Deontay Wilder is the #1 heavyweight in the world according to Boxrec

He should be, especially after Fury's performance over Wallin and no one should ever take Andy Ruiz seriously.

Ruiz deserved to be number 1 at the time, but Wilder now deserves to be number 1 based on the points system.

Fair enough. But why recognize the IBF then? Or even the WBA for that matter? I wish the sport had revoked recognition of the IBF after the bribery scandal. For a while, Arum was trying to replace the IBF with the IBA and people forget a lot of big Top Rank PPV fights were for the IBA belt during this period. Arum is the reason the IBF gained recognition to begin with in the 80s, he's the reason the WBO gained recognition outside of the UK and he tried like hell to get the IBA recognized. Bob Arum is the #1 reason we have so many belts in boxing. With that said, the IBF did clean up their act and they are now, by far, the most fair and honest of any of the organizations. So while I totally understand someone refusing to recognize them, at this point they are clearly one of the one or two most credible belts in boxing. The WBA super championship fiasco the last 20 years has been a disaster and I would love for people to stop recognizing the WBA. Like the IBF, the WBA was exposed for rampant bribery. The WBO was created by the leader of the WBA's bribery ring. I'm fine with ignoring all three of them. All that leaves is the WBC. The only organization without a bribery scandal. The WBC is corrupt like the others. The WBC plays favorites like the others. But one thing the WBC has always had going for it is that the Sulaiman family was independently wealthy before they got into boxing. The heads of the WBA, IBF and WBO used their positions in boxing to enrich themselves, but the kind of low level bribery going on is peanuts to the Sulaiman family, which were millionaires many times over before ever getting involved in the WBC. That's why you never saw a bribery scandal in the WBC. In the WBA or IBF, you could buy a top ten ranking for less than a thousand dollars in some of the lower weight classes. Sulaiman got into boxing because he was a huge fan, not to make money. He wasn't going to waste his time trying to hustle for a few grand to corrupt his ratings the way the others were.

That is until the winner of Ruiz Vs AJ

Three world titles is enough. Every time the UK has tried to pretend that a bogus belt is really a world title, I've refused to play along with the charade. First it the WBO, then the WBU, then the IBO. UK broadcasters treating these belts as real world titles when nobody else in the world recognized them. The fact that the WBO decades later finally gained reluctant acceptance elsewhere doesn't mean I have to recognize it. None of the legendary fighters I admire held the title. Nobody in the sport considers it equal to the big three titles. Do you know why the WBO even exists? Bob Arum went public to expose all of the bribes that were being paid to the WBA. The man who was receiving all of the bribe money got kicked out of the sport after Arum exposed him, so he started the WBO so he would have a way to start taking bribes again. I refused to recognize it in the 80s and I see no reason to recognize it now. Fair enough. But why recognize the IBF then? Or even the WBA for that matter?

Why have you never recognized the WBO, though? Three world titles is enough. Every time the UK has tried to pretend that a bogus belt is really a world title, I've refused to play along with the charade. First it the WBO, then the WBU, then the IBO. UK broadcasters treating these belts as real world titles when nobody else in the world recognized them. The fact that the WBO decades later finally gained reluctant acceptance elsewhere doesn't mean I have to recognize it. None of the legendary fighters I admire held the title. Nobody in the sport considers it equal to the big three titles. Do you know why the WBO even exists? Bob Arum went public to expose all of the bribes that were being paid to the WBA. The man who was receiving all of the bribe money got kicked out of the sport after Arum exposed him, so he started the WBO so he would have a way to start taking bribes again. I refused to recognize it in the 80s and I see no reason to recognize it now.

These clowns will be in agreement when boxrec bumps the Joshua-Ruiz winner to #1, which will happen. Won't you? Clowns set yourselves up all the time because you don't think. :lol1: why would they be #1? Wilder is the longest reigning one

I don't really follow boxrec. I find I usually disagree with their rankings when I do go there. IMO Ruiz would be #1, wilder #2, Fury #3, AJ #4, Ortiz #5. I think Ruiz win over AJ is better than any of Wilder's wins. If you have Fury ahead of Wilder I understand that.

