half and cut in half till it is no longer present in the person system.. get it "HALF LIFE". Okay now keep up cause its gets into more critical thinking now... Now the hair test can see months back of prior use if their was any however Canelo hair sample were clean so that means Canelo did not ingest any substances prior to the test. You dont get it still? read on... Now you look at the test themselves and look at the trace amounts that were detected and apply its half life to it and count backwards, so for the levels to be what they were on the day of the test(s) it means had Canelo had ingested clenbuterol with the intentions of cheating he would have had to take minimum X amount because X amount is the minimum effective dose of clenbuterol however that minimum effective dose half life timeframe would mean it will 100% have to show in the hair test but since it didnt it means their is no possible way Canelo ingested clenbuterol with the intention to cheat.
Wow? We have a dumb ass here who thinks he's smarter than he really is. I couldn't be more thrilled. It is always amusing. :lol1: Given that I can't beat you up physically, I have to settle for beating you up mentally. :lol1:
Okay pea brain, listen up:
Clenbuterol has a half life of up to 48 hours max. It could be as low as 32 hours, relative to a person's metabolism. Canelo Alvarez tested positive for trace levels of the banned substance clenbuterol on February 17th and on February 20th of that year. Alvarez submitted a hair follicle sample at the request of the Nevada State Athletic Commission on March 29th, and the result came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. Keeping in mind that Alvarez tested positive for the banned substance on February 17th and February 20th(whereby he was subsequently suspended by the commission), one month and 12 days had elapsed, which is 40 days.
With regard to how long a drug is biologically available within the body, 94 to 97 percent of a drug will have been eliminated after 4 to 5 half-lives. Therefore, it follows that after 4 to 5 half-lives, the plasma concentrations of a given drug will be below a clinically relevant concentration and thus will be considered to have been eliminated.
Clenbuterol's half-life would have been eliminated within, at the soonest, 192 hours, or to say it another way, in eight days. At that point, it would have no longer be retained within the body, as being biologically available. Most of the substance will have been eliminated via renal expulsion. Because many drugs have half-lives that are expelled relatively quickly, a different test had to be devised to be able to go back further in time, a test that would allow interested parties the ability to determine who is cheating or abusing drugs, knowing that with urine analysis the window to catch abusers is very small. This is where the hair-follicle test is utilized because drugs, regardless of their half-life, can be detected without being biologically available. It's like a fossil in tar, if you will, preserved for a greater length of time than are bones in the earth.
Hair growth rates vary; typically, head hair grows at an average of one-half inch per month. Therefore, a 1.5-inch hair sample detects drug use up to 90 days prior to testing, regardless of half-life. (It has nothing to do with half-life you moron.) What matters is that the hair sample is collected within those 90 days, before the individual can cut it. Because he tested positive on the 17th of February, we can determine that he had to have taken clenbuterol no sooner than February 9th. That means it will have been, at the most, 48 days since Canelo had taken clenbuterol. That is well within the 90-day range of detection. WELL WITHIN THE 90 DAYS OF DETECTION.
And with that, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to crush your puny brain :lol1: Now STFU.
Correction: Canelo was clean (once upon a time). I'm sick of hearing about the hair follicle test coming back negative. That should raise a red flag to everyone that there's a coverup. The origin of how the Clen could have gotten in Alvarez’s body cannot be determined from a test, it just can’t! My big question, if you want to prove your innocence, is why the secrecy on taking the test? Why take the test five weeks after you tested positive? Long-term use of Clen is actually bad for the body. A four-week cycle is the best thing for Clen. So when they say the tests showed no long-term use, it doesn’t matter because anybody that knows what they are doing with Clen will not use it over a long period of time. The biggest point here is this: The mainstream media reported that Clen would stay in the hair for six weeks or more and actually, to quote Mr. Rafael’s article, “The negative hair follicle test is notable because while clenbuterol is detectable in urine for less than a week after it is ingested, the drug can be detected in hair for several months.” If that was true, how could he test negative for Clen when he tested positive twice the month before the supposed hair follicle test?
Does that make sense to anyone?
