Anybody want to take a non bias stab at this?
Where do u rank Floyd in the all time list?
For me I’d place him numero uno.
I got Manny in top 10 as well.
Boxrec you stupid fcuk. I'm done. You're a hater until the end. Fcuk out of here wasting peopels time you no pu$$y getting ret@rd. Bye!
why? tired of backing up your unproven claims? next time don't invent things that doesn't really exist so you don't get tired. ok?
118-110 by a 38 year old man at the end of his career with brittle hands. Looks like an a$$ whoppin to me.
So what if there was clinches, Manny got dominated by an old guy with a basic plan everyone saw coming a mile away.
Manny cherry picked the best wins of his career and you got no argument besides I'm a Floyd boy. Go punch a whole in your wall loser.
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9% jabs? 19% power punches? 27% overall?
Floyd doubled and tripled those numbers.
DOMINATED LMAO.
dominated by the judges hahaha.. that's the result of having a bundled of money on the judges table.. they turned blind that night.
Mannys 7 losses and Koed a few times , they are so important its ironic you leave them out , you fan boys love flag waving its more a case of who when and how you beat them.
The biggest names on Mannys resume all say Floyd is a better fighter, you cannot get over that, as a matter of fact you have no answer to them saying Floyd is a better fighter, they know more than anyone.
don;t be bitter mate. 7 loses can't discredit the rest of the records.. see how pac surpassed what floyd have?
even the lineal floyd has fewer.. what more about the divisions? 8 vs 5? the champs they fought? i see you can't admit that. stay bitter my friend.
Morales and MAB just came off of massive wars with each other. Morales still beat Manny. Morales and MAB were never the same after their wars together, especially after the trilogy. Manny was injected after.
When Manny finally beat Morales it was after Morales looked like a$$ and fat after losing to Rahim. Clearly shot.
MAB for this second loss to Manny came right after he lost to Marquez and was clearly clearly shot to ribbons.
Even Larios, just lost to Vazquez right before Manny via 3rd round tko.
Oscar was shot and had big recent losses, they made him drain to 147.
Hatton had just taken his first loss and by ko to May right before Manny was injected.
Cotto has just been stopped by Margarito for his first loss before Manny made him shrink.
Margarito had just been smoked by Shane 2 fights before and they made him shrink before fighting Manny.
Shane had lost to Floyd two fights before before they injected Manny. Roach is on video saying they didn't want to fight Shane when he wasn't looking shot. YouTube it.
Only fighter that wasn't on a losing streak or had recent losses was Marquez and Manny went life and death with him every fight.
Facts are facts and you got no legs to stand on. You can always say I spiked your water or something lol.
provide me the link for pacquiao got injected after the trilogy.
i see why you can't accept the fact that pac demolished floyd with his record..
The fight came to fruition in 2009.
All Floyd had to do was make the fight. Beat the man in his prime and there's nothing nobody can say.
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If that was true, why did PAC demand a catchweight with Cotto in November of 2009?
Do you want us to believe that he would have fought Floyd at 147? Come on bro! That fight wouldn’t have happened no matter what.
Also Roach only called for the fight in 2010 because he kept saying that PAC wasn’t ready for Floyd.
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Why didn’t Manny go after Floyd in 2005 or 2006 or 2007??
Why wait until Floyd is old to call him out?
The fight came to fruition in 2009.
All Floyd had to do was make the fight. Beat the man in his prime and there's nothing nobody can say.
Great, thank you for trying.
Reiterating, Floyd was out for two years, 13 years as a pro, and 32 years old. You need better research and understanding of the evolution of sports and athletics in boxing. I'm going to help you.
Pro careers go 14-16 years and end stage is 32-34 if you turn pro at 18 and don't take a lot of damamge along the way. Floyd was at the literal end of his prime. These are numerical facts.
Incorrect. I never said he was a slow puncher. I said he was never a fast puncher. There are things more important than being fast. Going up in weight doesn't always diminish punch speed, power yes, foot speed yes, punch speed, not so much.
it wasn't "more" of an advantage. It's just how they were born. One was bigger, one was smaller. Science.
