So Wilder Did Turn Down an AJ offer....

Holy shlt, can life please go on ? If he did, so what ? If he didn't, so what ?

This is all a lie and the reason why it’s a big head scratcher how the OP who sided with guys like you couldn’t put common sense together ,it’s really not hard even if we went back to the Finkle cancelled meetings ,wouldn’t this be a clue ? If Wilder wanted to fight AJ why did he decline to step in the ring with him at Wembley in 2017 ? Why did Wilder reject the contract Finkle received the same contract he claimed was fair ? No see like the current presidency where Trump has lost this legally but wants to claim legal action will be taking because he doesn’t want votes counted its game over . It’s game over for Wilder in general. You guys are the Republican Party on here ,a bunch of liars and whiners. There’s insurmountable evidence against the entire Wilder team so much they even fired guys trying to make the fight ,you really have to be a twisted individual to still be riding with AJ didn’t want the fight that I find it hard to believe you are an adult because people with decent education wouldn’t be arguing this at this stage now . Ha P.S . A.Js loss to Ruiz did not lower his value it actually gained him world wide popularity. And pushed his biggest payday in the rematch . If AJ wanted to fight Wilder, why not fight Wilder for $50 million in Las Vegas in 2017? He said he didn't want to fight here in America back then. Y'all know it https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2018/05/22/anthony-joshua-will-turn-37m-fight-deontay-wilder-us-insist/\ Anthony Joshua will turn down £37m to fight Deontay Wilder in the US and insist it takes place in Britain Anthony Joshua Anthony Joshua wants the fight to take place on home soil Gareth A Davies, Boxing Correspondent 22 May 2018 • 1:30pm Anthony Joshua is ready to turn down a £37million offer to fight Deontay Wilder in the USA by insisting their world heavyweight unification bout takes place in the United Kingdom. Joshua's promoter, Eddie Hearn, told Telegraph Sport that a final decision over the staging of the fight will be finalised in the next three weeks. But Hearn said that Joshua, holder of the WBO, IBF and WBA titles, should be allowed to have home advantage against Wilder, of Alabama, who holds the WBC crown.

I doubt he ever really had much of a clue what was going on behind the scenes anyway. It is all on Haymon, Finkel etc controlling and manipulating him. I think Ortiz is another guy who got screwed over by management too which is why he never gets any good fights when hes not being sparked out by Wilder, its not that hes trying to duck people because i'm sure he'd like the money and opportunities.

I'm far from defending Wilder, I think he is an absolute saggy ball sack. But not for 1 minute do I believe he turned down a number of legitimate and decent Joshua offers cuz he was scared. He turned them down because he is controlled by Haymon and Finkel without him even realising it. This is my view as well. Wilder is simply a pawn for Haymon to maintain his contracts with Showtime and FOX. All the PBC fighters don't seem to realise that their individual careers are of no concern to Haymon. It is all about PBC and its contracts and the fighters can suck it because they painted themselves into such a corner that they have no options to go to Top Rank or Matchroom.

I'm far from defending Wilder, I think he is an absolute saggy ball sack. But not for 1 minute do I believe he turned down a number of legitimate and decent Joshua offers cuz he was scared. He turned them down because he is controlled by Haymon and Finkel without him even realising it.

As an American boxing fan who has been by Wilder since the beginning, I must admit to being wrong. It's almost like being gracious in defeat. Very shocked & disappointed by Wilder as of late. That was $100 million for 3 fights man. I was wrong. We were wrong. That is my apology to my British cousins across the pond. Dude, Joshua aint wanna fight until he had already seen Wilder get taken 12 by Fury and had seen his own value go down due to getting beat down by Porky Pig. Hearn & AJ aint slick. They had 3 years from 2016-2019, where they wanted nothing to do with him. They're just kicking Wilder while he's down like everyone else.

