We've seen many top fighters in tough fights and cut or injured and they seem to adapt and protect the injury..... when they are top fighters.
DDD walked onto a heavy jab which stopped him...... his angle and position was all wrong, and he was trying to win an orthodox jab-game he'd been losing the whole fight while fighting with only his right eye!!??
DDD needed to get in close and trade, or keep the angle so he was trying to land with his right-peripheral........ what he was doing stooping down low and trying to over-reach on the left jab is beyond me.
Ring IQ was not there....... I thought DDD should have stepped back and tried to counter Joyce at times but he was trying to jab off the front-foot.
Thoughts?
I honestly thought DDD had the power and speed to take Joyce but I did not account for the lateral movement, Joyce's chin, ability to slip punches etc etc etc :rofl:
Great fight though!
Seems to me you don't know what you were watching pal. Joyce was clearly outlanding and outscoring Doobwah round after round. Doobwah's head was getting snapped back a lot more than Joyce's. Any highlights are going to show DDD getting his head jabbed off. Not only do you not know you Irish history, but appears you don't know much about Boxing either... too much Irn Bru for you laddy, try a few glasses of water next time. :lol1:
Were Carl Frampton and David Haye not knowing what they were watching.... LIVE?
Get a grip.
You were scoring the jab and I was also scoring DDD's jab and the times he caught Joyce MASSIVELY and forced him back and then unloaded more power shots on him..... clean.
Been watching boxing all my life, I'm only giving my personal opinion and they are shared by experts and pro's.
You are not the arbiter of judging boxing my man...... the fact you think you think you are is laughable.
How about we talk boxing without the insults......... or will I just stick you on ignore with the rest of the idiots?
He had power and speed but its become clear that if he can't impose his will and control over his opponent he can't adjust himself or defend himself.
He looked green, he looked like he has got used to putting his opposition in to some sort of survival mode and isn't used to fighting somebody who can give as good as he gets.
I think he's a good fighter but I'm a hit disappointed in his lack of self preserve and defence smarts.
But then I thought Joyce fought very well. Slow slow hands but accurate, good work rate and a great nasty jab.
He did try for 80% of the fight......... can't say he didn't try as the fight was pretty even on a round-by-round scoring criteria, DDD actually winning his rounds more convincingly.
Your sentiment is right though...... Joyce ate, slipped his punches and kept coming...... the injury and fatigue made him go "NO MAS!"
I think he can come back though but I'm not sure you can teach him ring IQ at this point.
No traps, no counter-punching, no taking a breather or adapting........ he needs to go back and fight some British and and then European for a while.
Maybe the fight does wonders for him....... Joshua looks to have dealt with defeat at the top level and moved on....... there is no reason why DDD can't go onto being a terrific and fearsome boxer.
He was disheartened by his power shots not moving Joyce, his bust eye&nose, fatigue etc
Loads at ringside had DDD up at the time of the stoppage......... I also believe DDD won his round much more clearly than Joyce.
Joyce ate a lot of power shots man.... lets be real. BT sport coverage gave every close round to Joyce and still had DDD up as he was unloading on Joyce and catching him in those rounds.
How Joyce walked out of that ring looking unbruised I just don't know?
I hope someone makes a compilation video of Joyce getting his head snapped back and eating shots........ he's resilient as ***** honestly :rofl:
Seems to me you don't know what you were watching pal. Joyce was clearly outlanding and outscoring Doobwah round after round. Doobwah's head was getting snapped back a lot more than Joyce's. Any highlights are going to show DDD getting his head jabbed off. Not only do you not know you Irish history, but appears you don't know much about Boxing either... too much Irn Bru for you laddy, try a few glasses of water next time. :lol1:
He had power and speed but its become clear that if he can't impose his will and control over his opponent he can't adjust himself or defend himself.
He looked green, he looked like he has got used to putting his opposition in to some sort of survival mode and isn't used to fighting somebody who can give as good as he gets.
I think he's a good fighter but I'm a hit disappointed in his lack of self preserve and defence smarts.
But then I thought Joyce fought very well. Slow slow hands but accurate, good work rate and a great nasty jab.
Meh, its nothing particularly compelling. Dubois had clearly been spoonfed and I have a feeling that dropping Joshua in sparring may have gotten to he (and the media's) heads. People need to understand that sparring is sparring though and, if anything, I'm beginning to lean on being dropped during it as being a good sign rather than a bad one. Its where you ply your craft and get a chance to quit without being seen quitting. It also lets you get a chance to get pummeled with no one seeing. I spar regularly with a world champion muay thai fighter who pressure fights like Joe. The sessions are literally horrific in terms of how much they destroy your confidence. It genuinely seems like Dubois had never really been in with someone who wasn't remotely intimidated by him.
