'If the athletic American kids chose boxing over NBA/NFL, USA would dominate'

One of them just got iced by a YouTuber Because he didn’t choose boxing over the nba goofy

Nonsense Boxing isn’t very high up on the list of popular sports in most countries. What if all the Russian kids or British were boxing instead of playing ice hockey and football (soccer) or whatever You can apply that theory all over the world Best two heavyweight in the world from a relatively small island with a population 6x less than USA,,so what if all the kids playing football in England had gone into boxing at a young age. People have this big idea that boxing is a huge mainstream sport in England which it’s not . you have a few popular fighters but it’s still very much a niche sport that’s underfunded in communities. Simple google search brother. Boxing is the 5th most popular sport in England and the 8th in Russia. Number 2-4 in Cuba, Japan, Puerto Rico and Mexico. See a theme here? It’s called a correlation. Those countries paint the face of boxing internationally for a reason. Because they are popular in their respective countries. The United States carries the thrown because of our capital, social, and pop culture influence. The United States dictates who’s who. Period.

America has most of the top gyms and promoters in it. I would assume it also has the largest number of active boxers out of any country. Boxrec lists almost 8x as many active American HWs as British for example. And after soccer you still have (at least) rugby taking far more of the UKs athletic talent pool than boxing. Boxing is popular but its definitely not the no2 sport there and probably not no3 either. Theres just always these "ifs" and "buts" when Americans dont dominate something, its pretty obnoxious and tiresome. We'll probably be hearing Americans dont care about MMA soon too considering they only hold 2 of 12 belts in the UFC these days. Boxing is the 5th most popular sport in England and the 8th in Russia. While it’s not even in the top ten in America. We only have the popularity and the benefit of having the largest social and popular culture influence in the world. Per capita, the US puts nothing into boxing. In fact, this bleacher report from 2008 mentions the rapid decline of boxing gyms and programs in the US from the 60-80s to the last two decades. While the rest of the world has had a rapid increase in their boxing program development. https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrEzedxa8RfDKoAn4Bx.9w4;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzcEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1606736882/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fbleacherreport.com%2farticles%2f52173-why-boxing-is-becoming-less-relevent-in-america/RK=2/RS=2mqmA40btVUEg6wFVvPvjeXzmfM-

The argument has always been why the US doesn’t produce too heavyweights anymore.

If boxing in recent years has taught us anything, then it’s really that it doesn’t matter who you are or where are you from. Especially since boxing started having more participation in the pro game from different parts of the world. The two best heavyweights in recent times are Ukrainian guy and a gypsy from England. The best middleweights are a ginger guy from Mexico and another guy who is from Kazakhstan with a Korean mother. The two most iconic fighters of recent times that will go down as greats Mayweather who is a black American and Pacquiao who is a Filipino guy. Not sure why people are always try to create division in boxing. One of the best things about it is that it’s universal and great fighters come from all kinds of places. You're on Karmic rechrge or I'd hit you up again, man. An eloquently made point. If boxing shows us anything it's that ability - or excellence - transcends all the artificial divisions we set between ourselves.

Good boxing can come from anywhere. What makes the difference is investment and training. Kell Brook stated that trainers in the UK are still somewhat behind the Americans. You also tend to find that the brightest prospects in the UK often go to America to train...Fury too found himself with Steward. In regards to cruiser and heavyweight talent being mainly in the NBA and NFL? Maybe. The pay is considerably larger and more evenly spread among the talent pool. The same in MMA in the heavyweight division. The talent pool is slim because people of such size and athleticism tend to find themselves first in the NFL...hell at least two of the top 10 literally came from the NFL. Another thing is I think people are making a little too much of the UK's recent top heavyweights. A year ago today, literally all the belts resided in Mexico and now they're in the UK. Hell, there is a ****ing good chance one of them could be residing in Ukraine next year. Americans need to stop think the US is the centre of the universe. Yes, a lot of top coaching is there and the paydays in Vegas are alluring...but boxing is truly global and there are regions all over the world producing compelling talent. Talent matters more than nationality. Jake Paul washed Nate because he is simply more talented. His sparring footage should make it abundantly clear too.

