Canelo-GGG fights film study

I don't ever criticize GGG's skills, techniques, or Ring IQ. In boxing, we discuss gameplans. In fact some fighters their whole career fight the same style... Take Gallo Estrada...amazing and entertaining fighter to watch, but imo basic if you compare that style to Canelo Alvarez. Circumstance and context is everything in prize fighting. Judges absorb that which is natural. The judges know who they were and what to expect. It's not even a big deal. I enjoyed the fight. I felt it was a glorified sparring session. that's good for the sport for new gen to watch and learn from, or preparing for a rematch. Both GGG and Canelo delivered one of the best rematch series of the last decade. Imo far better than Ward vs Kovalev. Referring to P4P elites going at it. A lot of it is preference too, not bias. If GGG and Canelo fought exactly the same, as some other fighers do, then it'd be a different scenario. Both GGG and Canelo showed skills and Ring IQ at the upper echelon level. Canelo's movement was entertaining to watch just like GGG's movement in trying to close the ring. If you like just jabs then that's all you. If you like countering and power punches along with movement then that's all me. Context is everything. It was GGG vs Canelo If you like just jabs? You actually said that? Golovkin landed plenty of other punches and Canelo landed numerous jabs in that second fight. The fact of the matter is Canelo's power punches did not hurt Golovkin or force him out of the center of the ring in the rematch and Canelo got out landed in the majority of the rounds.

If Canelo's power punches didn't ''deter'' then why couldn't GGG close the ring on Canelo. Closing the ring EFFECTIVELY means you land points on each CLOSING assault. Hence ''closing.'' Closing the ring are pressure fighters whom usually break down their opponents whom can't fight back and are getting hurt. That's the essence of closing the ring. Elites also know how to deter those closing the ring by setting up counters and timed shots. That's what Floyd enjoyed to do because he knew distance in every inch of the ring. Golovkin respected Canelo's power which is why he didn't go to the body. That's simply because Canelo is faster to counter. that is why, GGG just fought behind a jab but was getting reciprocated with better shots from Canelo. don't get angry that it was a fair Draw. Do you even know what a jab is? It's a scoring punch. Is one of the most effective and usefull punches in boxing. Compubox to the detriment of boxing has taken it upon themselves to seperate it from other punches which they termed power punches. It makes no difference to them if the power punches don't deter the opponent, hurt him or stop him from advancing. It takes skill and intelligence to consistantly land jabs on another highly skilled opponent who is bent on not getting hit. Canelo implemented the wrong game plan in that first fight which his corner corrected in the rematch. If both men land punches and neither one is visably hurt or intimidated by them then the punches count the same.

First one was a Draw. Posts like yours, even though you have a right to your opinion, really stir GGG diehards. What GGG diehards and Canelo fans need to realize is that a majority of judges or the nature of judges help evaluate compubox theory. Sure fans complain about compubox, but it can't always be applied to every fight nor the same circumstances. For example high volume workrates in guys like a Santa Cruz once upon a time or a Figueroa Jr. whom would do an onslaught of punches would have a narrative of ''out worked'' their opponents (and landing) by 3:1. That's what GGG diehards and Canelo haters try to apply with the Canelo vs GGG fight. Golovkin landing 1/3 shots whom is usually an accurate puncher, and those shots were all just jabs. So GGG diehards use a failed excuse to apply ineffective work rate and accuracy and simply go by jabs landed. Imagine if Canelo just threw jabs for all his power shots. It would look like a jab contest. This is the circumstance and context that the judges weigh and what was expected. Moretti had it close. Had Moretti had 1 swing round to Canelo then there would've been two cards a Draw. Had Trella had 1 swing round to Canelo then Canelo would've won a split decision or vise versa. This is what GGG diehards don't understand about a close fight. You judge how to swing it from 114-114 to either fighter. Notice how no GGG diehards or industry even mention that nor the names of Moretti or Trella. Instead, they deflect to Byrd to create an instance that her vote made a difference. She couldve had it 115-113 for Canelo and it would've still been a Draw. Fans get too emotional they don't know how to score fights. It was one of the most enjoyable fights, but fans don't respect the outcome of a Draw because they're not looking to how a balance of voting works for a decision. Their second fight was even better, different, stylistically, and a bigger war. It proves benefit of doubt to both fighters in the first fight. That's it! The fact that their performances were significantly better shows that the judges expected more from them in the first fight. GGG missed a lot of shots trying to close the ring on each corner on Canelo. Canelo rolled with many shots, ducked, reset, went backwards in a loop over and over again each round. Casuals don't understand how hard that is. Canelo was able to keep GGG at distance every time in the fight. That's where GGG was expected to make it a close quarters fight when his ring cutting didn't work. And again, Canelo didn't do enough to win. Neither did. I wouldn't even be angry had GGG won since Golovkin didn't dominate Canelo for what was to be expected. GGG diehards know that but insist in amateur tallying for missed shots or activity vs the more composed and sharp fighter. Who cares how hard it is to slip punches. He wasn't landing enough punches. Why would Golovkin engage in a shootout when Canelo was on the ropes. All he had to do was stay outside and throw enough punches to keep Canelo from coming forward hit him with stiff jabs and mix in some power punches. Canelo's corner was telling him to stay off the ropes because they could see as most people could that Canelo was more effective off the ropes. His fight plan was a disaster. Go back and watch the first fight again. Canelo gave away too many minutes of too many rounds moving backwards and staying on the ropes slipping shots and not punching. As far as critiquing Golovkin's use of the jab goes at least he was in an offensive posture. Who the heck wants to see two guys backpedaling in the ring for 12 rounds. This isn't amature boxing. The problem is that you are the one that doesn't understand boxing. Moretti and Trella have been critisized numerous times on the forum for their scoring of the first fight.

