Tank vs Garcia is already done

Where do you think Oscar from? The Golden Boy was born and raised in East Los Angeles, CA. In the 80’s & 90’s East L.A. was considered the gang capital of America. Get it straight Oscar might not of come from the slums of the Philippines but he did come from the barrios of East L.A. to become on the best to ever done it and arguably the most marketable boxer of all time. Also, you mention the gift Oscar got what about the robberies like Trinidad or Mosley 2 he received? Anyhow, Oscar will always be remembered for fighting the best of his era and daring to be great against the greats that’s a lot more you can say from any boxer nowadays. I only consider the Trinidad fight as a robbery against him, though he ran like a rabbit in the last four rounds of that one. Mosley 2 is debatable IMO. Anyhow... Have you ever read Tim Kawakami's book about him? It explains quite well who Oscar really is in his deepest essence, ever since he was young. Sure, he comes from East L.A. but he always kept a foot here and the other there, in order to appeal to both Latino and American audiences. He is not a man of his people, but a fake puppet with a false 32-teeth smile. Yes, he has gone on to fight big names and become a star, of course, but lost to the best he fought practically every time. Then again, with the whole boxing establishment behind him, definitely he could not have fought bums forever, or else he would not have been the cash cow that he was. He bought The Ring magazine and turned it into a Golden Boy Promotion megaphone, firing an excellent journalist such as Nigel Collins of whom he could not stand the honest opinions. Became a big fish in the dirty waters of boxing promotion. And I'll spare the rest, addictions, drag and kitchen utensils, etc. because that has more to do with a wrecked psychology than anything else.

Agreed in principle. However, there's a big difference between Oscar and Manny. Oscar had a whole establishment behind him ever since he won Olympic gold, and all of this notwithstanding he was defeated whenever he fought at the very top, with two or three gift decisions added as a bonus. Whereas Pacman came from dirt and thrashed almost everybody put in front of him to become one of the greatest fighters ever. Which De La Hoya is not, in my book at least. Having said that, you are right: it's good that Garcia is not being babied. It's a high risk fight vs Tank, though I doubt it will really happen as soon as they are saying. Where do you think Oscar from? The Golden Boy was born and raised in East Los Angeles, CA. In the 80’s & 90’s East L.A. was considered the gang capital of America. Get it straight Oscar might not of come from the slums of the Philippines but he did come from the barrios of East L.A. to become on the best to ever done it and arguably the most marketable boxer of all time. Also, you mention the gift Oscar got what about the robberies like Trinidad or Mosley 2 he received? Anyhow, Oscar will always be remembered for fighting the best of his era and daring to be great against the greats that’s a lot more you can say from any boxer nowadays.

Oscar never babied his fighters as much as other promoters and that’s one of the reasons I like GBP. Yes Oscar is looking for the new Goldenboy but he also knows what it takes to become one. Fighters need to take on the best just as he did, Pacman did, and many other greats from the past. Agreed in principle. However, there's a big difference between Oscar and Manny. Oscar had a whole establishment behind him ever since he won Olympic gold, and all of this notwithstanding he was defeated whenever he fought at the very top, with two or three gift decisions added as a bonus. Whereas Pacman came from dirt and thrashed almost everybody put in front of him to become one of the greatest fighters ever. Which De La Hoya is not, in my book at least. Having said that, you are right: it's good that Garcia is not being babied. It's a high risk fight vs Tank, though I doubt it will really happen as soon as they are saying.

You realise you just called De La Hoya the worst promoter in boxing. GBP is one of the biggest promotional companies so he can’t be that bad. Every outfit has their own formula but GBP’s have been working just fine Id say. Im not saying that Oscar throws his cash cows to the wolves every time but he takes more chances than other promoters.

It's kill or be killed imo. I like it. Both guys are very popular. Ryan isnt worried about losing his 0 cause he knows with all his followers they wont abandon him. If Ryan is legit kudos to the kid cause these are the fights that boxing fans want now not in two years time.

