what is wrong with new boxing fans these days... ?

they are extremely vocal, despite seeming TOTALLY disconnected from the sport willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total stupidity no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example... Serious question for those who don't like GGG/his resume I think I've asked a variation of this question before...but not sure if I asked this directly: If GGG gets no credit for beating (impressively I might add) guys like Rosado, Proksa, Macklin etc...about 12-15 of those guys I think... Why does Hagler, who many consider the GOAT at MW, get a pass for losing to guys like that in WM Sr and Watts? Just seems like two different grading systems to me...and since I know it is coming...I would add that yes Hagler's high of KOing Hearns in that war was better than any win GGG has imo, even if one (as I do) considered GGG the better man vs Nelo in both fights. But even then Hagler would just have 1 'great' win officially if GGG has none...(as great as Duran was, he was the much smaller man there imo, and Hagler by all accounts basically fought him to a draw)...Hagler also got schooled by the other ATG that he fought, who was 3 years inactive and coming up 2 weight classes...so that is a pretty bad loss imo, based on his performance/all of that....his next best win is a good one imo over Mugabi, but Mugabi himself had 0 good wins in his career. I honestly just don't see the argument that GGG isn't up there with the ATGs at MW...if someone can list 5 or so other MWs all-time I would be open to changing my opinion...but I have seen film on Monzon for one and would have to give a hard pass on that one. I think GGG is probably done, his fight vs SD was the first time I saw him be the worse man in a fight (though I had him getting 6 rounds and the official 'W' but feel he kind of lucked into it)...Ouma was his 2nd toughest fight (before the KO) imo btw, not DJ or Nelo...but yeah after SD I don't know what all he has left. In his prime he still had some flaws, but all fighters do, even the greats...just don't really see the other guys at MW all-time who I would pick above him...I have always thought him vs McClellan would have been a great fight, even though the G-Man wasn't at MW very long...but based on accolades or ability I just don't see a lot of guys all-time I would favor over a prime GGG. this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume! the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters... ... ATG criteria is simple... WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !! FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ? :lol1: and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta... COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ? we don't know ! WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ? we don't know ! and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush?

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Hagler is in the HOF that is never going to change. He's an ATG that not going to change. . Comparing another middleweight to him is not a sin. This type of comparison has been going on in every sport forever. it is disrespectful stupidity to belittle a true great like Hagler... especially in an attempt to elevate a fighter who underachieved because he was unwilling to live up to his own hype

6y ago

aboutfkntime

I like you have time to reply to everyone but me. Speaks volumes LMFAO You're too funny old man dude, you are one of the worst fanboy clowns and jeezus your username is gay as fcuk your copy/paste schtick was garbage when you first posted it... and it is still garbage now

6y ago

aboutfkntime

Man, GGG got you down BAD! Btw, I assume you do not think Wlad is a great heavyweight then? name his 3 best wins... then run down the list of GREAT heavyweights until you find one who's 3 best wins are not as good as Klitschko's... THAT is how good we KNOW Klitschko was

6y ago

aboutfkntime

I'm just curious bud, I don't have an angle. I'm not busting yer chops I'm picking your mind. Wlad's the longest reigning HW champion of all time, but, has a **** resume. How do you handle a character like that? Does he not own an ATG record while having a pretty bad fighting record? The thing about other sports' all time records is interesting. You know Fitzsimmons retired like 28 men, he has the all time knock you out of the sport record. His resume is so-so. Good wins, good losses, and also plenty of wtf's. Marciano actually holds the record for the hardest punch at 925 ft-lbs. People argue all the time about who hits hardest, but, out of scientifically recorded punches Marciano's is still the most powerful. Things like that I personally find very interesting. However, a record like that, like most retirements, isn't what you mean by resume. You mean names on a record. Which isn't really as parallel to a long jump record as you've portrayed it to be. A record like Marciano's punch or Wlad's longevity is much more parallel to record like jumped highest, ran fastest, scored most, etc. Think about this, RJJ has a pretty decent resume, but, he also has something no other boxer in the history of boxing, from ancient sparta to today, has ever done. Everyone compares Roy's run at HW to Bob's but Roy actually had to make weight whereas ever MW before him, including Fitzs, did not. Roy is the only man in the history of boxing to not be a 200+, become a 200+, and still win a title. To me, personally, that's more impactful than his wins even though he has wins over men who are ATGs themselves. Melankomas was never pointed against. I mean no one landed a single punch on him, ever. Anyway, interesting perspective. It still seem a bit like triangle theory to me, but, to each their own. I'm not going to tell you who to be impressed by. nothing in there is relative to greatness Jones got pinged for steroids, so terrible example the boxing climate has changed drastically over the years... 8 divs, to 17 divs... 8 world titles, to 100+ titles ... a lot of the things that you mentioned are meaningless who cares who punched the hardest... you need to land that punch on the right opponent, at the right time, on the right day, in the right fight... the tried and true method that historians use, is proven... because it eliminates all of the irrelevant stats bells and whistles... who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how hard luck if you fought in a softer era... in that event, it is 100% correct to say that you never passed the same tests that other guys passed against killers the guy on the other side of the ring is what makes a fighter special, not meaningless stats

