Pacquiao-Crawford in negotiations?

yes everything is fantasy becasue we are living in the matrix simulation buddy! i dont have an opinion. i have facts. my analysis is based on those facts. your analysis is based on your bias. what do you have? where are your facts? fact is crawford was offered the fight for 6.5 million with ppv points and turned it down. fact is he fought unranked brook for much less so what are you talking about? this isnt opinion. if you think that is a crappy offer then say so. i dont think it is. crawford doesnt make that much and doesnt generate ppv buys at all. you are trying to deflect and not argue the merits. common tactic of someone with no substance so like i said WHERE IS YOUR SUBSTANCE ON WHICH YOU ARE MAKING YOUR CLAIMS! Gut feeling and its never failed me, many opinions come from a constant mental gathering of information over often years that your subconscious is putting together all the time, we are not even aware of it happening a lot of the time, like I said its my opinion I dont give a rats what you think about it, I will never fight for an opinion that doesnt have rock solid proof . I could be wrong just as you could be wrong thats a waste of energy to me , like I said nothing to debate. When I have the proof the numbers and documents I never back off, an opinion well thats just a ferris wheel you can go around on your own.

All of it, its your perception which is driven by an agenda, you have a like and dislike meter which controls your filters, you see what you want to see. What I think of Arum is my opinion its as valid as your opinion because neither of us know what goes on in thier locker room. There is no recorded history hard facts and numbers, this is a debate about opinions, I said mine you said yours there is nothing to debate . yes everything is fantasy becasue we are living in the matrix simulation buddy! i dont have an opinion. i have facts. my analysis is based on those facts. your analysis is based on your bias. what do you have? where are your facts? fact is crawford was offered the fight for 6.5 million with ppv points and turned it down. fact is he fought unranked brook for much less so what are you talking about? this isnt opinion. if you think that is a crappy offer then say so. i dont think it is. crawford doesnt make that much and doesnt generate ppv buys at all. you are trying to deflect and not argue the merits. common tactic of someone with no substance so like i said WHERE IS YOUR SUBSTANCE ON WHICH YOU ARE MAKING YOUR CLAIMS!

what is fantasy? crawford was offered the fight and a career high payday. he didnt take it. brook was an unranked fighter and he made much less money fighting him. please feel free to tell me im wrong. oh wait yo prob think trump got more votes right? but im the fantasy one! notice how your posts dont contain any actual evidence in them? like if you are holding back please feel free to release your evidence load all over me, and bear in mind emotional feelings dont count as evidence sorry! my post was based on the evidence that pac already offered crawford a fair offer and crawford didnt take it, hence crawford is the one on blast. your evidence is you like crawford, or you like fighter X therefore they must be right. not the best bulletproof defense to be honest. pretend like this is a court. would you walk in and say wow your claims are fantasy! and then just expect the court to rule in your favor? prob not going to happen. you need a little more substance then saying i hate arum, arum is a liar, arum is a cheat. you actually have to show your work in this kind of forum to gain any kind of legitimacy. im certainly not going to believe you based on you saying "arum is a snake" what does that mean? besides the vague anti-semitism i cant do much with that and i personally love anti-semitism! All of it, its your perception which is driven by an agenda, you have a like and dislike meter which controls your filters, you see what you want to see. What I think of Arum is my opinion its as valid as your opinion because neither of us know what goes on in thier locker room. There is no recorded history hard facts and numbers, this is a debate about opinions, I said mine you said yours there is nothing to debate .

You should write fantasy poetry, Daggums world of story telling. what is fantasy? crawford was offered the fight and a career high payday. he didnt take it. brook was an unranked fighter and he made much less money fighting him. please feel free to tell me im wrong. oh wait yo prob think trump got more votes right? but im the fantasy one! notice how your posts dont contain any actual evidence in them? like if you are holding back please feel free to release your evidence load all over me, and bear in mind emotional feelings dont count as evidence sorry! my post was based on the evidence that pac already offered crawford a fair offer(6.5 million and ppv points) and crawford didnt take it, hence crawford is the one on blast. your evidence is you like crawford, or you like fighter X therefore they must be right. not the best bulletproof defense to be honest. pretend like this is a court. would you walk in and say wow your claims are fantasy! and then just expect the court to rule in your favor? prob not going to happen. you need a little more substance then saying i hate arum, arum is a liar, arum is a cheat. you actually have to show your work in this kind of forum to gain any kind of legitimacy. im certainly not going to believe you based on you saying "arum is a snake" what does that mean? besides the vague anti-semitism i cant do much with that and i personally love anti-semitism!

