Danny Garcia’s situation is odd. He’s not damaged goods, but he can’t turn it up a notch to make himself elite. Danny always fights below the level of his competition and then tries to steal the round at the last few seconds. Angel Garcia was giving him great advice, but Danny just kept doing the same thing he always does, which is catch and shoot off the back foot and put a rally of punches at the last 15 seconds of each round.
He needs a new trainer. I sense lack of motivation. For the last few close losses, his team knew that Danny needs to increase the punch volume. They were never going to beat Spence fighting off the back foot.
Danny Garcia is a salvageable fighter, similar to Miguel Cotto was after a loss to Mayweather and Pacquiao. I think the smart move would be to demote Angel Garcia to assistant trainer and for Danny to go with Freddie Roach or Chepo Reynoso. There needs to be a change of scenery if Danny wants to salvage his career.
At three losses against the elite in the division, Danny has shown to be at the bottom of the food chain. He’s a B+ fighter and that’s mostly due to his chin, power, and his ability to catch and shoot punches, but he’s missing aggressiveness. He can find opportunities in the fight, but doesn’t create opportunities for himself when an elite opponent doesn’t show an opening. A trainer that specializes in combination punching will be perfect for him. Danny sacrifices speed and volume for power - he loads up on his shots and allows opponents to double up on jabs while he loads up. If Danny isn’t willing to demote his father, then he should call it a career.
No, because if Crawford loses, he was just exposed because he never fought an elite fighter. It was all hype. Prior to fighting at welterweight, Danny has fought and beaten some elite fighters, so it’s not the same.
So you say Danny is more proven fighter. I agree actually.
Those are the welterweights of the past and I was just using that as a similar comparison. Not saying that Spence and Thurman are at the same level as Pacquiao or Floyd, but based on what we have now it’s the same.
Yes but using the same token... it’s not a huge deal if you lose to the likes of Floyd and Manny
It’s a different story losing to Spence and Thurman. These aren’t ATGs nor are on a big trajectory in becoming them right now
If you’re trying to make parallels then sure, highlighting Cotto as levels and levels ahead of Garcia (and probably still some distance over Spence etc). I can agree with that
His feet were not the issue in the fight. His work rate was the issue. As he attempted to load up, Spence used that split second to double up his jab and force Danny Garcia to go against the ropes. This completely threw a wrench in Danny Garcia’s game plan. He telegraphs his punches when he wants to be the aggressor, so his only scoring shots are the counters he throws. He can’t create opportunities for himself, he depends on opponents to make mistakes, which is why I believe he needs a new trainer that will polish up his punching technique, so he doesn’t feel like he needs to load up to generate power. You should only load up when you sense your opponent is fatiguing.
Disagree that his feet were an issue. They were. Did he have other issues? Sure, but Danny can't punch on the move and needs to be set to throw. Errol kept sticking the jab in his face and put a lot of mental pressure on him where he had to move more than he wanted to.
I mean they can try another voice in the corner but I just don't see Danny changing who he is as an fighter.
Salvageable?!?! The guy is probably still a top 5 guy in a almost always competitive 147lb division. He's a gatekeeper for the top 3 if he's a gatekeeper to anything right now.
That said he'll be 33 by the time he fights again & we've for sure seen the best of Danny at this point. But it's not really a salvageable or unsalvageable situation as I see it. He's just reached his ceiling at 147. It wasn't the highest spot but being a top 3, top 5 guy at 147 is amazing in itself.
He can be salvageable because he has a chin, power, and his name is still big in boxing. He isn’t damaged goods, but he needs a new trainer. De la Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Maidana, and Sergio Martinez had a second wind after some losses. I think Danny Garcia can do the same.
He's better than AB but he's now 0-3 against the top guys at WW. There's only one top guy left at WW for him and we all know the massacre that would be for Danny.
Funny enough Garcia-Broner or a fight against Mikey would be the only big fights left for him that he might win.
I might be drunk but I thought García beat Porter. I say that as a big Showtime fan.
