Anthony Joshua has become very, very underrated recently.

1. Are we talking about the same Pulev that turned his back in the third round because he didn't wanna be in there anymore? The same uppercuts that put him down twice. Pulev getting up days more about Pulev's heart than Joshua's lack of power. 2. Wilder isn't an elite heavyweight by any stretch of the imagination. His resume is substandard at best. Fury is the only top tier heavyweight he's faced and he lost 16 out of 19 rounds. If we're counting Klitschko as a top tier opponent for Fury (and rightly so), then you must count him as one for Joshua too. The fights were only 17 months apart. 3. There isn't another heavyweight in the division with a resume that comes close to matching AJ's. No one has beaten more current or former active top 10 heavyweights (as ranked at the time of their respective fights) as Anthony Joshua has. You can only beat what's available and AJ has routinely fought the best available and has never avoided a mandatory. 4. Re: stepping up - Based on what I've heard from both parties in the AJ v Wilder negotiations, as well as Wilder's Freudian slip in his tweet, I believe AJ and his team were game for the fight and tried to make it happen throughout 2017/2018 while Wilder's team were not. It's been evident that Joshua is a risk taker. You cannot blame him if someone doesn't want to fight him. 5. You don't have to love him or think he's the best heavyweight, Fury is the best pound for pound for me, but this irrational hatred has to stop. On point 4, you don’t really even need to know what the negotiations were. Look at the history before it. Wilders team refused to let him fight Klitschko, saying it was “too early”. Joshua beat Klitschko in his 18th fight. Wilder had chance to take on Martin to unify but didn’t push it, Joshua took the opportunity. Wilder had a chance to take on Parker to unify but didn’t push it, Joshua took the opportunity. Wilder refused to fight whyte, telling him he would wait at least two years. Joshua had already beaten him. Wilders only notable win was against Ortiz who also turned down significantly more money to fight wilder rather than Joshua. Joshua has also fought Povetkin, Parker, Takam, Brezeale, Ruiz, Pulev and would have fought Miller too had he not pulled out for positive drug testing. We also know fury has turned down offers to fight Joshua previously. Only person near the top who haven’t had the chance to fight AJ yet is Usyk who only recently moved up to heavyweight and arguably Hunter - although he’s probably not even top10 anyway.

He isnt underated. Hes grossly overated tbh. Hes never fought an elite heavyweight like wilder and fury have (each other) and is getting respect for knocking out has beens and old men just because they were top 10. Pulev to be honest had one of the most basic styles i have ever seen jab jab right hand jab jab left hook and still managed to survive aj when he was knocked down twice. His uppercut isnt all that either im pretty sure i saw pulev eat 4 uppercuts in a row at one point without budging. Canelo has a better uppercut as does inoue forget about since tyson lol 1. Are we talking about the same Pulev that turned his back in the third round because he didn't wanna be in there anymore? The same uppercuts that put him down twice. Pulev getting up days more about Pulev's heart than Joshua's lack of power. 2. Wilder isn't an elite heavyweight by any stretch of the imagination. His resume is substandard at best. Fury is the only top tier heavyweight he's faced and he lost 16 out of 19 rounds. If we're counting Klitschko as a top tier opponent for Fury (and rightly so), then you must count him as one for Joshua too. The fights were only 17 months apart. 3. There isn't another heavyweight in the division with a resume that comes close to matching AJ's. No one has beaten more current or former active top 10 heavyweights (as ranked at the time of their respective fights) as Anthony Joshua has. You can only beat what's available and AJ has routinely fought the best available and has never avoided a mandatory. 4. Re: stepping up - Based on what I've heard from both parties in the AJ v Wilder negotiations, as well as Wilder's Freudian slip in his tweet, I believe AJ and his team were game for the fight and tried to make it happen throughout 2017/2018 while Wilder's team were not. It's been evident that Joshua is a risk taker. You cannot blame him if someone doesn't want to fight him. 5. You don't have to love him or think he's the best heavyweight, Fury is the best pound for pound for me, but this irrational hatred has to stop.

fury has not proved himself as an inside fighter unless you class him beating wilder who had no strength and has only a right hand....wallin was beating fury on the inside. Tyson Fury has a inside game, but it is not very advanced. There are no real inside fighting heavyweights these days.

I only mentioned Lewis & Bowe due to them being super heavyweights 'There are no Super heavyweights active now, who have elite level inside game'. Of course Holyfield & Bowe were on a different level. Long range = Straight punches. Mid Range = Hooks. Inside = Almost shoulder to shoulder. Fury has a better inside game than Joshua, but Joshua is better mid range 'Then Fury better from long range' etc fury has not proved himself as an inside fighter unless you class him beating wilder who had no strength and has only a right hand....wallin was beating fury on the inside.