A ton of people in this forum are not actual boxing fans, there's alot of trolls, haters and supporters from certain ethnicities, and even specifically certain promoters, and as soon a fighter loses (robbery or not), they will support the guy who has the boxing lobby, politics and media on his side, that just shows extremely weak character. They wont be able to answer your question. GGG dominated the first fight and thats at an age where he was already past prime at 35+, 2nd fight he was even older and still gave the supposed best P4P fighter hell, most people had GGG winning or a draw as can be seen in my signature. Just imagine a prime GGG, age 30, at the time he fought his first couple fights in the US vs Canelo. There's a reason he started to create his own weight classes, took PEDs, made every excuse possible and even dropped his belt to avoid GGG. Now he is actually suing DAZN and his own promoter because they told him to fight GGG again. What a clown.

I can find more rounds. I Just dont feel the need to watch the fight again. Round 6 also And whats weird about blood leaking? If your bleeding. Within 3 rounds and you didnt get headbutted. That means punches did it. Abel sanchez in the corner during the 2nd fight tells me that me and him were watching the same fight. GGG was getting touched up in the first half of the rematch But you have to score what GGG was doing too...and people seem to always ignore his (very easy to score, clean, hard) punches that land, round after round. Canelo did some good work early, but GGG was in every round basically. As I said I have never had one round in either fight where I come away and say 'clear Canelo round'

Leaking blood....really. Man y'all hype up some weird stuff What were your punch count numbers in that round? I will rewatch and give mine. Iirc that was definitely a close round and Canelo landed the better combo I think, but overall punches landed was virtually identical. I can find more rounds. I Just dont feel the need to watch the fight again. Round 6 also And whats weird about blood leaking? If your bleeding. Within 3 rounds and you didnt get headbutted. That means punches did it. Abel sanchez in the corner during the 2nd fight tells me that me and him were watching the same fight. GGG was getting touched up in the first half of the rematch

Canelo won both fights. Out boxed ggg in fight one made him look stupid, the crybaby cried so canelo then whooped him like a step child. The cry baby cried out the ring again

in your dreams.... Just in my reality, and many many others

I saw Canelo lose twice. GGG is a bad matchup for him. GGG almost got beat on my card by Derevy though, so he isn't perfect either. But definitely is 2-0 vs Canelo. in your dreams....

Yeah but the reality is that your fan types will cease to exist since nobody complains about GGG vs Canelo, only the generation that followed it. The fight itself will have new fans and new gen that weren’t suckered into GGG like his prime generation. Canelo will be the more studied fighter. Canelo fought impressively. He fought loose as one would in sparring and having fun. Yes Canelo was spent in that fight but threw the punches that count and his compubox showed it. All GGG did was throw a jab with a significant more missing ration than landing, and of course, no body work in that fight whereas Canelo had the better movement, flexibility, rope a dope, all styles shown. When are time is gone, Canelo will still be looked at as legend for that fight. Don’t jinx your grave and become a lost bitter ghost hust because you don’t understand majority votes and the nature of three judges. Moretti and Trella had it closed. Bringing up Byrd alone isn’t even technically possible for a “robbery.” I saw Canelo lose twice. GGG is a bad matchup for him. GGG almost got beat on my card by Derevy though, so he isn't perfect either. But definitely is 2-0 vs Canelo.

Round 3...2nd fight. GGG was leaking blood after just 3 rounds Just watched it again. GGG outlanded him by at least 5 punches there, but Canelo landed a couple good body shots, one late. Was a tight round. But as far as landing more, definitely was GGG. Tried to only count shots I knew landed clean, but I don't see how with any metric you could say Canelo landed more there. I had it about 14-9 for GGG. And GGG throws more, so if we give credit for 'maybes', his lead probably only grows. What was your count?

