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Interesting move by Oscar and Co. to make this Tetrault fellow an equity partner in Golden Boy Promotions. The Golden Boy along w/t Bhop and Eric Gomez must have a great deal of faith that Tetrault could get them a nice TV deal to give him a part of the company. Anyhow, don’t see Golden Boy Promotions sticking with DAZN after the whole Canelo fiasco.
Paul left b/c Showtime gave him guarantee money something Thriller didn’t do. Also, Thriller CEO Kavanaugh already showed proof Tyson was paid his purse same w/t Jones. Don’t blame Thriller for both Tyson/Jones teams stealing from their fighters . If you gonna make accusations at least be accurate with them, LOL.
Also the Jake Paul fight did great b/c of the promotion along with the music acts Thriller put together. I mean dude isn’t even the best known Paul brother yet did over a million buys, give Thriller its due not one fighter today are doing anywhere near a million buys now and days. As far a Teofimo is concern last I remember it was Teo who is preventing the fight from happening b/c he don’t want to travel to Australia so that’s on him not Thriller.
I didn't blame triller for every big fighter they have had leaving, suing or saying they will never work with them again, I'm just saying I find it hard to see it as a positive for Triller.
Bit ironic to then talk about inaccurate accusations, what accusation did I even make?
He should go to Showtime. He has a lot of young talent that needs some television exposure and awareness that they otherwise, wouldn't get anywhere else on an online streaming application.
Jaime Mungia, Ryan Garcia and Vergel Ortiz all need mainstream and crossover exposure among casual fans. Their talent is being buried underground on the world wide web.
Outside of boxing fans, hardly anyone has ever heard or even notice them.
The bold: I don't see these guys really amounting to anything, especially the Munguia guy. For the future of GBP, maybe they should invest more in William Zepeda and hype the hell out of him. Everyone was glued to the screen in his last week. The action had no breaks. Don't waste that momentum. Fight him in September again. I'd pick him to beat both Ryan and JoJo. Make those fights. Start talking about his next fight NOW.
He already has one huge fan on here (Me).
Tyson, RJJ and Jake Paul have all either left Triller, swore to never work with them or are currently suing them, and you take this as evidence they are doing something right?
IMO Tyson & Paul did well despite Triller not because of it. Lets see how it works out for Teo, if it ever happens. My feeling is that Triller's involvement in boxing is close to done.
Also people blaming dazn and Hearn for Oscar and Canelo's split, looks to me like Oscar did that all on his own.
Paul left b/c Showtime gave him guarantee money something Thriller didn’t do. Also, Thriller CEO Kavanaugh already showed proof Tyson was paid his purse same w/t Jones. Don’t blame Thriller for both Tyson/Jones teams stealing from their fighters . If you gonna make accusations at least be accurate with them, LOL.
Also the Jake Paul fight did great b/c of the promotion along with the music acts Thriller put together. I mean dude isn’t even the best known Paul brother yet did over a million buys, give Thriller its due not one fighter today are doing anywhere near a million buys now and days. As far a Teofimo is concern last I remember it was Teo who is preventing the fight from happening b/c he don’t want to travel to Australia so that’s on him not Thriller.
No BS, but Thriller might be the best platform for Ryan Garcia. Considering the $1 million plus buys social media star Jake Paul did against a faded UFC fighter is a hopeful sign for boxing’s biggest media star in Kingry. Like it or not… Thriller is doing something right, otherwise Showtime wouldn’t of stolen Paul and signed him to an exclusive deal for his next fight. Ryan’s brand can definitely grow in the Thriller platform, add to the fact the kid already sign to Gatorade and hawking 1800 Tequila kid can definitely be the next face of boxing w/t careful matchmaking of course.
Tyson, RJJ and Jake Paul have all either left Triller, swore to never work with them or are currently suing them, and you take this as evidence they are doing something right?
IMO Tyson & Paul did well despite Triller not because of it. Lets see how it works out for Teo, if it ever happens. My feeling is that Triller's involvement in boxing is close to done.
Also people blaming dazn and Hearn for Oscar and Canelo's split, looks to me like Oscar did that all on his own.
No BS, but Thriller might be the best platform for Ryan Garcia. Considering the $1 million plus buys social media star Jake Paul did against a faded UFC fighter is a hopeful sign for boxing’s biggest media star in Kingry. Like it or not… Thriller is doing something right, otherwise Showtime wouldn’t of stolen Paul and signed him to an exclusive deal for his next fight. Ryan’s brand can definitely grow in the Thriller platform, add to the fact the kid already sign to Gatorade and hawking 1800 Tequila kid can definitely be the next face of boxing w/t careful matchmaking of course.
He should go to Showtime. He has a lot of young talent that needs some television exposure and awareness that they otherwise, wouldn't get anywhere else on an online streaming application.