Floyd would never lose to Marquez under any reasonable circumstances. 100 out of 100 Floyd wins. Look man, Floyd and Marquez are both counter punchers and one of better than the other. That's just the way it is.
Again, wrong. Everyone doesn't believe that two years off isn't a big factor. Who are you referring to? I've never heard that in my life. Two years off for anyone is a big deal. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have taken a tune up fight and this was a tune up fight.
Manny landed some punches sure, but he got dominated during the fight. Manny is a great fighter, no argument there, but he was levels under Floyd and Floyd would beat him worse if he wasn't well out of his prime. I gave Manny like three rounds give or take. It wasn't close and Floyd was well out of his prime. He retired 2 fights after. Again, numerical facts.
Remember I said a pro career goes 14-16 years and prime ends 32-34? Well Floyd was 19 years as a pro as 38 year old. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on boxrec. Look at atg's and when they were at their worst. Some lasted longer because they took less damage, divisions and talent pool got lower, etc. But if you know the sport you should know when they started looking bad. Those numbers are solid.
Ali at 18 years as a pro, he was getting trounced by Leon Spinks. Shavers beat the living day lights out of him the year before.
Mosley at 19 years pro got blasted out by Mundine!
Oscar made it 16 years.
Leonard, 14 years in was getting obliterated by Norris. 20 years in, stopped by Camacho.Tyson, 19 years in smoked by Williams and next year destroyed by McBride.
Floyd doesnt run, he stalks, this has been proven time and time again.
And let's be honest, you're not trying to "show" anybody anything like your sig is some educational segment lmao. You're being a troll and trying to make fun of Floyd. Look at your avatar, keep it real!
What cherry picked opponents though? Floyd called our Mosely and Oscar well during their prime. I don't like discrediting Manny, it's just how things played out. He IS the catchweight king. His handlers did get his biggest names when they were at their weakest. You can't factually say the same thing about Floyd.
It's ok to like both fighters you know. I like them both. Manny is a great fighter, no doubt. Floyd is better, so what, it's not a big deal. You can't honestly say Manny is better and not look willfully ignorant. The facts are overwhelming.
You can hum and haw until the cows come home about how Floyd did this and that, but it doesn't make any sense.
It's totally ok to change your stance. Real men admit defeat. I mean, look at Wilder. The guy can't admit he lost legit and it looks absolutely nuts. Even a lot of the black community is turning their backs on him. Know what I mean? You ripping on Floyd, you kinda look like Wilder talking about heavy suits, spiked water, jealous trainers, moon wasn't in line with the sun, etc.
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Truer word have never been spoken.
Also just to add to your factual points, why didn’t Manny go after Floyd in 2005 or 2006 or 2007? They waited for Floyd to get old.
To top it off, PAC fought Cotto at a catchweight in 2009 so we know there is no way in hell he would have fought Floyd at a true WW platform.
This reads like a who's who of excuses.
Were they both in their prime when they fought. No. So who's to say what would happen if both were in their prime. Especially since Floyd had the opportunity to fight these guys when they were in their prime, but he was either retired or on vacation.
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Why didn’t Manny go after Floyd in 2005 or 2006 or 2007??
Why wait until Floyd is old to call him out?
Right now i put him in top 20-25 but if floyd didn't duck and fight boxers in his prime and still become undefeated i have to say top 10-15 atg.
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Let me guess, PAC is your top 5 list of not number 1, right?
118-110 by a 38 year old man at the end of his career with brittle hands. Looks like an a$$ whoppin to me.
So what if there was clinches, Manny got dominated by an old guy with a basic plan everyone saw coming a mile away.
Manny cherry picked the best wins of his career and you got no argument besides I'm a Floyd boy. Go punch a whole in your wall loser.
https://i.ibb.co/236FTCR/1430630275757-lc-gallery-Image-image001-png.jpg
9% jabs? 19% power punches? 27% overall?
Floyd doubled and tripled those numbers.
DOMINATED LMAO.
I saw 150 clinches and 12 rounds of inconclusiveness.
I see you get moist by Floyd cherrypicking the best guys on his resume.
Inconclusive? Manny got fcuking dominated!
Typical Floyd boy overexaggerrating.
Was Manny pummeled? Was there a ko? I saw about 100 plus clinches though.