I wonder why they're risking to have Garcia destroyed so early. Wasn't he intended to be the new Oscar? Oscar never babied his fighters as much as other promoters and that’s one of the reasons I like GBP. Yes Oscar is looking for the new Goldenboy but he also knows what it takes to become one. Fighters need to take on the best just as he did, Pacman did, and many other greats from the past.

Think how many were saying he's gonna get killed by Campbell. It was a genuine risk. What has Davis been upto lately? Luckily I was not among them... I won a few bucks by picking a Garcia stoppage in the second half, but was scared as fùck when Campbell knocked the kid down hard in the second :lol1: I, too, believe that the fight won't be made as quickly as they say. I would be surprised of the contrary. Both have much to lose in fighting each other too soon. As of now, I still would put my money on Tank.

What you gonna say when Garcia blasts out the 5 3" Gremlin? 😜 I'll eat humble pie as a wrecked predictor :D Do you think the fight really happens?

just the right recipe right there for tank to take a fight if he's following floyd's blueprint. garcia is... mexican fighter...check (he doesn't speak spanish doe lol) popular...check will bring in ppv buys...check if this fight doesn't happen next, tank is fighting another no-hoper.

What are you talking about? He won most of his big fights. Did you only start watching boxing when Pac and Floyd were huge names? For reference, he fought Pernell and Chavez over a decade before he ever fought Floyd and Pac. That’s how long Oscar was operating at a top level for. Though they (Chavez and Pernell) were older, I don’t think you realize how big the Chavez fights were especially in Mexico and how important the Whittaker fight was seen for him. He lost to Tito in a fight many consider a robbery (though he s hit the bed) Shane twice (once proper, the second many consider a robbery AND shane was juicing.) Then he lost to B Hop while daring to be great at MW and it pretty much rounded out his career. Then while he came back, lost to Floyd and still some people (wrongly) believe he might have pulled off a draw, then an even more shot version of him weight drained to lose to Pac. Almost every De La Hoya fight was a big fight for over a decade against top competition and some hall of famers. Some of these fights wouldnt be seen *as* big had Oscar not lost and catapulted careers to next levels. But people forget that. You can only lose against atgs if you fight them. He won some and he lost some. Deserves all the in ring respect he gets even if he’s sus af outside it. why should he get credit for chavez and whittaker, good names but like you said, they were older. You realize people don't give Pacquiao credit for beating barrera since he was "older", so why can't the same be done here. tito, like you said again, he lost(doesn't matter what people think), and same with shane, another loss lost to hop, mayweather, pacquiao Rather than list the big fights he won, you listed the big fights he lost which proved my point. who cares how you try to spin it, he lost. what are some other big fights he won, vargas? mayorga? please. want to throw out camacho, another older fighter? I say this same thing for tyson, once he upped the competition, he lost if you're such a big dick rider for fishnets, how about you list the big fights he won, rather than list the big fights he lost but giving excuses for each one and on a side note, why u so mad at folks who just started watching boxing with floyd and mayweather? They're the ones who brought boxing back and got casuals watching again. Look how pathetic boxing is. A pandemic with nothing to watch and yet boxing still couldn't draw viewers. Seems like boxing needs those type of people who just started watching to come back because you "hardcores" aren't cutting it for this pathetic sport that can't make the big fights. I also find it funny how you say weight drained against pacquiao whereas he was the betting favorite and no one expected him to lose, but whatever excuse you want to make up to make you feel better towards the golden boy who took on all challengers but lost all the big fights

I like this fight for late 2021. I'd like to see Ryan fight Linares in the first half of 2021, facing another veteran will benefit him. I'm sure even his trainer agrees. Is Ryan really exclusive to DAZN? This fight has to be PPV. Golden Boy should explore all options. If DAZN wants it on their platform they will have to put up a substantial amount of money. I think this fight does 1M plus buys.

Have to respect Garcia for not fronting and wanting the big fights. Too often we hear both sides telling us why a big fight won’t get made. Ready or not no doubt Garcia would do it. Not sure Tank or Floyd would though. They seem more likely to tray and build Tank up with some easy wins for a while longer.

I like it. No marination required unlike some other fighters.

