So Charlo clearly beat Sergei...

it was a 12 round fight 7-5. Sorry, One round above a tie. 115-113

Filling out the cards beforehand would suggest that the boxers are told what to do for their rounds? Lol Obviously you don’t know what you’re looking. It’s not unusual that many of you don’t understand what swing rounds are. A two piece combination to the body an elite defenseman like GGG gets your more points than landing 4 jabs. You’re also not factoring that the judges aren’t balancing points like Pong. Two jabs will never surpass a good hook to the face or body. So again, swing rounds are common practice. The judge has the right just like the fan does. And there you have the logic of a man who tries to skew the judging criteria to suit whatever his fighter is doing. If Canelo lands more jabs? Wow look how effective that jab was. He won the round with it. If Canelo lands more body shots? It's all about the body shots, of course. Everyone knows that. If Canelo avoids more punches, well you have to score defense, you know that. Point being that when you score a round you are scoring the punches that land and their effectiveness. All the other stuff you mention is just noise. If I land 12 good punches on you and you land 10 good punches on me, I win that round almost every time. Only exception would be if you scored a KD on me, or if your punches were somewhat more effective on a punch by punch basis, and thus you did more 'damage' in the round.

compubox is and has always been trash. It's never accurate. Even in fights that are one sided. We don't use compubox to justify why someone won a fight. Compubox is someone pressing a button when what looks like a punch landed. It's been proven for years. Would you see any value in a similar system based on using slo-mo replays? Not for scoring fights, but rather for analysis and just for the sake of interest? These dudes here do that, and whilst I can't actually vouch for the validity of their counts, one of the guys who runs it used to post on here and seemed very sincere about wanting a credible source for punch statistics, although it was a good few years ago since I spoke with him: https://boxstat.co/ https://twitter.com/box_stat?lang=en https://www.facebook.com/boxstat/

It was close. I had it one round for Derev but it could have gone either way. Lots of close rounds. Not mad at the decision. it was a 12 round fight

100% agree on the bolded & I think that's one of the dumbest things compubox did when they came up with the whole genre of punch stats. Power Punches would be better labeled as non-jabs or go a lil deeper & label all the punches, uppercut, hook, straight & note head or body. That would detail things better & probably enlighten fans even more on what's impressing the judges. One thing I'd like to see in the future is a microchip put in gloves that could measure the power of each punch impacting each fighter. That could really give you a good take on who was winning & in theory that could look very video game-ish which I think people would understand better & enjoy. Great post, some very good ideas.

Let's Make All Punches Matter Again - MAPMA ! MAPMA ! :headbang:

. Compubox is someone pressing a button when what looks like a punch landed. It's been proven for years. Yeah man, I told them to stop hiring that guy with the neuro-twitch in his finger. He's messing the counts all up...

As a fan of punch stats first off I gotta say, All Punches Matter! That said it's more complicated than people wanna make it out to be. While you could pinpoint the winner of probably ~95% of fights that go to decision just by looking at who landed more power punches in more rounds it's not THAT easy all the time. Sometimes those jabs when they are as dominating as they are in some fights + it don't hurt when it's coming from a guy with some pop in his jabs, & for full disclosure I had GGG & Charlo both winning, close the distance on rounds & can make overall punches landed in a round win the day or just make power punches less likely to win the round. Or that's my take on it as a fan of punch stats who isn't one of these weirdo haters who think it's just a video game score type stat where the most landed punches should equal the winner. Good post man. Yeah obviously we have to quantify the effect of each punch, and not just simply tally up who landed more overall punches or jabs or power punches. I like compubox because I think more or less they usually get it right, and they help to paint a picture of what is happening. I never really loved the designation of either jabs or power punches. I almost would have preferred more of a breakdown, or just simply jabs/other punches. Scoring anything other than a jab as a 'power punch' just feels misleading. The average power punch is probably harder than the average jab, but there are definitely some jabs that are more of a power punch than a listed 'power punch.' And jabs almost always land cleaner than a 'power punch' from my view. Making them easier to score.

was it close or a gift? I missed the fight fam. I saw the other Charlo stoppage with the body shot tho that look funky as hell with no crowd reacting to it lol. It was close. I had it one round for Derev but it could have gone either way. Lots of close rounds. Not mad at the decision.

I didn’t watch either of those fights. I watched this one and he got his ass beat. He was rocked multiple times and got busted up really bad. You can minimize Jermalls performance if you want. It’s your prerogative. It's a fight. Guys get punched. You score the punches for each guy. You then score the rounds as you see those punches unfold. Derevy had a really rough fight but so did Charlo. And at the end of it I felt Derevy won more rounds. He may have taken more damage but it was relatively close there.

What did I miss? He had bad swelling over one eye and a OK size cut on the other? He is a guy that marks up on the eyes, it is what it is. That's not how you score fights. By that logic, GGG dominated Derevy (which he didn't) and dominated Jacobs (which wouldn't be the right word for that fight either). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVOjMD5QDNY This is him after GGG and he certainly didn't get dominated in that fight either I didn’t watch either of those fights. I watched this one and he got his ass beat. He was rocked multiple times and got busted up really bad. You can minimize Jermalls performance if you want. It’s your prerogative.