The $100m dazn offer situation was a duck... but here's what got me - Wilder was on $1m a fight. Got offered $5m for Dillian Whyte. Why didn't Wilder just trust Eddie Hearn and at least work with matchroom on this? Why was he so disgusted with Whyte? come on man, if a top Welterweight is offered $5m for a fight vs a C level Welter, they'd jump at it. Back then $5m for a HW fight was a big deal. AJ didn't get that much fighting Whyte for example. Wilder demanded $8m at the time instead...obv knew he won't get it. Then he fought Ortiz for $2m. Claiming ortiz is 'the second best HW in the world'. This is the same as the aj/fury situation 'i was offered more to fight Whyte, but fought ortiz instead' but why? fight someone 'better' (in his opinion) for a lot less? bizarre. Then he was offered $12.5m for AJ, but later fought Fury for $5m and once again said 'im fighting the second best HW in the world'. - he did make aj a $50m email offer with 24 hours deadline, without any contract or information/terms provided. Blatantly this was a fake/dodgy offer because they refused to meet with eddie, insisted 'aj must say 'i accept' before we send the contract'..knowing he would never do that. You had finkle telling Dan Rafael that there's NO rematch clause if aj loses (but there would be one if wilder lost). No date or venue (how ironic) given either. Later after taking the Fury fight, Frank warren claimed he'd seen the contract because bt sports would have fronted the money...and that it was guaranteed $80m with a rematch. Blatant contradiction. WHY didnt the wilder fans wake up at this point? - then they accepted a new $15m offer, finkle publically accepted it and said they are waiting for a signed contract. they waited weeks and then came out and said 'its a scam, it doesnt have AJs sig' By that time, Canelo vs GGG was announced (with Espinoza's full knowledge). He asked AJ/Wilder to get moved to october so as not to clash with canelo vs ggg (2 superfights in the same month wouldnt work). owing to the change in weather from september (we have a late english summer) to october (when we get heavy rainfall as we have right now), Eddie has to change the venue from Wembley to a closing roof stadium, the Principality stadium in Cardiff, with an 80k capacity. This gave team wilder a brand new excuse 'no date no venue'. Since espinoza was involved and knew about canelo vs ggg when it was in the works, he obv told team wilder how NOT to make the fight. Espinoza fked up bigtime. He knew Dazn were new players, he had AJ vs Wilder in the bag..and decided to mess people around, not defend AJ and protect the fight. it would have been a showtime ppv and would have done huge numbers. He lost that fight and has since blamed AJ for not taking the $50m offer to detract from the fact HE fked up. He should have set up canelo vs ggg for october instead since that would be in an indoor arena in vegas anyway. Espinoza, Finkle, Lou Dibella and Al haymon they all fked up. All that yet its ultimately down to Wilder not taking the fight. Reality, he has the worst resume of any wbc champ ever.

The $100m dazn offer situation was a duck... but here's what got me - Wilder was on $1m a fight. Got offered $5m for Dillian Whyte. Why didn't Wilder just trust Eddie Hearn and at least work with matchroom on this? Why was he so disgusted with Whyte? come on man, if a top Welterweight is offered $5m for a fight vs a C level Welter, they'd jump at it. Back then $5m for a HW fight was a big deal. AJ didn't get that much fighting Whyte for example. Wilder demanded $8m at the time instead...obv knew he won't get it. Then he fought Ortiz for $2m. Claiming ortiz is 'the second best HW in the world'. This is the same as the aj/fury situation 'i was offered more to fight Whyte, but fought ortiz instead' but why? fight someone 'better' (in his opinion) for a lot less? bizarre. Then he was offered $12.5m for AJ, but later fought Fury for $5m and once again said 'im fighting the second best HW in the world'. - he did make aj a $50m email offer with 24 hours deadline, without any contract or information/terms provided. Blatantly this was a fake/dodgy offer because they refused to meet with eddie, insisted 'aj must say 'i accept' before we send the contract'..knowing he would never do that. You had finkle telling Dan Rafael that there's NO rematch clause if aj loses (but there would be one if wilder lost). No date or venue (how ironic) given either. Later after taking the Fury fight, Frank warren claimed he'd seen the contract because bt sports would have fronted the money...and that it was guaranteed $80m with a rematch. Blatant contradiction. WHY didnt the wilder fans wake up at this point? - then they accepted a new $15m offer, finkle publically accepted it and said they are waiting for a signed contract. they waited weeks and then came out and said 'its a scam, it doesnt have AJs sig' By that time, Canelo vs GGG was announced (with Espinoza's full knowledge). He asked AJ/Wilder to get moved to october so as not to clash with canelo vs ggg (2 superfights in the same month wouldnt work). owing to the change in weather from september (we have a late english summer) to october (when we get heavy rainfall as we have right now), Eddie has to change the venue from Wembley to a closing roof stadium, the Principality stadium in Cardiff, with an 80k capacity. This gave team wilder a brand new excuse 'no date no venue'. Since espinoza was involved and knew about canelo vs ggg when it was in the works, he obv told team wilder how NOT to make the fight. Espinoza fked up bigtime. He knew Dazn were new players, he had AJ vs Wilder in the bag..and decided to mess people around, not defend AJ and protect the fight. it would have been a showtime ppv and would have done huge numbers. He lost that fight and has since blamed AJ for not taking the $50m offer to detract from the fact HE fked up. He should have set up canelo vs ggg for october instead since that would be in an indoor arena in vegas anyway. Espinoza, Finkle, Lou Dibella and Al haymon they all fked up.