Because he lies to his fighters and makes matches when he wants not when the fighter wants, if he thinks his fighter gets beat in a high profile match he will avoid it on one side of his face and tell his fighter they avoiding it on the other side of his face. and this is based on what? please dont tell me floyd pac as floyd was proven to be the one who constantly changed his demands. how about marg vs floyd? did arum tell floyd marg didnt want to fight him for 7 mill? go fight sharma for 3 mill instead? thats kinda rude cause then arum sued floyd for fighting sharmba and breaching contract. floyd so badly didn want to fight marg he broke his contract and fought a bum. thats pretty devastating evidence against floyd but lets see how you spin that one. good luck!

is that not true? he did zero promotion for his brook fight. thats why i dont get why people dont like arum. hes not afraid to call out his own fighters for doing dumb things. he used to call out floyd for ducking all the time cause floyd was ducking. most other promoters would just say my guy is the best we want to face the best! then behind the scenes kill all the fights but arum didnt want to lie like that. he knew floyd was ducking and he knows crawford is too. kell brook was a sorry ass fight. who wants to watch that crap against a shot fighter? the only way is if you promote it and make people believe its going to be exciting in some way. if you arent going to fight good fighters like pac and choose brook then you have to make it worthwhile and crawford didnt. at least crawford isnt breaking his contract and refusing to fight good fighters in order to fight bums like floyd did, only to get sued by arm, so their relationship isnt that bad yet. You should write fantasy poetry, Daggums world of story telling.

I believe that Arum's complaint about Crawford is that he makes no attempt to help promote the fight, even though it's for his own benefit to do so. is that not true? he did zero promotion for his brook fight. thats why i dont get why people dont like arum. hes not afraid to call out his own fighters for doing dumb things. he used to call out floyd for ducking all the time cause floyd was ducking. most other promoters would just say my guy is the best we want to face the best! then behind the scenes kill all the fights but arum didnt want to lie like that. he knew floyd was ducking and he knows crawford is too. kell brook was a sorry ass fight. who wants to watch that crap against a shot fighter? the only way is if you promote it and make people believe its going to be exciting in some way. if you arent going to fight good fighters like pac and choose brook then you have to make it worthwhile and crawford didnt. at least crawford isnt breaking his contract and refusing to fight good fighters in order to fight bums like floyd did, only to get sued by arm, so their relationship isnt that bad yet.

not happening bob father wouldnt make this when they were both under him def not allowing it now i thought arum loved in house fights? now he didnt want to make it? crawford was already offered the fight and said he deserved more money even though it was more money than he has ever made and last i checked his ppv ratings were garbage. oh well. fantasy land wins again. i deserve more because im amazing!!! maybe so but is your revenue amazing...no....i thoght boxing was a business? now you should be paid just based on how amazing you think you are? thats a pretty hard thing to legislate

people and their deductive reasoning. their brains have turned to mush from floyd propaganda. hy are you acting like manny doenst want to fight crawford when he already offered crawford a career high payday and crawford turned it down so why is it so hard to believe manny would fight him? manny isnt a coward like floyd. that doesnt mean hes perfect but he actually tries to make fights, but the thing that you shold have learned by now is that it takes two to tango. i think crawford would win and i think manny knows he would be in for a tough fight but if the money is right then hey lets do it, unlike floyd who turns down career paydays to fight bums like sharmba to preserve his shiny little record for his sycophants. floyd is actually very smart when it comes to game theory. 7 million for marg or 3 for sharmba? well i have a 100 percent chance of winning against sharmba and maybe 65 against marg. ill take the sharmba fight and move on from there preserving my future earnings. if i lose to marg my ROI falls dramatically so i have to take the sure thing. cowardly of course but smart.

not happening bob father wouldnt make this when they were both under him def not allowing it now

*sigh* more okie-doke. First it's "Crawford wants belts, that's why he won't fight Porter" But we're supposed to believe that he'll fight Manny who has no belt. Ok Porter was offered a fight. Spence and Ugas have the belts now and they supposed to be fighting each other. If Crawford fights Pac then he is facing somebody who is very relevant in the division as has just held a title unlike Porter and didn't even lose it in the ring. I think the WBA should give Pac his belt back if this fight is made.

I hope we get this fight and Spence Ugas, and the winners unify for all 4 belts. That would be sick. Boxing is in shambles right now. Fans are like junkies waiting for a fix. Ryan needs to fight Tank and leave Manny alone, Manny will end his career

All right....chill.out Mother Theresa. yea this edgarg guy b1tches over weird stuff like a woman. What a weirdo lol.

Listen, you're a nice guy but you are on the wrong track. You go by years-old hearsay. Koncz has no standing...where is he now.. Arum made massive efforts to get that fight going. To the extent,that he appealed to former Judge Daniel Weinstein who tried to mediate. He wasted a lot of time over it. Another time, verything was agreed, and there ws a meeting at which everybody showed up but Mayweather. The mediator then was Russ Greenburg the HBO chief. He issued a statement after, saying thet the fault was entirely Mayweather's who didn't even turn up. So... PULLEAZZE.. stop taking about what you don't really have the facts on. I don't literally mean to stop talking, you're a free man, but to verify your facts before you deal with me. Otherwise I'll just correct you. Because I kNOW. else I wouldn't put it in writing. You should know too,because it was all published on BoxingScene, where I get most of my information. I just happen to have a very good memory. I've said this before. ****Incidentally Judge Weinstein was appealed to because it was he, who arbitrated the original mish-mash that Oscar tried to involve MannyP in, when he dragged him to a meal after his 16 hour flight,and badgered him for 2 1/2 hours to sign with Golden Balls. He kept pushing the paper and pen to the yawning MannyP, who just a often pushed it away, but finally, knowing it would not be valid, as he was signed with Top Rank, and wanting to get away from Oscar, to go to bed, he signed****. Why are you crying like a damn female? You posted all that garbage just to say nothing. Stfu please.