If you are Team Garcia, why go after Haney before Tank? Haney has a tricky style and while Ryan has faced him plenty of times in the amateurs, there is a chance he looks foolish and loses a decision. Now, losing a decision isn't as bad as getting KTFO, but Tank has a MUCH bigger fanbase and name than Haney. So you are going to make more money there and fight a guy you will have an easier time to hit. I think they gun for Tank next...As they should. I agree they should and I hope it happens but I'm hesitant in believing it will considering how the boxing business works

It's the best time for Davis to do it. If he's going to ever fight Garcia, it should be now, while Garcia is inexperienced. He got cracked and didn't handle it too well. Hopped up too soon, unlike veteran like Marquez who would have taken the long standing 8. Davis could capitalize on Garcia right now but once Garcia is experienced and knows how to handle pressure and getting cracked? Davis don't got much to offer for his case in beating Garcia at that point.

Well, he won because of Chavez getting a horrible cut, but Julio was fighting back until that point, it was not a dominant win by Oscar. Anyhow, what diminished De La Hoya's accomplishments in my view at that time was the reek of establishment that accompanied his figure. He did win some important fights, but the hype he could enjoy in the 90s was unprecedented. Sometimes he threw quick flurries that hit the air, or the opponent's gloves at best, but that was enough for judges to give him rounds (also because they were influenced by the hordes of screaming chicks underlining each and every move by Oscar). So, he was a champion in terms of titles won, for sure, and fought most everybody they put in front of him. But he was also a product of mega-hype by the boxing establishment, and received opportunities that many fighters of superior level never had. That he has become a promoter at this level, that he fired Nigel Collins after purchasing The Ring Magazine, are both proofs of who he is and where he comes from. Tim Kawakami's book "Golden Boy: The Fame, Money, and Mystery of Oscar de La Hoya" gives a good perspective of the guy's real essence. If you never read it, I encourage you to do so. Basically, the book reveals how fake this man has always been. Oscar has always known how ti play the game, whether it’s judges or the business side of things. It’s unfortunate but there’s a lot of sharks in the fight game and sometimes at that high level - for lack of a more refined term - you either do the f ucking or get f ucked as they say. I should really look into that book and try to gain some insight. I’ll try to set some time aside for it. Thank you for actually making me aware of it.

If you are Team Garcia, why go after Haney before Tank? Haney has a tricky style and while Ryan has faced him plenty of times in the amateurs, there is a chance he looks foolish and loses a decision. Now, losing a decision isn't as bad as getting KTFO, but Tank has a MUCH bigger fanbase and name than Haney. So you are going to make more money there and fight a guy you will have an easier time to hit. I think they gun for Tank next...As they should. .@KingRyanG on fighting Devin Haney again in the professional ranks: 🗣“Haney’s actually a harder fight than Gervonta. He’s longer, has better boxing skills. Overall, he’s smarter in the ring. Gervonta is a power puncher but that’s about it.” 📺: https://t.co/Eolu4lm0kf pic.twitter.com/1p9LsmM5sf— Dan Canobbio (@DanCanobbio) January 22, 2020

Mm this guy Ray Danseco, no 10-8? https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-vs-luke-campbell-official-scorecards--154488 https://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/garcia-campbell-scorecard-official-2.jpg

So you think this could be the first joint PPV between Fox/Showtime & DAZN? That could be how you make this fight but I see that something as way above Ryan's & Tank's pay grade to have confidence in. This fight is definitely PPV level. It's going to do good numbers and I think you can pull off a joint PPV here with DAZN and SHO. I would not be surprised in the least if this fight does over 500-600k buys.

I agree IF Garcia beats tank he blows up beyond his wildest dreams and IF Tank pulls off the win his stardom would be incredible and Garcia will still be on top of the world after a couple comeback fights. This is the 1 I wanna see but I'm thinking Haney will be next for Garcia. If you are Team Garcia, why go after Haney before Tank? Haney has a tricky style and while Ryan has faced him plenty of times in the amateurs, there is a chance he looks foolish and loses a decision. Now, losing a decision isn't as bad as getting KTFO, but Tank has a MUCH bigger fanbase and name than Haney. So you are going to make more money there and fight a guy you will have an easier time to hit. I think they gun for Tank next...As they should.