I posted photos of his injection sites. You can't ignore that. Maybe you assume he just encountered a swarm of mosquitos that had an ab fetish? :lol1: I wonder what Clenelo thinks about all these fanboys in the world that want to spread his cheeks. It's remarkable the level of fanboying going on right now. :lol1:
You dont know what you are talking about. Their something called "half life" so as time goes on the substance in someone system gets cut in half and cut in half till it is no longer present in the person system.. get it "HALF LIFE". Okay now keep up cause its gets into more critical thinking now... Now the hair test can see months back of prior use if their was any however Canelo hair sample were clean so that means Canelo did not ingest any substances prior to the test. You dont get it still? read on... Now you look at the test themselves and look at the trace amounts that were detected and apply its half life to it and count backwards, so for the levels to be what they were on the day of the test(s) it means had Canelo had ingested clenbuterol with the intentions of cheating he would have had to take minimum X amount because X amount is the minimum effective dose of clenbuterol however that minimum effective dose half life timeframe would mean it will 100% have to show in the hair test but since it didnt it means their is no possible way Canelo ingested clenbuterol with the intention to cheat.
Canelo is natural. I am in the fitness industry and you know what EVERYONE whos not natty loves to try and claim anyone and everyone is not natty to make themselves feel better. Everyone does it, they cant even tell teh truth about the dosage of trt they are on. Canelo is clean he gave up hair samples and that only further proved he was clean.
Correction: Canelo was clean (once upon a time). I'm sick of hearing about the hair follicle test coming back negative. That should raise a red flag to everyone that there's a coverup. The origin of how the Clen could have gotten in Alvarez’s body cannot be determined from a test, it just can’t! My big question, if you want to prove your innocence, is why the secrecy on taking the test? Why take the test five weeks after you tested positive? Long-term use of Clen is actually bad for the body. A four-week cycle is the best thing for Clen. So when they say the tests showed no long-term use, it doesn’t matter because anybody that knows what they are doing with Clen will not use it over a long period of time. The biggest point here is this: The mainstream media reported that Clen would stay in the hair for six weeks or more and actually, to quote Mr. Rafael’s article, “The negative hair follicle test is notable because while clenbuterol is detectable in urine for less than a week after it is ingested, the drug can be detected in hair for several months.” If that was true, how could he test negative for Clen when he tested positive twice the month before the supposed hair follicle test?
Does that make sense to anyone?
I posted photos of his injection sites. You can't ignore that. Maybe you assume he just encountered a swarm of mosquitos that had an ab fetish? :lol1: I wonder what Clenelo thinks about all these fanboys in the world that want to spread his cheeks. It's remarkable the level of fanboying going on right now. :lol1:
Canelo is natural. I am in the fitness industry and you know what EVERYONE whos not natty loves to try and claim anyone and everyone is not natty to make themselves feel better. Everyone does it, they cant even tell teh truth about the dosage of trt they are on. Canelo is clean he gave up hair samples and that only further proved he was clean.
Canelo is in San Diego
Canelo can trip/fall and cross the Border
Canelo has been diesel for years like Shannon Briggs
Canelo was busted for PED use
Canelo was placed on scheduled (notice I didn't say random knock on his door testing in Mexico again) testing.
Canelo has PED abusers in his gym
Bodybuilders and athletes in SoCal cross the border in San Diego for their cheap gear
Canelo's gym in San Diego is right next to the Border
Canelo fanboys refuse to see the writing on the wall.
please gfy with that whyte accusation.
1) Whyte is not only Vada tested, he is also subject to Ukad's random testing policy and whereabouts policy. meaning as long as he has a british boxing license, he can be tested any day of the year any time they want. British fighters who also do vada testing are the ones who are truely testing by 2 different testing agencies. the fact is mexicans can cheat all day long thanks to wbc ruling allowing them to eat as much drug meat as possible.
boxers like an andy ruiz can go awol for 1.5 yrs from boxing and who knows what they do in that time? they dont get tested by usada/wada and vada is only voluntary...then they come back as killers. to me that is suspicious.