You might need to rewatch round 7, it was an easy Fury round. Fury only landed 5 punches the entire round. He tried to steal the round with razzle dazzle, but he wasn't actually landing anything. Wilder out landed him, was the aggressor, and landed the more powerful blows. You must be counting blocked or missed punches if you gave that round to Fury.

I don't see how you can be no1 based on being outclassed time after time and losing rounds and being no1 just cos you ko people.? By that logic Floyd shouldn't have been no1 as he only outpointed people and never koed anyone. Floyd was always pfp no1 even though there was a time pac was stopping everyone.

They also have Usyk over Fury...:puke: Their system is based on an algorithm, not reality It once had Eubank Jr rated higher P4P than Chocolatito when Eubank was coming off a win and Chocolatito had lost a fight It’s just how the algorithm calculates their points system.

I'm curious to see what you'd think if you watched the fight again, but this time on mute. The first two rounds, Fury landed 2 more punches per round than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score those two rounds however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 3 is clearly Fury. Rounds 4, 5 and 6, Fury landed 1 or 2 more punches per round than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score those three rounds however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 7 is clearly Wilder. Rounds 8, Fury landed 1 more punch than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score the round however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 9 is clearly Wilder, by a two point margin. Round 10 is clearly Fury. Rounds 11, Fury landed 1 more punch than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score the round however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 12 is clearly Wilder, by a two point margin. Over the course of the fight, Fury landed 1 more punch landed per round than Wilder, but Wilder scored two knockdowns and was the clear aggressor. In very close rounds, judges often give the benefit of the doubt to the guy trying to fight and not the guy trying to run. We can debate whether that's fair, but boxing has always been that way. I scored the fight a draw, as did one of the judges. As did many ringside experts. I can totally understand scoring the fight for Fury, but to think anybody got schooled in that fight is a bit naive. You might need to rewatch round 7, it was an easy Fury round.

why is there any debate about it? Because most know Fury beat Wilder Fury didn’t look great in his last fight but that’s always been the case in his career. The fact is he and Wilder fought less than a year ago and pretty much any honest person knows Fury won If we’re just gonna ignore gifts, then we as fans deserve the corrupt sport we get As bad as the Ring magazine can be, they rightly have Fury as number 1 on the basis he really won.

I've never recognized the WBO, WBU, IBO, etc. Why have you never recognized the WBO, though?

They also have Usyk over Fury...:puke:

I am not a UK fan. I thought Fury schooled him. I'm curious to see what you'd think if you watched the fight again, but this time on mute. The first two rounds, Fury landed 2 more punches per round than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score those two rounds however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 3 is clearly Fury. Rounds 4, 5 and 6, Fury landed 1 or 2 more punches per round than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score those three rounds however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 7 is clearly Wilder. Rounds 8, Fury landed 1 more punch than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score the round however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 9 is clearly Wilder, by a two point margin. Round 10 is clearly Fury. Rounds 11, Fury landed 1 more punch than Wilder. Wilder was the aggressor and landed the more powerful blows. You can score the round however you want, but nobody was schooled. Round 12 is clearly Wilder, by a two point margin. Over the course of the fight, Fury landed 1 more punch landed per round than Wilder, but Wilder scored two knockdowns and was the clear aggressor. In very close rounds, judges often give the benefit of the doubt to the guy trying to fight and not the guy trying to run. We can debate whether that's fair, but boxing has always been that way. I scored the fight a draw, as did one of the judges. As did many ringside experts. I can totally understand scoring the fight for Fury, but to think anybody got schooled in that fight is a bit naive.

They have Usyk ranked higher than Fury on a HW list? For two reasons: "The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months - and to even less in proportion to a longer time period of inactivity" "The rating points are in relation to a weight division. The rating points are converted with the cube of the upper weight limit ratio of the old and new weight division."

I'm curious. Why didn't you include the WBO in your screen name and avatar? I've never recognized the WBO, WBU, IBO, etc.

I am not a UK fan. I thought Fury schooled him. Nah bra, you're a Brit. If you give a UK fighter any credit whatsoever in any context, you're British. This is how I came to understand in my 30s that I'm actually British despite being born and raised in the U.S. to American parents. It's easier to understand if you have the brain of a malnourished squirrel with HPV

Wilder has by far the best resume of any HW