The combined record of GGG, Kovalev, and Lomachenko in P4P fights is 0-6-1

GGG's record vs Canelo twice: 0-1-1 Kovalev's record vs Ward twice: 0-2 Kovalev's record vs Canelo: 0-1 Lomachenko vs Lopez: 0-1 (Note: title should say 0-5-1). Before these fights, their combined record was 81-1. Then they went from 81 wins, 1 loss, to 0 wins, 5 losses (plus a draw). It almost seems like the size of your ethnic fanbase in the US, and the long, prohibitive distance it would take for fans from eastern europe to fly in to Vegas just for a fight, has a direct correlation with a boxer's ability to perform when facing boxers representing the two most popular, most lucrative demographics in American boxing, black American boxers, and Hispanic boxers. Either that, or it's just strange voodoo that these guys look otherwordly on the way up, to the point where many say they would at least be competitive with the best in history in their divisions, only to, without fail, lose the first time they face a more financially marketable fighter from their own era, not even from other eras! "People just said that because they overrated these guys," you could say. Ok, fine. I'm fine with devil's advocate. But 0-5-1 type of overrated? And not 0-5-1 vs Sugar Ray Robinson. Oh no. We're talking 0-5-1 vs a Teofimo Lopez who arguably lost to Nakatani just a year ago. We're talking 0-5-1 vs a Canelo who could barely touch Mayweather, a welterweight, who was hurt vs Liam Smith at 154, who was fading badly late vs Angulo at 154, who had trouble with an aging Miguel Cotto at 154, who could not knock out a drained Julio Cesar Chavez Jr at 164.5, who had already been knocked out HEALTHY by B-level Fonfara at 175, only for Kovalev, a much better and more powerful light heavyweight than Fonfara, to be knocked out by Canelo at 175. He struggles vs B-level guys at 154. He can't knock out drained, B-level super middleweights like Chavez Jr at catchweights. But Sergey Kovalev at 175, no catchweight? Good night. We're talking Andre Ward who was badly hurt by Darnell Boone at 168, who was hurt by Paul Smith at a catchweight, who felt Carl Froch's power at 168, but other than a flash knockdown where Kovalev halfway missed the punch and only connected with the padding (hmm), Kovalev couldn't put a hurt on him. If the business of boxing really has nothing to do with it, and they went 0-5-1 in those fights for no other reason than they were not as good as the opponent in the ring that night, then they weren't just overrated, they were next level, unprecedented, overrated.

Comments (6)

GGG did the best. I think he clearly beat Canelo in the 1st fight, and the 2nd one could have gone either way. Kovalev beat Ward in the 1st fight, but got stopped in the 2nd, so not as good overall. I was thinking that Loma would do the best, and was shocked to see how he preformed last night. Big surprise for me.

5y ago

ramses07

not reading ur story - ggg robbed against canelo twice - loma robbed agains lopez and salido should have been DQ'ed - kovalev robbed first fight and was hit in the balls the second fight geez, I can only imagine what your reality is like good luck with the rest of your life.

5y ago

TheBoxGod

The top level - the elite level is a whole 'nother level of skillset and intangibles or as Floyd Mayweather puts it "Special Effects". The Eastern Euro fighters get great at fundamentals but only fundamentals theirs no Special Effects incorporated to their style none of them have any special effects, even the flashy-ish of them "THE MATRIX Lomachenko" has no special effects he just does fundamental pivots, fundamental side steps and fundamental distance control, but he has no special effects its just Fundamentals at the very peak level but when that fundamental style meets someone with some "Special Effects" that can match their fundamentals they get lost and conquered. Hence tonight from round 8 or so Lomachenko's corner had no answers so they told lomachenko to just keep throwing combination, why? because the odds are if you let your hands go something gotta land and might make something happen, this is the same coaching they give lower level fighters i.e. Robert Garcia to Brandon Rios "just get inside and keep throwing" because odds are something gotta land and you can make something happen if you land the right one. So the p4p#1 (in some books) fundamental style was reduced to "just keep throwing and lets hope something land" when matched against a fighter with matched fundamentals but with the addition of some special effects. Boxing is not rocket science, if you throw a jab that means your hand is not covering that side of your chin at that very moment and you can get hit on that side of you chin. you know that and your opponent knows that, the only question left is who can register that info and execute to it first and that To me this is like 2+2=4 simple shit aka fundamentals, Special effect is like if you are out of range but explode into range with a lead left hook to catch someone on the chin when that someone couldn't even phantom before that you can hit him from where you were at. That is special effects, now your opponent has to defend/be weary of a possibility outside of fundamentals possibilities where the equation is unknown to both parties as opposed to being known as with fundamentals i.e. you throw a jab, he knows your chin is open so do you etc etc...

5y ago

Jubei

People like you are the reason why boxing is struggling as a sport and why so many boxers dont take risks. Whats the combined record for P4P fights for Crawford, Spence, Tank Davis, and all the other PBC guys? 0-0, since they are to afraid to face other elite fighters. You are not a boxing fan, you're a piece of shi..

5y ago

Boxing_Logic

not reading ur story U should def read my post. I know if I was someone else who had watched the fight, I would want to read this post if I hadn't written it myself. A lot of boxing fans spend hrs reading comments only to read the same things over and over, mostly troll bait. They only go thru that cuz theyre looking to find that rare, sincere post with a unique perspective. In my humble opinion, that's what I tried to do with this post.

5y ago

Boxing_Logic

And May-Pac also ended the same way, with the more marketable, American, fighter winning. One day it's a no show for the first 6 rounds like with Loma-Lopez. The next day it's a "shoulder" controversy like with May-Pac. The next day it's "Kovalev didn't have a long enough layoff, plus the delay starting the fight really hurt him." The next day it's, "Canelo uses undetectable steroids, but not GGG... right..." There's always some excuse. Some storyline for fans to grab onto to explain why the fight always goes in such an illogical, strange way... and yet, always in the same direction, seemingly... like, how come Floyd or Canelo, or any money man, never injured his shoulder and lost the fight as a result? And speaking of injured shoulders, if Lomachenko really had a ruined shoulder since the early rounds vs Linares, how come he can beat Jorge Linares with 1 shoulder, but not Teofimo Lopez with 2? LOL. Lopez is that much better? He's an entire shoulder better than Linares? And how come a shot Yuriorkis Gamboa can go almost 12 rounds with Tank Davis on a torn ACL? A torn f**king ACL? Are you f**king kidding me? I mean, wtf is going on here, really.

5y ago