2) he mysteriously failed a ukad test with trace amounts of dianabol metabolites. Yet the news was leaked through tom hauser, an american guy on the al haymon payroll.
very suspicious, it means some insider leaked this news to hauser all the way in america. How does that happen? who was behind it? keep in mind here that ukad, unlike vada, are also subject to a privacy policy, meaning if you're under investigation, they can't legally leak information until it's proven/determined you're def a cheat. so who really leaked the news?
3) whyte passed all his vada tests. The bbboc and ukad allowed the fight to go through based on the vada results and began an investigation.
4) whyte sued ukad. Have a little think on this btw. Ukad eventually concluded that whyte was clean and it was 'an isolated CONTAMINATION EVENT' with zero information beyond that. i suspect the insiders like whyte know what really went down.
5) we know that as soon as the news was leaked, wbc stripped whyte of his mandatory spot and this paved the way for Fury-Wilder 2.
no different to the wilder-fury arbitration case, it seems like the powers that be have influence in every nook and cranny. espn were investing heavily in Fury, so a fight vs Whyte was not on their table. It makes sense they would do everything to get a Wilder fight. Even fury vs aj was not bigger than fury vs wilder in the US, for espn.
6) moving onto BJS. He was also subject to ukad and vada testing. HOWEVER, the MSAC adhere to WADA/USADA rules (and ukad is part of wada). Vada was purely voluntary and advisory in this situation, it had no sanctioning power over BJS and Andrade and nor was it a wbc fight.
The STIMULANT he took, oxilofrine is allowed out of competition ie 3 days before a fight.
Stimulants are allowed out of competition. Yet you come up with 'INFINITELY MORE POWERFUL' ****. come on man?
the simple truth is, victor conte, one of the sleaziest dirtiest people in sport who is associated with vada, influenced that one.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/...ion/stimulants
Furthermore, at that time, Vada actually also adhered to the 'in/out of competition rule' for stimulants. victor conte started making the argument around this. he was also basically defending clenelo and using bjs as a scapegoat.
The problem was, they moved the entire goalpost by claiming 'in competition' should not be 3 days before a fight.
what sort of corrupt bs is that?
i cant stand BJS btw, he is a ****, but im defending him on this, he did nothing wrong and was screwed by dirty american/mexican bias and corruption.
it was victor conte's exaggeration that got the dopey american msac (bunch of white men in suits who don't even know what boxing is btw) to just ban the fight.
BJS should have sued, problem was his third rate promoter frank warren used the opportunity to blame eddie hearn. eddie initially sided with bjs then decided 'yeh eff that, he isnt my fighter and they're accusing me'. mtk global also wanted to become the big thing in boxing, so they used the opp to target eddie hearn too.
he should def have sued the msac and the belt organisation. vada was only voluntary.
Great post.
To everyone who thinks this is photoshopped (even seeing UFO videos by BodyBugger), here’s the original by GoldenBoy Promotions. https://youtu.be/VAmw7VrFlgs
So I guess by your logic the Rodney King and George Floyd Videos were both faked too because they were caught on video as well. C'mon Larry! You are a lot brighter than this. You are either in denial or a very extremely partial and biased individual.with a narrative.
no,because now you can photoshop things on peoples bodies...not hard to understand man..and what is with the trend of coming at me with extreme black victim situations?? IM BLACK YES.... but damn.... how can you not understand that I can make a video,photoshop the footage and show it on the internet and all the sudden it becomes a fact?
(I remember how stupid that joe rogan video was when he made it,shows what a dumbsht Rogan is when it comes to boxing,dksab)
Anyone who looks at photos of fighters to prove supposed needle marks is a moron (pics that were photoshopped by same Canelo hating clowns that came up with glovegate bs at that)
Joe Rogans argument for claiming Canelo is on peds is " Duuur he moved up from ww to smw,duuur"(as if a literal prodigy whos always been stocky wouldn't move up divisions as he aged after starting pro boxing at age 15 ffs:dunce: )
What makes Canelo haters especially stupid is that he has LITERALLY been the most tested fighter over his entire career than any fighter in all of combat sports besides maybe Donaire & during all that time that he demanded vada
(yes demanded vada v pedcheat chavez jr when heroidia demanded non vada for Jr) all they have ever found is a single taco amount of a vitamin D like substance
(vitamin D is a steroid just like clen technically is,but in order to get effects from clen youd have to consume shttons of clen that'll stay in your system for ages in peds terms(which is why real cheats like Uzcategui/Big Gayby Miller/ Whyte/Bjs use substances that are infinitely more powerful & leave the body in hours,things like Dbol,EPO, Oxilofrine etc.)