The exaggerated swagger got the best of him. Can I get an F in the chat for Nate? S and also D (diarrhoea)

Look how insecure these non black Americans are lol. You love to see it. You people really do have inferiority complexes when it comes to black Americans. Leaping to use this Nate Robinson-Paul circus fight as if it makes some type of point is proof is positive. Robinson is 36 5’9 with no boxing experience. He went in the ring at almost 180lbs(he was in no boxing shape whatsoever) against a younger bigger more experienced man who outweighed him by more than 10 lbs. It’s common sense that if the black Americans in the nba and nfl were in boxing that black Americans would dominate the sport even moreso than now. That doesn’t mean that every guy in the nba and nfl would dominate. You people are stupid lol. I don't think every athlete is made to be a fighter though - see Ray Edwards for example - especially see the guy who KOed him. The guy who KOed him looks like he should have had no shot. Having the athletic parts is just one piece to the puzzle. Gotta be tough, etc. Nate and Paul would be a few weight classes apart though if this was the real world. Something like a LHW vs a JMW.

If boxing in recent years has taught us anything, then it’s really that it doesn’t matter who you are or where are you from. Especially since boxing started having more participation in the pro game from different parts of the world. The two best heavyweights in recent times are Ukrainian guy and a gypsy from England. The best middleweights are a ginger guy from Mexico and another guy who is from Kazakhstan with a Korean mother. The two most iconic fighters of recent times that will go down as greats Mayweather who is a black American and Pacquiao who is a Filipino guy. Not sure why people are always try to create division in boxing. One of the best things about it is that it’s universal and great fighters come from all kinds of places.

At the end of the day, if Americans overall got into combat sports there would be no competition. Boxing is not even a top ten sports in revenue generated and they still dominate. Imagine if we didn’t have 100s of thousands of kids going into football, baseball, and basketball. It would be a wash. Nonsense Boxing isn’t very high up on the list of popular sports in most countries. What if all the Russian kids or British were boxing instead of playing ice hockey and football (soccer) or whatever You can apply that theory all over the world Best two heavyweight in the world from a relatively small island with a population 6x less than USA,,so what if all the kids playing football in England had gone into boxing at a young age. People have this big idea that boxing is a huge mainstream sport in England which it’s not . you have a few popular fighters but it’s still very much a niche sport that’s underfunded in communities.

What I’m saying is that many of these countries literally have money and programs pumped in boxing whereas America really doesn’t. Think about Mexico for example. Boxing is like their second biggest(by popularity and even revenue) sport after soccer. The same can be said about most countries including England. America has most of the top gyms and promoters in it. I would assume it also has the largest number of active boxers out of any country. Boxrec lists almost 8x as many active American HWs as British for example. And after soccer you still have (at least) rugby taking far more of the UKs athletic talent pool than boxing. Boxing is popular but its definitely not the no2 sport there and probably not no3 either. Theres just always these "ifs" and "buts" when Americans dont dominate something, its pretty obnoxious and tiresome. We'll probably be hearing Americans dont care about MMA soon too considering they only hold 2 of 12 belts in the UFC these days.