Cotto lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao
Garcia lost to Porter, Thurman and Spence
Massive difference there. May/PAC are two of the best fighters in the sports history
Those are the welterweights of the past and I was just using that as a similar comparison. Not saying that Spence and Thurman are at the same level as Pacquiao or Floyd, but based on what we have now it’s the same.
Danny is elite fighter, he is 32 and he made millions with style like that.
Will you advise Crawford, who is 33, to get the new trainer, when he finally steps ups and loses
to somebody at 147?
No, because if Crawford loses, he was just exposed because he never fought an elite fighter. It was all hype. Prior to fighting at welterweight, Danny has fought and beaten some elite fighters, so it’s not the same.
A new trainer is not going to help. Danny has fought like this since the amateurs. He actually has picture perfect technique on his shots and is very strong, but can't move his feet as well as other top fighters and isn't always the busiest type of fighters. His game is predicated on counter punching and timing. He was busier against Spence than usual but still wasn't enough.
His feet were not the issue in the fight. His work rate was the issue. As he attempted to load up, Spence used that split second to double up his jab and force Danny Garcia to go against the ropes. This completely threw a wrench in Danny Garcia’s game plan. He telegraphs his punches when he wants to be the aggressor, so his only scoring shots are the counters he throws. He can’t create opportunities for himself, he depends on opponents to make mistakes, which is why I believe he needs a new trainer that will polish up his punching technique, so he doesn’t feel like he needs to load up to generate power. You should only load up when you sense your opponent is fatiguing.
if Mikey doesnt get Pacquaio, I would like to see DSG vs Mikey and I fully expect Mikey to defeat DSG but we can guage what level of beating DSG takes to see where he really at.
hard to rate him vs Errol cause Errol is phenom atm so its hard to guage.
Exactly right. Thurman is the top welterweight who seems on the down hill slide and I would pick Danny to beat Thurman in a rematch.
I agree and even a Porter rematch would be a pick-em fight in my opinion.
If he was to fight Crawford next I would probably put some money on him if the odds were good. I’m not saying he’s a better fighter but Crawford does get hit and he’s not as durable as Errol or Porter. I could see him getting cracked.
No, I am not saying that. But only Spence gave him the real beating.Thanks. I agree the fights with Porter and Thurman were close and not a beating but Spence gave him a beating.
Danny is still a good fighter. He hasn’t declined imo he’s just been by better fighters and the Porter and Thurman fights were both close.Exactly right. Thurman is the top welterweight who seems on the down hill slide and I would pick Danny to beat Thurman in a rematch.
Cotto lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao
Garcia lost to Porter, Thurman and Spence
Massive difference there. May/PAC are two of the best fighters in the sports history
Are you saying he actually beat Porter and Thurman but was robbed? The Garcia family would love you for that because that is what they say. Actually many think he should have lost two other fights that he officially won. A top pro with his experience should not need a confidence builder cherry pick fight.
No, I am not saying that. But only Spence gave him the real beating.
This was the first time he was actually beaten.
He is still world class fighter. I believe he should fight somebody like Josesito Lopez next to get back some self confidence.Are you saying he actually beat Porter and Thurman but was robbed? The Garcia family would love you for that because that is what they say. Actually many think he should have lost two other fights that he officially won. A top pro with his experience should not need a confidence builder cherry pick fight.
The problem I see with Garcia is he really is kind of basic. He doesn't move much at all. This works great against lower level comp, B-, C fighters. It's very 1 dimensional against A fighters.
Put it this way. Can you not see any other fighter doing anything Garcia does, better? Like, literally, everything he does, the A fighters can do better and more. That's what separates them from him.
I also feel he's reaching gate keeper status. Granted, he's not a push over gate keeper. His chin is rock solid and he still has dangerous power so he'll be a dangerous gate keeper for anyone. He'll just never be an "A"lite fighter.
He is a good fighter who beat everybody at welterweight except the top 5 or so best welterweights. I doubt that will change and as older age takes effect he will not be able to beat as many top welterweight as he can now.