I said countering in range,fury will be boxing and throwing on the outside ,joshua to land a punch on fury will have to be in his opponants punching range And judging his reactions from taking a punch and thinking more about defence than offence will be his downfall Hes really going ti have to shake that sludge from his drawers before the fight and bite down on his gumshield to beat fury Something he doesnt have in him anymore since ruiz took his soul Based on two fights in which he won every round of the fight?? Lol There isn’t much to please haters but I don’t think many fighters would be capable of winning so emphatically against Ruiz and Pulev. Would fury have done better? History tells us fury ko % is 67 and against significantly lower class opponents. The likes of Wallin, Chisora, Johnson and even Zack Page have managed to take fury the distance - and he doesn’t win every round when he does despite everybody on this forum claiming he is a boxing machine. That doesn’t mean I don’t rate fury, I do - but people who think he isn’t vulnerable at all on here based on a win and a draw - are kidding themselves. Wilder would have the best chance of beating the performance with his knock out power but there are questions for him too. His best win is Ortiz, but he hasn’t taken on much other than that. In both those fights he was losing before finding the KO and Pulev in particular has a strong jab so you would expect a similar outcome required. It’s also something to consider around fury. Fury was rightly given credit for the Klitschko win but obviously never allowed the rematch (which Klitschko was favourite for) to happen. His other performances were against wilder, one of the main arguments is that fury could outbox wilder for 12 rounds and was doing so in the first fight - but then that happens to wilder a lot; he’s never been known to win a boxing match has wilder - that’s not his strength at all. As for knocking him out in the second match - that was obviously a super performance but again it’s not completely unheard of, even Molina had Wilder wobbled for example. Heavyweights can win in any match up and fury got a win and a draw out of those two fights so will be pleased - but it doesn’t guarantee him a win even if he is considered a favourite.

Fury embarrasses him in my opinion. But this version of Joshua is underrated. Some people see his performance against Ruiz as a negative, I see it as a positive. I was thoroughly impressed with how he composed himself and how he carried out his game plan. Being able to regroup and adjust after the kind of defeat he had is a sign of greatness. With that being said, he simply doesn't have the tools to beat Fury. Very few do, if any.

He’s not willing to “take one to give one” - are you sure your a boxing fan? Clearly you don’t know boxing very well if that is your expectation. The aim of boxing is to hit and not to be hit; have you seen any of the top heavyweights ever aim to do that? Smaller class fighters eg Carl froch - can do that - but not at heavyweight class. Fury and wilder both can’t and don’t do that technique either. “Counter in punching range” - ok you really are just a hater. Go watch the Ruiz rematch and even more so the Pulev match and you will see regular counter punches. His first knockdown all started from a right hand counter punch I said countering in range,fury will be boxing and throwing on the outside ,joshua to land a punch on fury will have to be in his opponants punching range And judging his reactions from taking a punch and thinking more about defence than offence will be his downfall Hes really going ti have to shake that sludge from his drawers before the fight and bite down on his gumshield to beat fury Something he doesnt have in him anymore since ruiz took his soul

I saw that interview lol....what absolute bollocks fury was awol 3 years ago and was 370lb and messed up lol. Joshua has the best resume in the division and yeah he lost but it happens if you get caught...it’s learning from it that separates the good from the bad. They have all said it..,first it was whyte beats him , then stupid people said Martin , then breazeale , klitchcko , Parker , povetkin and now pulev and they will pick fury but Joshua will still out fury away. It’s how they are and they ain’t going to change with picking against him Yeah, Fury just can not help himself from chatting utter bollocks....and then when it comes to fight he will pick on midgets or z level guys no one has heard of. I say this as someone who thinks Fury has the skill and size to beat AJ and I was very impressed with the way he handled Wilder in the rematch but this guys career is so low on quality opposition. Remember, most of us in the UK have watched him since his channel 5 days which was like 12 years ago lol...that's 2 solid wins in 12 years. debateable that he has a better resume than fury. they both got klitschko, fury with a younger more prime klitschko and also the wilder win. like some shot povetkin and a white win makes up for stopping undefeated wilder. The hell you on about? AJ has beat all the other champions and top contenders in his division. He would have had Ortiz and Wilder if both guys had not ducked him....and they have both admitted to it too lol Fury only had Wlad by barely scratching through a decision in what was regarded then, and if you don't change history, still one of the worst heavyweight championship bouts in history. He then beat useless Wilder who most actual boxing fans have always known to be useless.

