Josh Taylor robbed of a stoppage win by Kenny Bayless' long counts

Exactly! And to that I would add, why wasn’t Taylor able to finish him? Either Ramirez wasn’t that hurt, or Taylor is a terrible finisher. If anything Ramirez should be praised for having the balls to get up and win most of the subsequent rounds. Right If he were almost dead, then Taylor couldn't capitalize on ending a dead man walking :lol1: !!!! How can so called fight fans be so......wrong ?

I still don't get the long count stuff. Dude was on his feet well within 10. If he were nearly unconscious, he wouldn't have gotten up at all. Too much exaggerating going on. Exactly! And to that I would add, why wasn’t Taylor able to finish him? Either Ramirez wasn’t that hurt, or Taylor is a terrible finisher. If anything Ramirez should be praised for having the balls to get up and win most of the subsequent rounds.

I still don't get the long count stuff. Dude was on his feet well within 10. If he were nearly unconscious, he wouldn't have gotten up at all. Too much exaggerating going on.

Ridiculous, clear cheating by the American referee. Josh Taylor clearly robbed of a decisive, stoppage win in the fight last night. Taylor showed himself to be a class above Jose Ramirez, and anywhere else in the world the fight would have ended early. Anybody crying about Ramirez winning, or Josh not being a clear winner, are simply deluded. Ramirez got that Mayweather treatment.

Score shoulda been closer to 116-110, wasn’t that close. I had it 116-110 myself.

Lol WTF? That second KD, there were 22 seconds between Ramirez landing on his back, and Bayless calling continue. You excused 4 seconds in your post, so what about the other extra 8? I had Taylor winning, and was rooting for him when he got the KD's (I would have been equally happy with Ramirez winning). But you can't tell me that you see nothing Taylor could have changed in the aftermath of KD a fighter. I still stand by my first comment that Bayless actually was lenient in this fight. If the fight had a younger ref who is trying to insert himself into the fight to make a name for himself, there were several things not done by Bayless that some other new ref would have done.

You're right, I stand corrected for the first kd. But look at the second KD. You can not tell me you don't see Taylor standing next to Bayless there, interrupting his own KD for 4 seconds. That same video you showed, look at Taylor, instead of backing up to the neutral corner, he steps forward to a Ramirez who was already down. He then spooks Bayless by breathing on top of him. Look at Bayless' reaction when he counted 8 and then Taylor was right there. Just saying, Taylor distracted Bayless, ruining his own count. Lol WTF? That second KD, there were 22 seconds between Ramirez landing on his back, and Bayless calling continue. You excused 4 seconds in your post, so what about the other extra 8?

Ridiculous, clear cheating by the American referee. Josh Taylor clearly robbed of a decisive, stoppage win in the fight last night. Taylor showed himself to be a class above Jose Ramirez, and anywhere else in the world the fight would have ended early. Anybody crying about Ramirez winning, or Josh not being a clear winner, are simply deluded. This is true, I didn't count, but for as much as I like and appreciate Ramirez, I found myself yelling at the ref after both knockdowns because of all the extra time he gave Ramirez to recover. I think Taylor would have forced a stoppage after the second knock down. Additionally, I think having the fight 6 rounds a piece was too close. Taylor needs to be commended for winning such a tough fight on the road cleanly and clearly.

Yeah. Don't know why they keep hiring that ref as if he's some genius at refereeing or something. I just don't like referees interfering too much, in general. You can always tell with their body language like they're always aiming to physically separate the fighters. Why not just yell break and let them break themselves. Inside fighting is never possible with these types of stupid refs.

What? Taylor went straight to the neutral corner after the first KD, Taylor didn't walk over until Bayless had finished his count for the second. The ref supposed to pick up the count from ringside after the fighter goes to the neutral corner. It doesn't only start when a fighter reaches the neutral corner. 23:40 and 30:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRyUHbHJ_s You're right, I stand corrected for the first kd. But look at the second KD. You can not tell me you don't see Taylor standing next to Bayless there, interrupting his own KD for 4 seconds. That same video you showed, look at Taylor, instead of backing up to the neutral corner, he steps forward to a Ramirez who was already down. He then spooks Bayless by breathing on top of him. Look at Bayless' reaction when he counted 8 and then Taylor was right there. Just saying, Taylor distracted Bayless, ruining his own count.

yep, even those scorecards were a joke. if he didn't almost knock ramirez unconscious twice and put him on his back, they would have robbed him.

After the first knockdown, Bayless was already done counting and was doing the 'come to me' test for Ramirez then 'forgot' (an almost 30 year veteran ref) to wipe the gloves off as Taylor dropped his guard and basically rolled his eyes. For the second knockdown, the mandatory 8 count was already given and Jose was up on his feet well before that and Taylor again only came in while Bayless performed the wellness test, waited patiently and was pushed back and let box again. While I recall you being an objective, logical poster, I still disagree since your quote of the rules would only come into play if Bayless hadn't started/was still counting. Also, I posted this after rewatching both knockdowns a couple of times since I was rooting for Taylor and the adrenaline at the time could have skewed my perception, but trying not to be biased, that's how it seemed to unfold to my eyes. I understand your frustration with the glove wiping, that was weird. But you should rewatch those knock downs. This isn’t about Bayless wiping gloves, it’s about Taylor putting his own possible KO in Jeopardy by not going to his neutral corner during the KD’s and instead choosing to breathe on top of Bayless. I was not screaming at the tv because I was rooting for Ramirez. I was screaming at Taylor because I wanted him to get the KO to spite some posters who were talking crap about his skills and ability. Giving an unfair assessment of him. So yeah, no bias here either. I actually wanted Taylor to get the KO there (but had no dog in the fight). Doesn’t matter though, he didn’t mess up the counts thanks to Bayless’ temporary incompetence.