:lol1: Well, yes, if America had more boxers then you'd have more success. Ain't rocket science. Thing is you can say the same for anywhere else... if you crunch the numbers you'll find that boxing success (in terms of titles won by nation) is roughly equal across the major boxing nations adjusted per boxing capita. America has most titles but it also has most registered pro boxers by a margin, Mexico next*, then the UK in rough proportion. The newer boxing Nations (mainly the former Soviets) tend to be a bit top heavy but that's a consequence of elite Ammies turning pro without the broad base of regular club and national level pro fighters below 'em that you find in the devloped boxing countries. There's nothing intrinsic in American genetics or in the air or water of your great land that makes people better fighters, man, people from everywhere can fight. *EDIT: Just checked and that seems to have turned around since last year, in fact the # of registered pro boxers in Mexico seems to have almost doubled (from roughly 2200 to over 4000) since I checked last year, which is an eye opener but might be down to a huge influx of guys without any income due to COVID same as there was a huge increase in the #s of US boxers during the great depression era of the late 1920s and early 1930s. Interesting social phenomenon that. For similar reasons Nicaragua always has a massively outsized number of boxers per capita and punches well above it's weight in the boxing world... in fact much of boxing has alway been driven by the economics of necessity. Needless to say the vast majority of fighters driven into the sport to basically keep a roof over their head or eat ain't gonna be of any great quality, but a tiny fraction will and so I wouldn't be surprised to see the consequences of these greater numbers filter to through to Mexican success in a few years. Be interested to see how that plays out. Good post and a respectful response. So rare nowadays. Just wanted to clarify, I’m not saying Americans are the most dominant but they hold the cards and dictate a lot in the world of boxing. Of course Mexico is probably the second most influential in the sport. What I’m saying is that many of these countries literally have money and programs pumped in boxing whereas America really doesn’t. Think about Mexico for example. Boxing is like their second biggest(by popularity and even revenue) sport after soccer. The same can be said about most countries including England. What we know is that wherever the focus and intention of money is-that’s where we will see be developed. Eastern European countries and Cuba pump tons of money into boxing and Olympic sports and thus you see the results and the numbers reflect accordingly. It’s not that anyone is better genetically per say, just that you need funding to develop kids. I always use the example of my parents country Jamaica. They have 2.5 million people and the country is the size of Brooklyn and Long Island combined. They DOMINATE track and field. Why? Well they literally use a big portion of their budget to fund track programs in every single school. And it shows on the world stage. Finally, my main point was that if America put nearly as much money and resources per capita as these other countries, there would be no question. Especially because the kids here also get a melting pot of styles coming up. But football, baseball, and basketball take most of our kids that would otherwise be able to go into boxing. Think about all the linebackers we have that could be in the heavyweight division lol.

Keep acting like Jake Paul is not American who already stopped 2 Brits and would beat KSI This makes absolutely no sense considering Nate Robinson had ZERO Boxing experience and it showed!

Look how insecure these non black Americans are lol. You love to see it. You people really do have inferiority complexes when it comes to black Americans. Leaping to use this Nate Robinson-Paul circus fight as if it makes some type of point is proof is positive. Robinson is 36 5’9 with no boxing experience. He went in the ring at almost 180lbs(he was in no boxing shape whatsoever) against a younger bigger more experienced man who outweighed him by more than 10 lbs. It’s common sense that if the black Americans in the nba and nfl were in boxing that black Americans would dominate the sport even moreso than now. That doesn’t mean that every guy in the nba and nfl would dominate. You people are stupid lol.

quite a stupid and childish thinking, you have to have the trainers and schools to teach those black kids, do you have that BASE to lean on, do you have them trainers from colleges and universities who knows boxing and learn it from different schools all over the world?

yes totally. GGG was in with comparable fighters and Nate who was an athlete all his life was in with a comparable fighter. both with no experience Ok :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Are we meant to compare a 36 year old trained boxer, who boxed most of his life to a 36 year old basketballer who was having his first ever pro fight against a YouTuber with 2 fights? yes totally. GGG was in with comparable fighters and Nate who was an athlete all his life was in with a comparable fighter. both with no experience

but nobody makes the 36 age excuse for GGG when he actually beat canelo the first fight Are we meant to compare a 36 year old trained boxer, who boxed most of his life to a 36 year old basketballer who was having his first ever pro fight against a YouTuber with 2 fights?

The man is 36..... but nobody makes the 36 age excuse for GGG when he actually beat canelo the first fight

If Chinese didn’t play ping pong or badminton and boxed instead they would take over every division under 200... hahahahah that is a good one b ut there are gigantic chinese guys also