Do you think Wilder's power is less impressive than guys like Mike Tyson or George Foreman due to the fact that most of his fights are actually boring until he lands that right hand KO?
With Tyson for example even before he landed his KO he was an interesting fighter to watch duck and weave and peak-a-boo and then he landed the shot/s.
With Wilder is it that he's got no foreplay before the KO, so that takes away from the enjoyment of his fights when he does land.
His skills are hard to see so go under appreciated. When lots of people in this foum can't see what is happening, how can you expect a normal guy to understand? The average guy don't care about what he doesn't understand and don't bring lots of action. Wilder fights heat up in the second half but it can be already over by then
lol the brits try to act like they are so much better than everyone but all you do is try to tear down fighters who are rivals of your guys, it literally becomes your life and daily goal, find some way to destroy the character and accomplishments of other professional boxers because they are rivals
I suppose that’s right. But I do wonder how Ruiz would go against Wilder. He’d have to go right at him and go hook happy.
Thats what ive been saying for a while--get inside , attack , and stay there--you cant sit outside because that right hand is coming from distance sooner or later
Wilder seems genuinely like a good guy. But his public persona is so scattershot, so all-over-the-map that he makes it hard to fully occupy a place in the popular imagination the way we wish a heavyweight champ could. One day he's being sweet, talking about his kids and his wife. Then he's talking about "wanting a body" on his record. Then hollering "BOMBZ SQUAD" after every remark. And then the ringwalk masks. It's a lot for anyone to absorb, difficult to parse. Without some degree of consistency, or cohesive narrative, it's going to be tough for Wilder to break through to the mainstream public for sure.
Plus, as others have noted - his boxing is dull to watch. With other fights, I'll say it for Tyson, he had the KOs but he also had speed, head movement, and throwing in combination. His talent for KOs fit right alongside his talent for other boxing skills, and those skills could be seen and appreciated by casuals. For Wilder, this isn't the case. His skill at KOs doesn't fit within a body of other skills - it's an outlier, and while it can be an exciting outlier, there just isn't much else to generate excitement during his fights.
100% spot on .
Wilder dropped or Ko'ed each and everyone of his opponents. He may have never beat a prime heavyweight in your book, but he certainly dropped some prime chins.
You can continue to delude yourself if it comforts your insecurities however.
He coudn`t even drop Duhaupas.
It is less impressive because beating old guys doesn`t mean much. And stopping guys like Washington, Szpilka doesn`t mean much.
Wake me up when Wilder beats a prime heavyweight.
Wilder dropped or Ko'ed each and everyone of his opponents. He may have never beat a prime heavyweight in your book, but he certainly dropped some prime chins.
You can continue to delude yourself if it comforts your insecurities however.
It is less impressive because beating old guys doesn`t mean much. And stopping guys like Washington, Szpilka doesn`t mean much.
Wake me up when Wilder beats a prime heavyweight.
I suppose that’s right. But I do wonder how Ruiz would go against Wilder. He’d have to go right at him and go hook happy.
Everybody that opens up to Wilder gets put down. Ortiz got confident in the last fight, started to get more offensive and went down. The few times that Fury stood his ground a bit or stood still he went down twice.
Ruiz has fast hands once close and Wilder does not have a good inside game. If Ruiz can swarm with head movement and angles he can cut the distance.
Do you think Wilder's power is less impressive than guys like Mike Tyson or George Foreman due to the fact that most of his fights are actually boring until he lands that right hand KO?
With Tyson for example even before he landed his KO he was an interesting fighter to watch duck and weave and peak-a-boo and then he landed the shot/s.
With Wilder is it that he's got no foreplay before the KO, so that takes away from the enjoyment of his fights when he does land.
I support wilder.. but i think no one relies on their power in boxing as much as he does.. and for good reason
Yes he does get the knockout.. he did against ortiz but reallly seriously there are a lot of better ways to land that hell of a right hand earlier without looking like a complete bum in the process..
I think what you said is true at a certain extent
Prime Pac doesn’t have one punch KO power but is so much respected For his power because of how he breaks down opponents
Wilder just sits back trying to find range for that right hand. He is good in trying not to make a fight. Unless he gets pressure it is a boring fight with his low output.