Long count ?!?!? If anything, he let the fight continue after dude was slow to respond to instructions.

On the first KD? Really? I was just watching it but I am pretty lit right now... It looked like he tried to wipe them off, then missed, or was caught up in all the action, then deliberately made a point to wipe them properly as Taylor dropped his hands and made a kind of "are you kidding me?" gesture. The more I watch the more it seems like Bayless missed or was distracted for the first glove wipe attempt since Taylor was breathing down his neck and he was trying to deal with that. Giving a bit of credence to what Kev posted but not entirely? Yes, Taylor definitely advanced and probably didn't do himself any favours but Bayless has 20+ years of experience....how does he miss wiping the gloves and how does the initial 8 count rquire almost another 10 seconds before the fight gets underway. He is dodgy as hell lol

He wiped Ramirez's gloves TWICE. Kenny still the baddest ref in the game lol On the first KD? Really? I was just watching it but I am pretty lit right now... It looked like he tried to wipe them off, then missed, or was caught up in all the action, then deliberately made a point to wipe them properly as Taylor dropped his hands and made a kind of "are you kidding me?" gesture. The more I watch the more it seems like Bayless missed or was distracted for the first glove wipe attempt since Taylor was breathing down his neck and he was trying to deal with that. Giving a bit of credence to what Kev posted but not entirely?

After the first knockdown, Bayless was already done counting and was doing the 'come to me' test for Ramirez then 'forgot' (an almost 30 year veteran ref) to wipe the gloves off as Taylor dropped his guard and basically rolled his eyes. For the second knockdown, the mandatory 8 count was already given and Jose was up on his feet well before that and Taylor again only came in while Bayless performed the wellness test, waited patiently and was pushed back and let box again. While I recall you being an objective, logical poster, I still disagree since your quote of the rules would only come into play if Bayless hadn't started/was still counting. He wiped Ramirez's gloves TWICE. Kenny still the baddest ref in the game lol

That first KD was a joke...Bayless reaches a count of 8 and has Ramirez wipe his gloves TWO TIMES...the hell?? As I said after the joke of a fight that was Ward v Kovalev, big time events should never take place in the US again.

Actually Bayless messed up on both counts. What he did, or should I say didn’t do, benefitted Taylor more than Ramirez. I had no dog in this fight, I like both fighters. But I was screaming at the tv when Taylor was breathing on Bayless after both kd’s. The second kd, he got so close to Bayless, even my clueless-about-boxing wife even pointed out and asked if Taylor can do that. Taylor, being dumb or full of adrenaline, or both, decided to not go to the neutral corner in both kd’s. A ref isn’t supposed to count if the fighter is not in a neutral corner. Bayless did not catch this immediately. In the second one, he caught Taylor standing right behind him ready to go after Ramirez and stopped counting, per pro boxing rules, and told Taylor to back off. So yeah, Taylor actually benefitted from Bayless not seeing him not go to the neutral corner. ”(6) When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall direct the opponent to move to the farthest neutral corner of the ring. If the opponent leaves the neutral corner, the referee shall interrupt the count and will not resume the count until the opponent returns to the neutral corner.” Bayless actually let Taylor slide both times. After the first knockdown, Bayless was already done counting and was doing the 'come to me' test for Ramirez then 'forgot' (an almost 30 year veteran ref) to wipe the gloves off as Taylor dropped his guard and basically rolled his eyes. For the second knockdown, the mandatory 8 count was already given and Jose was up on his feet well before that and Taylor again only came in while Bayless performed the wellness test, waited patiently and was pushed back and let box again. While I recall you being an objective, logical poster, I still disagree since your quote of the rules would only come into play if Bayless hadn't started/was still counting. Also, I posted this after rewatching both knockdowns a couple of times since I was rooting for Taylor and the adrenaline at the time could have skewed my perception, but trying not to be biased, that's how it seemed to unfold to my eyes.

Kenny Bayless is clearly a corrupt referee. It can't all be down to incompetence. The posters on here who try to deny the obvious, are they mentally challenged or what? Do they have an agenda? Deluded? Bias? It is crazy to want to defend clear corruption, but yet they are here doing it... and it can't really be incompetence alone, when it happens over and over, in key moments of fights, oftentimes affecting the outcome of fights.

glad josh taylor won, bayless is 100% corrupt was the mayweather hometown referee and saved him in the maidana fight too and countless other fights fvck boxing, it's still so corrupt judging system needs to be completely changed but i dont know how.