All right....chill.out Mother Theresa. Lmaooooo this lol

That's a very nice, fine post and I totally agree. W eoriginally had some sharp words but got to know one another better and became peaceful. Now you just stopped the same thing happening all over. Thank you. As I said with Leon dying at 67 that reflection made me feel privileged to be here which took all the fight right out of me, we not always right and we easily find ourselves defending things way above there worth and high blood pressure is the only winner lol.

Im still a nice guy its just Im on my track and youre on your track and neither of know for sure if we are on the truth train . So peace out brother I just reading where Leon Spinks died at 67, thats my territory Id rather enjoy being here than arguing, and besides where I sit now at 8pm its as hot as hades and I dont feel like arguing a difference of opinion . All good. That's a very nice, fine post and I totally agree. W eoriginally had some sharp words but got to know one another better and became peaceful. Now you just stopped the same thing happening all over. Thank you.

And that should be between him and TC in private, thats Arum the snake going public when he shouldnt , it come as a knee jerk because TC said he cant get fights, Bob thought that made him look bad so he was quick to throw it at TC . If I were TC Id leave just like Oscar Floyd and Cotto did. hWhy should it be private.WHo are YOU that you should be the decider what Arum should say or not say... Stop digging yourself deeper into it, or you'll reach Australia and have to fly back home.. He's a very famous promoter, he is always cornered and asked 100 questions, and has no reason not to answer this one. He is very frustrated with Crawford, knwoing he's so good but such a hopeless crowd drawer. And as I've pointed out before, and as have others, he does not run Top Rank since 2004 . His step-son LeBoeuf is the boss. Arum has lived in Vegas for so many years, been a main centre of attention during all that time, so he loves the chit-chat that goes with it all. So he's asked questions, So he gives answers. What do you care what he says, it does you no damage. You are free to chose whether you believe him or not. But it's cowardly to degrade an old man behind his back the way you do. Me, I think it's great that so old a man is still so active and with all his very sharp marbles. Very many of the greatest fights in history have been organized by him. He was Ali's promoter from many years, and Hagler's only lifetime promoter, without even a contract -except a handshake. . That's all I'm saying on this. Talking to you is like talking to the wall. Believ what you want but don't bother me with it.

Listen, you're a nice guy but you are on the wrong track. You go by years-old hearsay. Koncz has no standing...where is he now.. Arum made massive efforts to get that fight going. To the extent,that he appealed to former Judge Daniel Weinstein who tried to mediate. He wasted a lot of time over it. Another time, verything was agreed, and there ws a meeting at which everybody showed up but Mayweather. The mediator then was Russ Greenburg the HBO chief. He issued a statement after, saying thet the fault was entirely Mayweather's who didn't even turn up. So... PULLEAZZE.. stop taking about what you don't really have the facts on. I don't literally mean to stop talking, you're a free man, but to verify your facts before you deal with me. Otherwise I'll just correct you. Because I kNOW. else I wouldn't put it in writing. You should know too,because it was all published on BoxingScene, where I get most of my information. I just happen to have a very good memory. I've said this before. ****Incidentally Judge Weinstein was appealed to because it was he, who arbitrated the original mish-mash that Oscar tried to involve MannyP in, when he dragged him to a meal after his 16 hour flight,and badgered him for 2 1/2 hours to sign with Golden Balls. He kept pushing the paper and pen to the yawning MannyP, who just a often pushed it away, but finally, knowing it would not be valid, as he was signed with Top Rank, and wanting to get away from Oscar, to go to bed, he signed****. Im still a nice guy its just Im on my track and youre on your track and neither of know for sure if we are on the truth train . So peace out brother I just reading where Leon Spinks died at 67, thats my territory Id rather enjoy being here than arguing, and besides where I sit now at 8pm its as hot as hades and I dont feel like arguing a difference of opinion . All good.

How do you know this. I'm in boxing too, far longer than you, and don't know this. The boxer has the choice to fight which ever opponent is most available. He can turn it down, and you know that almost as many fights fall through as are actually fought, because one of the fighters refused the purse, or conditions, or venue, or country, or wanted his whole family to be comped first class all the way, and fifty other reasons. The Promoter can only arrange the match after the boxer and his manager decide. He tells them who is available. He works for them not the other way 'round....which seems to be the way you have it. And anyway, to call an inoffensive old man you don't even know, who has never done anything to you, a "snake' is cheap and low. ...as low as a snake in fact. All right....chill.out Mother Theresa.