Jaime Mungia, Ryan Garcia and Vergel Ortiz all need mainstream and crossover exposure among casual fans. Their talent is being buried underground on the world wide web.
Outside of boxing fans, hardly anyone has ever heard or even notice them.
Golden Boy consistently puts on the most entertaining cards top to bottom in the US.
For that alone I hope they can find a profitable deal and a new home.
GBP ain’t going to Triller.
This is just gossip so that DAZN gives GBP the BEST deal for its current pool given the circumstances. DAZN can’t hold GBP’s fighters at fault. Besides they have Canelo.
I would only consider Triller is GBP makes it EXCLUSIVELY to have Lampley call their fights not rap stars. It is just wrong with Snoop Dog involved. Sounds like an event being mocked by some stoned ghetto thug, and on top of that, Oscar is high too on that platform. Their whole company would crumble.
I think Tetreault would be the guy to knock sense into GBP to continue on DAZN and focus on better days. Tetreault gets a piece of everything so it would only be smart to stick with the platform that continues to grow. Triller and it’s low priced PBC PPV’s will still suffer from piracy
I don't know if I want to see Triller either and I thought the same thing about Lampley - if GBP goes there it has to be a serious production most of the time. Not all the time though...
Golden Boy has tried some different kind of events here in LA - some might remember when they did fights at The Mayan here in LA and it was like half club/half boxing and music would be playing during the fights...parts of the venue standing room only. That guy Tattoo was the MC giving away free sHT in between rounds. I think they were only streamed on Facebook though...but anyway, they aren't afraid to try different stuff to engage the live crowd and not have them sitting through 30 mins of just the resident DJ while a TV promo or commercials are playing.....they have a way of keeping cards relevant to the locals, they keep the So Cal boxing scene alive for the past years...always engaging people if you sign up for their updates. If Triller keeps it classy for the real cards and then does experimental stuff here and there maybe it can work...they haven't had a live crowd yet. For a live crowd who knows what they will get with a Triller card, I think they will probably have fun.
Maybe GBP says, look we dont always want these rap/R&b artists - look at Canelo's entrance for Saunders, that was pretty cool...it took forever, unnecessary, but still a spectacle. They can have some popular singers/bands instead of the rappers.
DAZN has had some growing pains and still hasn't found its groove but I like the approach and OTT aspect, it's coming along. I hope it works out, definitely rooting for GBP because they always have the LA fighters!
GBP Last 2 Cards (Munugia vs Szermete Card and recent Diaz vs Fortuna Card) been Excellent with Vergil Ortiz vs Mean Machine coming up next which is a excellent Main Event and hopefully they try to stack that card as well. So credit to Eric Gomez, Oscar, Roberto Diaz, Javier Razo and all at GBP... just when it looked like GBP was dead after losing Canelo, they're really stepping things up even more now
I agree with this. The small FNF type cards they make usually are entertaining as well.
Roberto Diaz is as good as it gets in terms of matchmaking. GBP cards are usually always entertaining with a bunch of competitive fights.
how is that not a trash staple though? networks aren't clamoring for boxers to fill up their undercards in 2021. that's a bunch of undercard fighters on a major ppv, and maybe ryan garcia after one or even several more years of building him. and even then you need a dance partner from another stable. showtime is on its way out, abc / espn doesn't want much to do with boxing aside from massive cards. hbo has been out for years. those fighters all need the networks to give them a push and make them into stars or even decent draws, if that's even possible. i mean jo jo diaz. zurdo ramirez? jaime mungia? you reallyt think these guys have it in them to be stars or to do enough in the ring that casual fans cannot ignore them and must watch their fights? cmon dog. what they have is a decent share of the mexican / mexican american talent pool, but they are not being leveraged to get anything done outside of the shrinking boxing sphere, which is in the midst of a huge exodus of money and infrastructure now that the networks are jumping ship. the successful boxing enterprises in the future will be those who distribute their product on their own, like dazn, and it makes for a much more complicated venture and cuts out a middleman who can take up much of the slack on the distribution side. does GBP have what it takes to make and launch an app on their own. hell no. they'd need to partner with a network. therein lies the problem.
SHO is on its way out according to who?
ESPN doesn't want to do much with boxing aside from massive cards? Have you seen some of the cards they put on?
Ryan Garcia can potentially be one of the biggest stars in boxing.
Vergil Ortiz Jr in his FIRST headline card drew a very solid gate and fights in a glamour division. Why can't he be a star?
Why would GBP need to launch an app of their own?
And again, they would have a bigger and better stable if they had a bigger budget. They are getting less than 2M per show on average, what do you expect? But either way, it is not a trash stable as you made it seem to be.