Add to this a hair test that would show any ped use of any kind for several mos back.
please gfy with that whyte accusation.
1) Whyte is not only Vada tested, he is also subject to Ukad's random testing policy and whereabouts policy. meaning as long as he has a british boxing license, he can be tested any day of the year any time they want. British fighters who also do vada testing are the ones who are truely testing by 2 different testing agencies. the fact is mexicans can cheat all day long thanks to wbc ruling allowing them to eat as much drug meat as possible.
boxers like an andy ruiz can go awol for 1.5 yrs from boxing and who knows what they do in that time? they dont get tested by usada/wada and vada is only voluntary...then they come back as killers. to me that is suspicious.
2) he mysteriously failed a ukad test with trace amounts of dianabol metabolites. Yet the news was leaked through tom hauser, an american guy on the al haymon payroll.
very suspicious, it means some insider leaked this news to hauser all the way in america. How does that happen? who was behind it? keep in mind here that ukad, unlike vada, are also subject to a privacy policy, meaning if you're under investigation, they can't legally leak information until it's proven/determined you're def a cheat. so who really leaked the news?
3) whyte passed all his vada tests. The bbboc and ukad allowed the fight to go through based on the vada results and began an investigation.
4) whyte sued ukad. Have a little think on this btw. Ukad eventually concluded that whyte was clean and it was 'an isolated CONTAMINATION EVENT' with zero information beyond that. i suspect the insiders like whyte know what really went down.
5) we know that as soon as the news was leaked, wbc stripped whyte of his mandatory spot and this paved the way for Fury-Wilder 2.
no different to the wilder-fury arbitration case, it seems like the powers that be have influence in every nook and cranny. espn were investing heavily in Fury, so a fight vs Whyte was not on their table. It makes sense they would do everything to get a Wilder fight. Even fury vs aj was not bigger than fury vs wilder in the US, for espn.
6) moving onto BJS. He was also subject to ukad and vada testing. HOWEVER, the MSAC adhere to WADA/USADA rules (and ukad is part of wada). Vada was purely voluntary and advisory in this situation, it had no sanctioning power over BJS and Andrade and nor was it a wbc fight.
The STIMULANT he took, oxilofrine is allowed out of competition ie 3 days before a fight.
Stimulants are allowed out of competition. Yet you come up with 'INFINITELY MORE POWERFUL' shit. come on man?
the simple truth is, victor conte, one of the sleaziest dirtiest people in sport who is associated with vada, influenced that one.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/what-is-prohibited/prohibited-in-competition/stimulants
Furthermore, at that time, Vada actually also adhered to the 'in/out of competition rule' for stimulants. victor conte started making the argument around this. he was also basically defending clenelo and using bjs as a scapegoat.
The problem was, they moved the entire goalpost by claiming 'in competition' should not be 3 days before a fight.
what sort of corrupt bs is that?
i cant stand BJS btw, he is a ****, but im defending him on this, he did nothing wrong and was screwed by dirty american/mexican bias and corruption.
it was victor conte's exaggeration that got the dopey american msac (bunch of white men in suits who don't even know what boxing is btw) to just ban the fight.
BJS should have sued, problem was his third rate promoter frank warren used the opportunity to blame eddie hearn. eddie initially sided with bjs then decided 'yeh eff that, he isnt my fighter and they're accusing me'. mtk global also wanted to become the big thing in boxing, so they used the opp to target eddie hearn too.
he should def have sued the msac and the belt organisation. vada was only voluntary.
thing is you can manipulate and fake anything online and people will take it as the truth if it fits their narrative...."Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see" AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE INTERNET...
Is it true??? Could very well be...but a video wont make me decide So I guess by your logic the Rodney King and George Floyd Videos were both faked too because they were caught on video as well. C'mon Larry! You are a lot brighter than this. You are either in denial or a very extremely partial and biased individual.with a narrative.