You call that marked up? He looked like a slab of meat in Rocky. What did I miss? He had bad swelling over one eye and a OK size cut on the other? He is a guy that marks up on the eyes, it is what it is. That's not how you score fights. By that logic, GGG dominated Derevy (which he didn't) and dominated Jacobs (which wouldn't be the right word for that fight either). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVOjMD5QDNY This is him after GGG and he certainly didn't get dominated in that fight either

Lol what rounds did you give each guy? His face was marked up but idk about a tremendous beating. Y'all are something else. Like the stuff y'all hype up, I just don't get it at all. You call that marked up? He looked like a slab of meat in Rocky.

He gets my respect. He took a tremendous beating last night and made it out alive. But he didn’t win the fight though. Lol what rounds did you give each guy? His face was marked up but idk about a tremendous beating. Y'all are something else. Like the stuff y'all hype up, I just don't get it at all.

According to you Golovkin has never lost a fight, so I'll take what some troGGGlodyte with a grain of salt over what I see happen with my own eyes. Maybe when he officially retires you guys can do something useful like actually watch other fighters. Maybe you'll actually learn how to score stuff that isn't stuff Golovkin needs to do to win fights only. But I doubt it, you'll either hang off the nuts of some other eastern euro or you'll stop watching boxing altogether. Either way I'll be here to hand you your bottle when you start crying again.:bottle::bottle::bottle::bottle: Why are you so emotional though lol. Yeah I haven't seen him lose a fight. That's not some crazy opinion. He has never been outlanded in a fight. The only time it was close with punches landed was with Derevy. And what do you know, that was a close fight and his closest fight. I had it 6-6 live and 7-5 for GGG on rewatch. I don't know if you know this 'Glenn'...but punches landed is a big part of who wins a fight. Crazy isn't it. You obviously have a serious anti-GGG lean, and I'm sure you hate some other fighters just as strong, and probably love others just as strongly. You're a fan, enjoy it. But as emotional as you are, I mean why would anyone take your analysis seriously. You're like a spoiled child.

Side note - I just watched the actual fight. I have no idea what some people are seeing with saying Charlo dominated or even dominated with the jab. He hardly scored throughout the fight. Was definitely in the fight though but it was close. Sergei gets 0 respect lol He gets my respect. He took a tremendous beating last night and made it out alive. But he didn’t win the fight though.

Man, its sad what happened to the GGGtards since the second Canelo fight. They wander aimlessly in woe, lost, looking for purpose until the time comes to return home, turn on the tv and hum to each other hymns of servitude when the time comes for Golovkin to give his disciples' lives' meaning when he goes up against might of the likes of the mighty Kamil Szeremeta. I mean there are a lot of people out there who don't know how to score fights. But if anyone gave Canelo 6 rounds in either fight, they just have no idea what they are looking at, or worse, are just filling out their cards beforehand. You seem like one of the latter. Idgaf who wins a fight, except that the better man on the night should get his hand raised. And I definitely dgaf if GGG officially 'won' either fight. I and most others saw him win both lol. And he got paid very well for his troubles and his zeroes. That's how it works in boxing. Anyone saying any different is dealing with a room temperature IQ Glenn.

compubox is and has always been trash. It's never accurate. Even in fights that are one sided. We don't use compubox to justify why someone won a fight. Compubox is someone pressing a button when what looks like a punch landed. It's been proven for years. And sometimes, probably more often than not, the people pushing the button get it more or less right...A lot of times the numbers back up what I see, round by round, so I will use them in those cases. GGG-Canelo fights, GGG-Jacobs come to mind.

I'd say usually compubox gets it more or less right. Citing those numbers when they back up what you see is helpful, as it pretty much says 'hey this is why I scored this fight how I did - guy A outlanded guy B by 10 punches in this round, that's about what I saw. That's a clear round.' But yeah I don't always co-sign what compubox says. Charlo-Derevy is a good example actually. And Horn-Pacman too. That fight was much closer as far as punches landed than what compubox showed. Originally I posted those numbers to playfully mock those who said Canelo clearly beat GGG and Charlo clearly beat Derevy when they fought opposite roles with (seemingly) similar punches. Punches do matter, but yes the punches YOU count matter, not compubox. compubox is and has always been trash. It's never accurate. Even in fights that are one sided. We don't use compubox to justify why someone won a fight. Compubox is someone pressing a button when what looks like a punch landed. It's been proven for years.

please don't ever post compubox numbers as to why someone won a fight. It's been proven that system is bs. It's never been accurate and the count is always off. If you want to argue why someone won a fight, cool, but using compubox stats is not the way I'd say usually compubox gets it more or less right. Citing those numbers when they back up what you see is helpful, as it pretty much says 'hey this is why I scored this fight how I did - guy A outlanded guy B by 10 punches in this round, that's about what I saw. That's a clear round.' But yeah I don't always co-sign what compubox says. Charlo-Derevy is a good example actually. And Horn-Pacman too. That fight was much closer as far as punches landed than what compubox showed. Originally I posted those numbers to playfully mock those who said Canelo clearly beat GGG and Charlo clearly beat Derevy when they fought opposite roles with (seemingly) similar punches. Punches do matter, but yes the punches YOU count matter, not compubox.