IMO whoever gives GBP the most money and dates is where they go. But I think it's very unlikely they stay with DAZN too much bad blood with how they refused to honor the Canelo contract. There was also the deal GBP struck with DAZN right before the pandemic to air bimonthly local fight series. DAZN didn't honor that. They also didn't honor the MLB whiparound show or Bellator's contract. DAZN closed their US offices and laid off everybody from those offices and rebranded DAZN_USA to DAZN_Boxing. DAZN seems to be transitioning to more global content and giving up on DAZN USA region. Before the pandemic there were talks of DAZN being a player for other major American Sports rights and they had much more content to try and drive US subscriptions, that doesn't seem to be a priority anymore. Even Matchroom USA seems to be letting American fighters go and focusing on UK and global events. GBP needs more dates for their roster then 1 card a month which is what DAZN is giving them today. GBP would be smart to move to a outlet that can provide 1 big weekend card a month, 2 weekday local fight cards a month, and maybe a 1 PPV level event every 3 months. That's what they had before DAZN and what was promised to them by DAZN before the pandemic.
People keep repeating they have a trash stable but the stable consists of:
Ryan Garcia
Vergil Ortiz Jr
Rashidi Ellis
Jaime Munguia
Joshua Franco
William Zepeda
Jojo Diaz
Zurdo Ramirez
Rincon Brothers
That is far from a trash stable. They just don't have the depth at the current moment but that's also because they don't have the budget other top promotional companies have. Give them a bigger budget and then they will be able to build on their stable.
how is that not a trash staple though? networks aren't clamoring for boxers to fill up their undercards in 2021. that's a bunch of undercard fighters on a major ppv, and maybe ryan garcia after one or even several more years of building him. and even then you need a dance partner from another stable. showtime is on its way out, abc / espn doesn't want much to do with boxing aside from massive cards. hbo has been out for years. those fighters all need the networks to give them a push and make them into stars or even decent draws, if that's even possible. i mean jo jo diaz. zurdo ramirez? jaime mungia? you reallyt think these guys have it in them to be stars or to do enough in the ring that casual fans cannot ignore them and must watch their fights? cmon dog. what they have is a decent share of the mexican / mexican american talent pool, but they are not being leveraged to get anything done outside of the shrinking boxing sphere, which is in the midst of a huge exodus of money and infrastructure now that the networks are jumping ship. the successful boxing enterprises in the future will be those who distribute their product on their own, like dazn, and it makes for a much more complicated venture and cuts out a middleman who can take up much of the slack on the distribution side. does GBP have what it takes to make and launch an app on their own. hell no. they'd need to partner with a network. therein lies the problem.
People keep repeating they have a trash stable but the stable consists of:
Ryan Garcia
Vergil Ortiz Jr
Rashidi Ellis
Jaime Munguia
Joshua Franco
William Zepeda
Jojo Diaz
Zurdo Ramirez
Rincon Brothers
That is far from a trash stable. They just don't have the depth at the current moment but that's also because they don't have the budget other top promotional companies have. Give them a bigger budget and then they will be able to build on their stable.
I agree with this. The small FNF type cards they make usually are entertaining as well.
This is why I’m thinking espn makes a huge bid. I don’t know if coke dela fishnets wants to go to showtime knowing Floyd is their top promoter. You know how jealous he is of him.
but money talks.
He’s going to play second fiddle wherever he lands unless it’s Triller.
they've got a pretty trash stable, let's be real. oscar's the cash cow there. if he can get an exhibition with shane, floyd, connor, any of those guys he will make bank.
garcia is marketable but he's not being marketed. times really have changed.
People keep repeating they have a trash stable but the stable consists of:
Ryan Garcia
Vergil Ortiz Jr
Rashidi Ellis
Jaime Munguia
Joshua Franco
William Zepeda
Jojo Diaz
Zurdo Ramirez
Rincon Brothers
That is far from a trash stable. They just don't have the depth at the current moment but that's also because they don't have the budget other top promotional companies have. Give them a bigger budget and then they will be able to build on their stable.
they've got a pretty trash stable, let's be real. oscar's the cash cow there. if he can get an exhibition with shane, floyd, connor, any of those guys he will make bank.
garcia is marketable but he's not being marketed. times really have changed.
I assumed he would move his stable to thriller, but seeing how awful thriller has been so far, teofimo card twice postponed, awful card that is headlined by hunter, no real stuff beyond, 30 dollar subscription service (wow), losing jake paul. it's hard to see them succeed.
this years card also have been pretty good by golden boy. Normally when promoters are close to being finished with a contract, they usually put out low budget garbage.
I agree,if Oscar takes his stable to that shit show to spite Hearn/Dazn, you can pretty much stick a fork in GB. DAZN is proving to be a successful app providing great content at bargain prices and can only see it getting better and better. There's always going to be snakes in the grass...Haymon/Shaefer,Hearn etc. You just gotta pick up the pieces,ask what you could've done better and correct your mistakes. Hopefully David can see the forest for the trees and realize Triller is more than likely just a flash in the pan circus show as its past content/productions has suggested.