I must have missed the dominination when I almost dozed off.
Who's who of excuses, like what does that even mean. That's all you can come up? Kinda weak guy.
If they were both in they're prime, Manny gets knocked out.
Based on what? An inconclusive fight where Manny was past his prime, had already been ko'd, and you wanted to even it out by saying Floyd was past his prime too?
That is weak.
Just say you believe Manny gets ko'd because you are a Floyd boy. Not because of their only encounter where both guys were past their prime. What kind of sense does that make.
Manny been knocked out three times in his career, which knockout are you talking about? You taling about Marquez? He was beating the hell out of Juan, I was worried for Marquez tbh. Manny was up on the cards. Just so happens Marquez was working on that move in sparring (youtube it, white gloves) so you can thank Nacho for that one. Hardly got shopworn off of a well placed punch.
Anyway, I didn't say Manny was more shopworn. Looks like you're just adding that to take some of Floyd's thunder away because you don't like him.
Look I agree, Manny got more losses and took more damage throughout his career, especially in his prime at 130 and stuff.
Floyd never took that damage, ok. Manny is a tough cookie and that damage from 130, i don't think really resonated with him. But Manny's best came after all of that so do we count that? No, I don't think so.
I mean this in a very endearing way: Manny is too stupid to let it effect him. I think he feeds off of it, plus his head is symmetrically built for it. If you look at Manny's unofficial weights during his run at 130, he was coming in as a welterweight on fight night. His face got tore up a bit, but what's in there for a brain didn't.
Like I said before, Money May was a totally different fighter than he was in his prime. This is not a disputed fact by anyone with a brain in their head. It's historical factual knowledge.
Pretty Boy Floyd would have stomped Manny out under 8 rounds. Bob knew it, Trampler knew it, Vegas knew it. They tried getting Floyd to shrink to 140 during the very first blips of negotiation. I mean, come on guy. This is nuts!
Floyd beats Manny 10 out of 10. Prime vs Prime, Manny is lights out.
This reads like a who's who of excuses.
Were they both in their prime when they fought. No. So who's to say what would happen if both were in their prime. Especially since Floyd had the opportunity to fight these guys when they were in their prime, but he was either retired or on vacation.
Its not really about credit thats just a fans scale, its who beat who when they fought, when all the talk was over they both had the same chance and Manny was a total flop who did nothing what he said he was going to do, Floyd did what he said he would do and won clearly.
Is what it is .
Gtfoh.
Either they both were in their prime or not.
Floyd boys always trying to make up an extra set of excuses.
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compare it now.
Mannys 7 losses and Koed a few times , they are so important its ironic you leave them out , you fan boys love flag waving its more a case of who when and how you beat them.
The biggest names on Mannys resume all say Floyd is a better fighter, you cannot get over that, as a matter of fact you have no answer to them saying Floyd is a better fighter, they know more than anyone.
I'm not saying he would beat everyone but as far as pure boxing ability goes he is the best ever. Boxing is about lot more than just how technically skilled you are though.
Manny avoided and cherry picked more than Floyd ever did , start the thread resume against resume head to head , numbers weights and measure timing of fights CWs and the current form of opponents , we will compare them all go for it lol.
Notice how all common opponents claim Floyd as the best they fought, explain that will you as it says volumes about how good Mayweather was lol.
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compare it now.
floyd was also a defensive wizard by avoiding, cherrypicking and ducking prime fighters.. went on vacation and just came back after the division has no longer a big threats.
Manny avoided and cherry picked more than Floyd ever did , start the thread resume against resume head to head , numbers weights and measure timing of fights CWs and the current form of opponents , we will compare them all go for it lol.
Notice how all common opponents claim Floyd as the best they fought, explain that will you as it says volumes about how good Mayweather was lol.
So if Floyd was past his prime, and Manny was more shopworn and had previously been knocked out, how much credit can you lend to that. If it was a overmarinated, big payday for both guys let it be that, but a fight to determine who is the better fighter no both guys need to be prime for that.
Its not really about credit thats just a fans scale, its who beat who when they fought, when all the talk was over they both had the same chance and Manny was a total flop who did nothing what he said he was going to do, Floyd did what he said he would do and won clearly.
Is what it is .