say what you want about wilder...

OK and if everything wilder said is true fury cheated ,the vest did affect him and his trainer sabotaged him is that still an excuse Let me put it this way ... if AJ had come out with crazy shit like that and fired Rob McCracken after losing to Ruiz he would have lost me as a fan for sure.

No, that was just a rumour, which AJ denied. He did say he had some "health issue" that left him feeling drained before the first Ruiz fight, but he never used it as an excuse for losing and didn't even mention it till after he'd won the rematch. Boxers are human beings, not machines. They get ill sometimes, same as anybody else, or injure themselves training. Talking about stuff like that in interviews after the fact is not making excuses. If a boxer said he never got ill, never caught a cold or flu, never got injured, never felt tired no matter how hard he trained, people would shake their heads and call him a bull****ter, and they would be correct! OK and if everything wilder said is true fury cheated ,the vest did affect him and his trainer sabotaged him is that still an excuse

Pretty sure joshua said he was concussed prior to the fight True or not it's an excuse No, that was just a rumour, which AJ denied. He did say he had some "health issue" that left him feeling drained before the first Ruiz fight, but he never used it as an excuse for losing and didn't even mention it till after he'd won the rematch. Boxers are human beings, not machines. They get ill sometimes, same as anybody else, or injure themselves training. Talking about stuff like that in interviews after the fact is not making excuses. If a boxer said he never got ill, never caught a cold or flu, never got injured, never felt tired no matter how hard he trained, people would shake their heads and call him a bullshitter, and they would be correct!

Say what you want about Anthony Joshua, but after he lost to the tubby 25-1 underdog with short arms and slow feet he didn't make excuses, didn't throw his trainer under the bus, didn't accuse his opponent of cheating or talk about a racist conspiracy against black fighters. AJ took his defeat like a man, sucked up all the criticism and mockery, went away and trained like a trojan before coming back and regaining his titles. If Wilder loses to Fury again, but shows the same sportsmanship and dignity in defeat as AJ, he will regain a lot of the respect he lost because of his reprehensible behaviour after the last fight. Pretty sure joshua said he was concussed prior to the fight True or not it's an excuse

johann didnt hit the canvas correct...i should have said "stopped or hit the canvas"...

Right. And you must be a female. Because when a man doesn't do what a female asks, she starts calling him names and questions his manhood. Again, you didn't answer my questions either. Perhaps it was you that Fury kissed? If so, come out like the Raiders DT just did and people will cheer you. Otherwise, debate like a man. The end ...........

i love the term "dosser"..its great...wilder may get beat up again..he may get retired..you never know...thats what makes sports fun....wilder is fun and good for the sport...so is fury.... fury is an entertaining character and a good boxer....wilder is a highlight reel KO machine....they make for fun...learn to appreciate wilder....every guy hes ever fought has hit the canvas....thats something....even if hes unconventional and awkward and alot of the guys he fought arent good......when golovkin did it the klansmen gushed over it.... johann didnt hit the canvas

Right. But has either of them fought anyone else within the top 15 right now? Has either of them really tried to unify? Has Fury actually defended a belt? Or did they fight each other instead of doing all of the above? Yes they've fought each other, but they have also both fought a number of bums, has beens and gatekeepers. That does not make you the best I mean the problem here is, and its not really a particularly strong point, but who is in the top 15 of the heavyweight division??? I mean you have guys like Parker sneaking a controversial win against Chisora recently, who Fury bested emphatically 6/7 fucking years ago. You also have guys like Ruiz struggling against guys like Arreola. The problem you're talking about Joshua opposition as anything resembling definitive top contenders. The others I didnt mention were Takam, Whyte and Povetkin. Neither of those three have gone on to do anything significant. I'm just not convinced any of them have really stood out in the quality of their opponents.

Thank you. If someone who is ignorant, thinks I am stupid...then you do the math. You are upset,saying that I am not answering your questions. Yet you won't answer mine. The irony here is what is embarrassing ? I asked you a few times, a simple question. It's obvious you're an AJ fan boy, you're just not man enough to admit it here, and it exposes you. Leave the critiques to the non fanboys; we don't need emotional childish comments from fanboys about their favorite fighter's rivals. Now get out of my mentions you AJ fanboy who isn't even man enough to just admit he is a fan of a guy. Lol, pathetic!!!

Let me ask you a question. If Fury has kissed men in the ring, multiple times, does that make him gay? Man you're embarrassing lol

Actually...yeah it kinda was. Considering the hometown cooking... I am talking about his star power. What are you talking about?