The funny thing is, I made 2 threads today at virtually the same time. I had 2 thoughts pop into my head - 1) was remembering that line from Antonio Tarver to RJJ, and what a great line it was. So I made a thread about that, and about their fight. And what level each guy was at for that fight. Then 2) in another thread, the Canelo-GGG fight(s) got brought up, as they do seemingly in every thread. I asked the question that I asked in this thread, and wanted to make a thread about it, as I have yet to find a round like that myself. But it is nice to see all the deflecting from the question in this thread. Interesting enough, there is no deflection in the other thread, just debate. Imagine that....

#CaneloRuinsLives Canelo is a great fighter. I like him. But he didn't beat GGG when they fought. He isn't active enough. I like how you, and everyone else who is salty about the thread, doesn't answer the question at all though lol. Says it all really.

Rounds 1 & 12. In which fight? Can you watch again and let me know your counts, in either round? I will watch again as well and give mine.

Round 3...2nd fight. GGG was leaking blood after just 3 rounds Leaking blood....really. Man y'all hype up some weird stuff What were your punch count numbers in that round? I will rewatch and give mine. Iirc that was definitely a close round and Canelo landed the better combo I think, but overall punches landed was virtually identical.

All I know that GGG was not the monster y’all made him to be. He lost to Canelo and that’s that. Officially lost yes. In reality, no. Lol. That’s not how you score boxing. Judges don’t tally. They go by the better overall round and the 4 criteria. If you think the 4 criteria is synonymous to 2 lazy jabs over a body shot you’re dead wrong. ;) First, punches landed are just one of several criteria for scoring a round. Second not all landed punches are created equal. Judges give more credence to power punches than simple jabs. Canelo landed the cleaner more effective punches. Hence why BBB sides face looked fkd up after the fight while Canelo looked like he just finished a light workout. What does any of that have to do with my question about Canelo and landing more punches in any round? Of course the impact of the punch matters greatly as well. No one is denying that; I mention that all the time, and even mentioned it in this thread. Generally speaking though, the way to a 'clear round' is by landing more punches, and landing the better punches in a round. If someone can show me a round where Canelo did both of those, that will be a first in those 2 fights. Man, this particular group has taken this pretty bad. There’s a few GGG fans (from the Canelo fights) and Pac fans (from the Floyd/JMM KO) that might genuinely need therapy. I’m a fan of both of those fighters but come on guys. I don't recall anyone really caring too much about the results in the GGG-Canelo fights, even right after they happened. When you fight Canelo, you expect the robbery, so it is what it is. I certainly never cared. At least GGG got paid and got his chance to shine. Could have done better but he still won both. Now some people are having a hard time with Loma's recent fight, but I'm not one of them. Never really considered myself a 'fan' of his anyway, though he is undeniably great. It is funny though, how asking a boxing question on a boxing forum, you guys try to skew as some sort of whining. Idgaf who officially won those fights. The topic was brought up in another thread, and I realized that every time I've asked that question, I've never gotten an answer. I'm asking if there is one round where Canelo outlanded GGG by more than 2 punches. If you have one, share it. If not then stfu and move on to a thread you may have some interest in posting in, or may have some knowledge in.

Can someone find one round in either of those fights where Canelo clearly outlanded GGG, by say 2 or more punches? And I'm talking about how many punches you actually counted, not compubox. I've asked that question before, in other threads when commenting on how I scored the fight, and no one has ever pointed that out. Obviously you can still win rounds when you get slightly outlanded (or even greatly outlanded, rarely), and many rounds in both fights had similar punch landed numbers, which means those 10 rounds or so are usually split. But again - Can someone find one round in either of those fights where Canelo clearly outlanded GGG, by say 2 or more punches? Round 3...2nd fight. GGG was leaking blood after just 3 rounds

We’re super sensitive? You’re crying about an old ass fight! He lost!!!! Get over it bro ...I'm talking boxing, on a boxing forum. Asking a question about two of the 10 biggest fights in the last decade. Trying to see how people scored them, what they were scoring etc. I was having a discussion in another thread about the fight(s), and just remembered that whenever I've asked where Canelo had a round like that, no one has ever been able to mention one. So I made the thread, and no one has still mentioned one

Professional judges aren't interested in amateur scoring and limited punch selection when it's a major prize fight for the top 5 P4P, especially when the judges know exactly who GGG and Canelo are. Moretti could've easily had a swing round for Canelo and there would've been two 114-114 cards. Byrd's card is irrelevant if people want to say that females can't score. Majority vote only needs 2 Yeah judges look at the effect of the punches. Canelo's so called power punches couldn't deter Golovkin or hurt him. Pro judges are supposed to look at that and not buy into the hype.

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