Hindsight is 20/20 but I always fancied Joyce's chances. He just has a far better experience taking on superior opponents. Dubois has spent too much time fighting Japanese binmen and its come back to haunt him. Against a seasoned pressure fighter like Joyce you need to match him at his bull****, put together combinations and keep moving laterally and up the body work. I saw none of that from Dubois tonight. He's a nice guy but I've noticed the guy has ****ing no IQ, either boxing or kinda in general. He needs to go on a journey of self actualisation because I dont think he really knows why he's boxing.
Daniel Dubois' behaviour from the opening round was very odd. Face marked up quickly and was obvious he didn't know what to do when shipping punches instead of dishing them out. Literally looked shellshocked in there. Joe Joyce systematically broke him down. Dubois was gassing and was starting to take more punishment into the championship rounds. Would put this on a par with David Price vs. Tony Thompson. DDD looks great when steamrolling journeymen. The scorecards show that the fix was in in Dubois' favour too, one judge had him 8 points up!
Loads at ringside had DDD up at the time of the stoppage......... I also believe DDD won his round much more clearly than Joyce.
Joyce ate a lot of power shots man.... lets be real. BT sport coverage gave every close round to Joyce and still had DDD up as he was unloading on Joyce and catching him in those rounds.
How Joyce walked out of that ring looking unbruised I just don't know?
I hope someone makes a compilation video of Joyce getting his head snapped back and eating shots........ he's resilient as ***** honestly :rofl:
Joyce has a great chin but I guess it would be fair to question if Dubois does have great power
I mean it’s not like he’s stopped good names or anything.
He can obviously bang but most decent punches would’ve stopped the fighters that he did.
I guess we would need to see him in more fights with good opponents before we can say he has excellent power or just solid power
He has power, that much is obvious.......... whether he times or uses correctly is the question.
Being fair to the young laddy............ he landed some punches on Joyce that I honestly believe waste most HW's.
Second round he caught him with multiple power shots and I thought "here we go" DDD was getting a stoppage........ but Joyce rode that one, slipped the next one.
Disheartened DDD.
Daniel Dubois' behaviour from the opening round was very odd. Face marked up quickly and was obvious he didn't know what to do when shipping punches instead of dishing them out. Literally looked shellshocked in there. Joe Joyce systematically broke him down. Dubois was gassing and was starting to take more punishment into the championship rounds. Would put this on a par with David Price vs. Tony Thompson. DDD looks great when steamrolling journeymen. The scorecards show that the fix was in in Dubois' favour too, one judge had him 8 points up!
Good on you as I thought the fact Joyce was upright and DDD tended to stoop low would favour DDD for the right-hand counter....... it actually favoured Joyce walking down an even smaller guy bending his knees and just throwing loads of jabs lol........ busted DDD up good within 3 rounds.
Have to credit Joyce's slipping, lateral movement and chin for that though....... most HW's would have been KO'd by DDD tonight make no mistake.
Joyce has a great chin but I guess it would be fair to question if Dubois does have great power
I mean it’s not like he’s stopped good names or anything.
He can obviously bang but most decent punches would’ve stopped the fighters that he did.
I guess we would need to see him in more fights with good opponents before we can say he has excellent power or just solid power
Yeah, I made multiple posts on here saying Joyce had better feet than people realise and it will be a factor in this fight and, his feet and jab were a big problem for the DD who is a big static target for a jab like that.
It’s not really good to call fighters quitters but so many fighters have had worse injuries than that and refused to go down and accept being counted out like that.
So whether protecting an injury is a skill or not, you can only protect an injury if you’ve got the bottle to fight on with the injury ...and he didn’t.
Good on you as I thought the fact Joyce was upright and DDD tended to stoop low would favour DDD for the right-hand counter....... it actually favoured Joyce walking down an even smaller guy bending his knees and just throwing loads of jabs lol........ busted DDD up good within 3 rounds.
Have to credit Joyce's slipping, lateral movement and chin for that though....... most HW's would have been KO'd by DDD tonight make no mistake.
Zero ring IQ, your left eye is close and what do you do? Jumped into a left jab again. Then instead of buying time, he took a knee to be counted out. He should have buy a bit of time, hold after the restart, and get his corner to pull him out. For him to say no mas might hurt him in his future.
Yeah...... there's always the chance you can step up and start swinging and go out on your shield.
That has hurt him as the highlight of him taking a knee for the 10 count will always be there in peoples minds, other fighters calling it out etc
Yeah, I made multiple posts on here saying Joyce had better feet than people realise and it will be a factor in this fight and, his feet and jab were a big problem for the DD who is a big static target for a jab like that.
It’s not really good to call fighters quitters but so many fighters have had worse injuries than that and refused to go down and accept being counted out like that.
So whether protecting an injury is a skill or not, you can only protect an injury if you’ve got the bottle to fight on with the injury ...and he didn’t.
Zero ring IQ, your left eye is close and what do you do? Jumped into a left jab again. Then instead of buying time, he took a knee to be counted out. He should have buy a bit of time, hold after the restart, and get his corner to pull him out. For him to say no mas might hurt him in his future.