But with all that said he still finds a way to land it and to drop his opponent. There is a reason not to go right at him and that right hand can land at any point in the fight
I suppose that’s right. But I do wonder how Ruiz would go against Wilder. He’d have to go right at him and go hook happy.
Wilder is must see because he is a lights out puncher but also because on the surface of it all, he’s tall but he’s a small heavyweight. Routinely giving up 30 pounds.
He’s not a young man. He’s 34. There was always this perception that if he wanted he could be a 230-40 pound heavyweight of solid muscle but he can’t.
He’s not built like that. He’s a greyhound, lean and mean. But with that I still feel in his fights someone at some point will hurt him but in the same breath knowing he could send them to Mars with one punch. And then the added spice is that he’s been roundly outboxed several times already. So the whole thing is just compelling.
The proof is in the pudding though and we’ve only seen Wilder in bad trouble once. But you just look at him sometimes and just think surely this guy can’t hold a massive shot.
Mike Tyson was torturing is opponents, he had a menacing look and attitude that seemed all so natural. His fights could of ended via once punch knock out, or a prolonged beat down where? The viewer witnessed, ribs and eye sockets being broken. People noses being snapped and purposely pushed up into their brains 'Violence all around'.
Deontay Wilder is knocking guys out, but he is not really beating them up 'Ortiz's defeat was not really a career ending defeat' where as Mike Tyson's win against Razar Ruddock probably damaged him for the rest of his career.
There is a element missing within Deontay Wilder, that in my opinion does not make him worthy enough of being the baddest man on the planet 'I don't think he has a intimidating aura, and I really don't think his opponents are afraid of him'
Story about Mike Tyson, 10 minute mark and onwards etc
I think it’s just due to his low level of oppositions for too many years, that made a lot of people not interested in him.
I mean Tyson was unifying in only his second title fight with Ruddock (If I remember correctly), Wilder hasn’t had a single unification in 4/5 years.
And it doesn’t matter how anyone tries to sugarcoat it, you cannot blame every single one of the other champion in that time.
Wilder’ down team did him a severe disservice, turning down multiple offers for him to actually fight a live body, and when he took a risk it was against a fighter that was coming out of a two years inactivity (With drinks/drugs/and obesity to deal with).
Wilder just sits back trying to find range for that right hand. He is good in trying not to make a fight. Unless he gets pressure it is a boring fight with his low output.
But with all that said he still finds a way to land it and to drop his opponent. There is a reason not to go right at him and that right hand can land at any point in the fight
Tyson has that intimidation factor that was marketed really well meanwhile deontay Wilder in order to be intimidating has to look like a super shredder. Tyson also looked the part; muscular thick strong mean looking and Wilder is a tall dude with chicken legs.
So was Tommy Hearns. And no one ever questioned the Hitman's 'intimidation factor'.
Black Americans. That's all you care about. Everyone that has been here a while knows it.
Zero defence? All these years watching boxing and you can't see ****.
Getting up against Klitschko, getting up multiple times against Ruiz is no heart?
You're a clown. Wilder is a clown. It's dumb ****ers like you that lower the US IQ average.
Black american is a nationality not a race
Yes 0 defense, guy has no defense..only defensive moned boxer is Fury to be honest
Why did he even get dropped by a 41 year old coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff??? NO DEFENSE....Fury had 0 issues with him
Say what you want about Wilder, i dont know the guy at all..and you dont know me..stop getting so emotional over a guy who doesnt even know you exist
One punch power is completely different to what the other fighters mentioned did.
The only way to compare would be to put them on one of those punch measuring things you get in arcades.
And what would that prove? Because hitting arcade machines isn't boxing.
There's a reason why the fighters mentioned didn't rely on one shot, and it's not necessarily because they couldn't. It's because they didn't need to rely on one shot. They could box, and find a knockout shot. You wouldn't rely on one shot unless you had to.
The counter argument is that, so far, it's worked for Wilder. Fair enough, but I'm not convinced it works reliably enough in big fights against top level fighters.