I think Lennox was more mid range...bowe and Holyfield were both good at close quarters.....what I mean by Joshua is he can hurt you when he is close and has developed that uppercut nicely and can land that at ease. Joshua is better mid range as most big men are. If fury chooses to get in close with Joshua he gets hurt ..he might have the size but for 270lb man his punching power is weak. Joshua can hurt you close up or from a distance and we saw that with klitchcko and pulev. Of course he is not on the level of who we mentioned but he will be dangerous for fury for sure. Mercer was another great inside fighter but I think it’s the size really that helps the inside game. I only mentioned Lewis & Bowe due to them being super heavyweights 'There are no Super heavyweights active now, who have elite level inside game'. Of course Holyfield & Bowe were on a different level. Long range = Straight punches. Mid Range = Hooks. Inside = Almost shoulder to shoulder. Fury has a better inside game than Joshua, but Joshua is better mid range 'Then Fury better from long range' etc

I saw that interview lol....what absolute bollocks fury was awol 3 years ago and was 370lb and messed up lol. Joshua has the best resume in the division and yeah he lost but it happens if you get caught...it’s learning from it that separates the good from the bad. They have all said it..,first it was whyte beats him , then stupid people said Martin , then breazeale , klitchcko , Parker , povetkin and now pulev and they will pick fury but Joshua will still out fury away. It’s how they are and they ain’t going to change with picking against him debateable that he has a better resume than fury. they both got klitschko, fury with a younger more prime klitschko and also the wilder win. like some shot povetkin and a white win makes up for stopping undefeated wilder.

AJ is still ranked top 2 or 3 in the world, prob at number 2 ahead of wilder now, by almost everyone, so number 2 is not underrated. he is going to be super prepared and very cautious these days. it was 7 years between lennox's KO losses, took him 7 years to get comlacent again, AJ wont be complacent like he was from ruiz 1 for a long time. Wilder had a good chance to spark out AJ from before ruiz 1, now I think only Fury can beat him. I would pick Fury to win, he comes to win 12, not hope for a KO that never happens.

This website is ****e so duh! But real boxing fans know AJ fought all the champions around him and Wilder now even admits to turning down the fight otherwise AJ would already be undisputed...but yeah he apparently hasnt fought anyone AND he wanted to duck Wilder lol Heck, I can't remember if it was the Good Morning interview or somewhere else but Fury claimed he has been calling AJ out since 2015...the same 2015 in which Fury got depressed, didn't box again for 3 years and AJ started the year on his 11th fight lol But I guarantee if this sites "journalists" got a hold of the interview or the usual racists posters on here they'd say "see, AJ been ducking Fury for 5 years" lol I saw that interview lol....what absolute bollocks fury was awol 3 years ago and was 370lb and messed up lol. Joshua has the best resume in the division and yeah he lost but it happens if you get caught...it’s learning from it that separates the good from the bad. They have all said it..,first it was whyte beats him , then stupid people said Martin , then breazeale , klitchcko , Parker , povetkin and now pulev and they will pick fury but Joshua will still out fury away. It’s how they are and they ain’t going to change with picking against him

Joshua is best at mid range, I don't think he has developed 'A strong inside game as of yet'. Tyson Fury does have a inside game, but it is extremely messy 'It is the reason why he has spent 80% of his career being banged by most of the fighters he faced'. Anyone who is honest, people who have watched Fury's entire career will know? That he was bashed about routinely in his early career. Note: Tyson Fury's inside game is still a mess 'Fury fought Wilder on the inside, because Wilder has zero inside game'. There are no real heavyweights about these days, that can fight on the inside 'I disagree with the notion, that Tyson Fury is a complete fighter'. Fair enough Tyson Fury gives it a go on the inside 'But no way, is he on the level of Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis I.E Big guys who could fight on the inside etc. I think Lennox was more mid range...bowe and Holyfield were both good at close quarters.....what I mean by Joshua is he can hurt you when he is close and has developed that uppercut nicely and can land that at ease. Joshua is better mid range as most big men are. If fury chooses to get in close with Joshua he gets hurt ..he might have the size but for 270lb man his punching power is weak. Joshua can hurt you close up or from a distance and we saw that with klitchcko and pulev. Of course he is not on the level of who we mentioned but he will be dangerous for fury for sure. Mercer was another great inside fighter but I think it’s the size really that helps the inside game.