Again, say what you'd like. I am a fan of boxing. And I am a fan of boxers who actually want to prove they are the best. Neither Wilder nor Fury want to. So that is why I could never support either of them. If you choose to do so, then so be it. But just know that Fury will get exposed just like Wilder did. And then what will your argument be? Let me ask you directly, again - are you a fan of AJ?

"Brittard" speaking here. As someone who followed the heavyweights when America basically wrote it off, I was excited when Wilder turned pro feeling he was exactly what the division needed. His obscure career path made him almost impossible to follow and when he finally emerged on the world scene, his own manager told us he was still a prospect and matched him accordingly. On the other hand, I was wary of Joshua and the hype train since I thought the Italian edited him out in the final ( ( didn't catch the fight against the Cuban). Ultimately, Joshua has fought the better opposition and, to my eye at least, displays more ability. Bear in mind that America led the sport for decades and as such set the standards by which Wilder is being judged. If he were British I've no doubt Americans would be tearing him apart. It took long enough for Lennox Lewis to any credit.

I see a bunch of his "fans" complain when he makes a speech during a BLM protest. People trying to deny sweet caroliners aren't a bunch of anti-black tossers just irks the **** out of me. I don't think somebody would be a fan of a black guy if they were anti-black.

Yet they have....actually fought each other... 3 times no less.... They will have fought 3 times on July 24th. Always amusing when I see this touted as an example of Wilder chasing the big fights. People getting excited over the Fury fights are ignoring the reality of how those fights came into being. Wilder cherry picked an obese, out of form Fury to try and add some lustre to his Can filled CV, with a view to improving his negotiating position for a unification fight. For Fury this was a no brainer, a shortcut back to title challenge as the promoters worked their magic and gave him an artificial rating, to mask the fact that he'd beaten no-one other than Seferi and Pianeta in years. After the debacle in LA and being rescued by Haymon friendly officiating delivering an unlikely draw, Wilder found his reputation amongst serious boxing fans severely diminished, to the point that he offered the second fight to Fury as a way of redeeming a bad situation. Of course the clause was inserted as a condition for the fight taking place, which is the reason fight 3 is now happening. So there was only really the cherry pick gone wrong and the, fatally flawed, belief that a couple of tweaks were all Wilder needed to get a decisive win in the rematch. The second being the only time one could argue Wilder had deliberately sought out a top 5 fighter in their prime and even then it was only because otherwise no-one would take him seriously.

So AJ was the bigger star from the jump? AJ was Olympic champ it wasn't just because he was Brit. So Wilder was stalling when has asking for 50/50? Actually...yeah it kinda was. Considering the hometown cooking...

Again, say what you'd like. I am a fan of boxing. And I am a fan of boxers who actually want to prove they are the best. Neither Wilder nor Fury want to. So that is why I could never support either of them. If you choose to do so, then so be it. But just know that Fury will get exposed just like Wilder did. And then what will your argument be? Yet they have....actually fought each other... 3 times no less....

How have you come to this conclusion? I see a bunch of his "fans" complain when he makes a speech during a BLM protest. People trying to deny sweet caroliners aren't a bunch of anti-black tossers just irks the fuck out of me.

was wilder trying to cash out when AJ was on camera saying "show me 50 million" and team wilder showed him 50 mil and he said "i wont sell my soul for 50 million" was that wilder cashing out? lol wilder isnt "cashing out"...hes made a ton of money fighting ortiz again, breazeale and fury....there is no cash out here....its the fight he has to take....if he was trying to cash out hed be asking for step aside money to let AJ and fury fight...its the furthest thing from a cash out but i wouldnt expect anything less from low iq tards like yourself....lol@calling this fight a cash out ...it truly shows had low you will go.....holy crap you guys are unreal your severe lack of critical thinking combined with a severe lack of knowing the facts make your posts utter nonsense. joshua parlayed that 50 million dollar offer into hundreds of millions by signing with dazn, or in simpler turns he used that offer to make himself more money. "This is about a platform that have offered considerably more money than anyone else" -joshuas promoter when joshua signed with dazn. who offered wilder more money? who! oh ya no one! wilder parlayed joshuas offer into less money! but after signing with dazn joshua went back and offered wilder even more money for the fight but of course you ignore that part because you have to since it sinks your entire argument. the amazing thing is wilder had the chance to do the exact thing joshua did but instead he tripped over his own feet and fell on his face. they tried to give him more money for the fight he said he wanted and he turned it down. you cant defend that. what major deals that led to 100 million did he sign after rejecting joshua? i can show you the major deal josha signed right after wilders offer. oh well. wilder got played but why are you defending the guy who made the dumb decision?

It is a direct answer. Take what you want from it. So you're an AJ fanboy, got it. Thanks.