It takes a man to admit they were fooled. It takes a fool to continue to admit they weren’t fooled when the person doing the fooling is telling you he was fooling you all along. Even when we forget the DAZN deal that his fans cried out for, he was offered more money to fight Whyte and Joshua. Turned both down but in a very sneaky way. He tried to do the same thing now with Fury, but Fury is less hated than Joshua was. He came out when he knew Fury had an opponent lined up, since August Fury was calling him out, calling him a coward and telling him to step up. 6 weeks ago Fury was on the phone with Shelly telling him to find him any date for that fight with a venue, so they knew what they were doing, they didn’t want the Fury trilogy just like they never wanted Whyte or Joshua for whatever money they were offered. It’s just this time no one with a brain believes that lighting is striking TWICE apart from his LDBC/PBC cultist. I remember how Wilder fans and Hearn/AJ haters used Wilder vs Fury as evidence that, "Deontay will fight anybody", so it must have been AJ doing all the ducking and lying. Fury even said the same thing himself, and now he's finding out what a lying con artist Wilder really is.

As an American boxing fan who has been by Wilder since the beginning, I must admit to being wrong. It's almost like being gracious in defeat. Very shocked & disappointed by Wilder as of late. That was $100 million for 3 fights man. I was wrong. We were wrong. That is my apology to my British cousins across the pond. Apology accepted. Everybody is wrong sometimes, but not everybody will admit it when they are.

It takes a man to admit they were fooled. It takes a fool to continue to admit they weren’t fooled when the person doing the fooling is telling you he was fooling you all along. Even when we forget the DAZN deal that his fans cried out for, he was offered more money to fight Whyte and Joshua. Turned both down but in a very sneaky way. He tried to do the same thing now with Fury, but Fury is less hated than Joshua was. He came out when he knew Fury had an opponent lined up, since August Fury was calling him out, calling him a coward and telling him to step up. 6 weeks ago Fury was on the phone with Shelly telling him to find him any date for that fight with a venue, so they knew what they were doing, they didn’t want the Fury trilogy just like they never wanted Whyte or Joshua for whatever money they were offered. It’s just this time no one with a brain believes that lighting is striking TWICE apart from his LDBC/PBC cultist.

It’s not that difficult to see what PBC has been doing. It has nothing to do with Wilder, and everything to do with Haymon’s plan.

not the biggest fan of wilder but maybe it was some badly planned business decison by taking out Fury they could smell blood after his first 2 'warm up' fights after so long out that way they would leave Hearn and AJ in a position where Wilder was the only super fight and they could dictate the terms more anyway it all went south once fury rose from the dead then bodied him in the rematch

More than once.

As an American boxing fan who has been by Wilder since the beginning, I must admit to being wrong. It's almost like being gracious in defeat. Very shocked & disappointed by Wilder as of late. That was $100 million for 3 fights man. I was wrong. We were wrong. That is my apology to my British cousins across the pond. I've been massively disappointed with Wilder since the loss. Tyson Fury is my fave fighter, he has been since 2011, but Wilder is one of my fave fighters. I love watching him, always want him to win (except against Fury) I would have been rooting for him against Joshua. I don't support boxers for nationality, I support those I enjoy watching and listening too. But these excuses are way too much and illogical. I think Fury is the only man who beats Wilder, but I think Wilder finds it hard to accept not being the best, as he truly believed he was. He needs to get a couple of big names beaten, like Ruiz, Hunter, Usyk, then target Joshua after Fury beats him twice (imo) I'd take Wilder to win all of those fights, if he did, that would hype the third fight with Fury, which I believe he again would lose heavily, but he always has a punchers chance.