He doesnt look good mentally hes not willing to take one to give one or counter in punching range,whenever a punch sciffs past his face he fills his shorts with smelly sludge You can tell he panics and doesnt keep his composure when someones throwing or landing on him,something which doesnt look good if hes to go in against someone whos going to give him a few slaps Joshuas lost his trading ability which is vital for elite boxers Wlad lost his trading ability and look what happened the first time he came up against someone similar in size who can box at a further range He bottled it against fury and his only chance was too take one to give one and he just didnt have that anymore Same with aj things really dont look good for his chances against fury He’s not willing to “take one to give one” - are you sure your a boxing fan? Clearly you don’t know boxing very well if that is your expectation. The aim of boxing is to hit and not to be hit; have you seen any of the top heavyweights ever aim to do that? Smaller class fighters eg Carl froch - can do that - but not at heavyweight class. Fury and wilder both can’t and don’t do that technique either. “Counter in punching range” - ok you really are just a hater. Go watch the Ruiz rematch and even more so the Pulev match and you will see regular counter punches. His first knockdown all started from a right hand counter punch

This website is ****e so duh! But real boxing fans know AJ fought all the champions around him and Wilder now even admits to turning down the fight otherwise AJ would already be undisputed...but yeah he apparently hasnt fought anyone AND he wanted to duck Wilder lol Heck, I can't remember if it was the Good Morning interview or somewhere else but Fury claimed he has been calling AJ out since 2015...the same 2015 in which Fury got depressed, didn't box again for 3 years and AJ started the year on his 11th fight lol But I guarantee if this sites "journalists" got a hold of the interview or the usual racists posters on here they'd say "see, AJ been ducking Fury for 5 years" lol

He hasn’t looked great in the 2 fights since? He’s taken on two top ten... The first he completely outboxed and won 12 rounds. The second fight he knocked a man down four times, won every round again and got a knockout of the year contender - against a man who had only lost one previous fight. But he’s not looked great since right? Please explain what you expected to happen instead then... because I’ll point you to wilder and fury fights and many of them - that they haven’t achieved what your asking for! He doesnt look good mentally hes not willing to take one to give one or counter in punching range,whenever a punch sciffs past his face he fills his shorts with smelly sludge You can tell he panics and doesnt keep his composure when someones throwing or landing on him,something which doesnt look good if hes to go in against someone whos going to give him a few slaps Joshuas lost his trading ability which is vital for elite boxers Wlad lost his trading ability and look what happened the first time he came up against someone similar in size who can box at a further range He bottled it against fury and his only chance was too take one to give one and he just didnt have that anymore Same with aj things really dont look good for his chances against fury

Look to fury and how he performed against wallin....yeah he beat wilder but wilder really was an accident waiting to happen. Joshua can fight on the inside , has a left and right and great combination puncher and his footwork is getting better and better and one of the best finishers now in boxing I wonder what the excuses will be when Joshua knocks fury out and end this silly hype talk. I think losing to Ruiz was a godsend because he was starting to think he could walk through anybody and paid the price...I don’t think we will see that kind of recklessness in his future fights. Joshua is best at mid range, I don't think he has developed 'A strong inside game as of yet'. Tyson Fury does have a inside game, but it is extremely messy 'It is the reason why he has spent 80% of his career being banged by most of the fighters he faced'. Anyone who is honest, people who have watched Fury's entire career will know? That he was bashed about routinely in his early career. Note: Tyson Fury's inside game is still a mess 'Fury fought Wilder on the inside, because Wilder has zero inside game'. There are no real heavyweights about these days, that can fight on the inside 'I disagree with the notion, that Tyson Fury is a complete fighter'. Fair enough Tyson Fury gives it a go on the inside 'But no way, is he on the level of Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis I.E Big guys who could fight on the inside etc.

Look to fury and how he performed against wallin....yeah he beat wilder but wilder really was an accident waiting to happen. Joshua can fight on the inside , has a left and right and great combination puncher and his footwork is getting better and better and one of the best finishers now in boxing I wonder what the excuses will be when Joshua knocks fury out and end this silly hype talk. I think losing to Ruiz was a godsend because he was starting to think he could walk through anybody and paid the price...I don’t think we will see that kind of recklessness in his future fights.

I agree, Joshua's a better boxer than his fans deserve. He needs to find a way to attract worth a **** diehards. All there are here is dumb****s with the emotional fortitude of a mouse. Say something stupid then freak out whenever called for it. ****ing lame. Leaves Josh with no half decent representation. Thank god some body like you is here with your purple writing to label all Joshua fans on here in the way that you do. Clearly ppl on here don't say ridiculous salty crap about Josbua on here to wind them up and feel the need to defend him and his accomplishments?

So these negotiations were apparently, really straight forward 'Just a few minor details to sort out etc'. But still no agreement has been finalized. Or maybe Eddie Hearn is waiting to announce the fight in the new year? 24 hours to 1 week, was all they needed to make this fight '2 weeks ago'. Note: Afew days back, I was discussing the negotiations on another thread 'I cannot locate that thread, so I will just post this here'.