6y ago

TonyGe

6y ago

RHand_Southpaw

you already PROVED that you are just an ignorant fanboy nuthugger :lol1: remember... ? seriously dude... that was a thoughtless... lame... cringe-worthy... excuse... to justify why a grown man failed to live up to his own hype there is only one reason why someone would make a shocking excuse like that you guys need to slow down and think before you blurt out silly excuses did it really never occur to you, before you blurted out that stupidity... that a middleweight who drains guys down from 168, and pulls up little guys from 154... is distinctly average and has nothing to brag about? :lol1: is... that... REALLY... what... Golovkin... meant... ? :D I like you have time to reply to everyone but me. Speaks volumes LMFAO You're too funny old man

6y ago

soul_survivor

they are extremely vocal, despite seeming TOTALLY disconnected from the sport willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total stupidity no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example... this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume! the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters... ... ATG criteria is simple... WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !! FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ? :lol1: and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta... COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ? we don't know ! WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ? we don't know ! and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush? Man, GGG got you down BAD! Btw, I assume you do not think Wlad is a great heavyweight then?

6y ago

Real_King_Kong

Just for a moment I thought the TS was talking about something that wasn't Golovkin.:rofl: Lol...I knew it was gonna be about ggg in some way. Sure enough, another long winded rant whining about ggg/his fans.

6y ago

Richard_G

Well said. Green K. Thanks, the quickest way to run up reds is to harass the pac-tards, it's all personal with them LOL.

6y ago

aboutfkntime

Isn't it ironic that the guy whining about modern boxing fans is one of the guys who can't have a discussion about anyone over fighters he doesn't like without insulting that fighter or that other person. I am one of the biggest GGG fans in the world and on this site. But he acts like I am a nuthugger even though I've said more than once that I thought GGG lost the rematch with Canelo and repeatedly crapped all over the Rolls fight when it was announced. you already PROVED that you are just an ignorant fanboy nuthugger :lol1: remember... ? yankees7448: when Golovkin said " anyone from 154-168 "..... ..... he meant, AT 160 :lol1: seriously dude... that was a thoughtless... lame... cringe-worthy... excuse... to justify why a grown man failed to live up to his own hype there is only one reason why someone would make a shocking excuse like that you guys need to slow down and think before you blurt out silly excuses did it really never occur to you, before you blurted out that stupidity... that a middleweight who drains guys down from 168, and pulls up little guys from 154... is distinctly average and has nothing to brag about? :lol1: is... that... REALLY... what... Golovkin... meant... ? :D

6y ago

aboutfkntime

6y ago

aboutfkntime

How is resume in ATG anything but a more convoluted form of triangle theory? ATG = how high was the mountain that you climbed FACT: Hagler climbed those ATG mountains FACT: Golovkin did not the current world high-jump record-holder actually jumped that height... he is not regarded as the best because his fans sat around insisting he could do it... he actually did it, the record is a testament to his success same with track... same with everything else... and same with boxing it is really simple... a great fighter must have great wins, not fans who make great promises, and fans who insist that they can see great things ATG = " did "... not... " could have done, imho " " could have done, imho " = P4P, not ATG... which is why P4P is highly over-rated

6y ago

john_l

they are extremely vocal, despite seeming TOTALLY disconnected from the sport willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total stupidity no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example... this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume! the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters... ... ATG criteria is simple... WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !! FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ? :lol1: and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta... COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ? we don't know ! WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ? we don't know ! and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush? Well one thing I would add is BOTH Monroe and Watts were very good and avoided(by those outside of Philly). Also his fight with Watts is a well known robbery. Hagler has said same about 1st fight with Monroe, but from all accounts I have seen Monroe won a close one. Hagler was supposed to be sick for that fight(not sure, maybe just excuse)but within a year he KOed him twice and also got a KO with Watts in rematch like you pointed out. His draw with SR Seales was also a BS hometown dec and he KOed him in 1 rd in 3rd fight(Hagler had won 1st fight by dec). So even with his crazy level of comp before and after he won title his record should have been like 65-1 with 50+ KOs before SRL fight with ONLY loss being avenged twice by KO. Also one thing I would like to point out is, he never had to leave 160 and is a GREAT example of holding down a division and taking on all that come with ALL different styles is ALOT of the times MUCH more impressive then jumping div and cherry picking styles.

6y ago

TonyGe

You go, what's wrong with boxing fans these days and all you have to do is look in a mirror. You and people like you are the problem. Oh. Canelo whooped GGGs as so hard in their fights that no one thought he won. Then you pretend like you know how to score a boxing match. Anyone can read a book. Anyone. Your boxing knowledge is so great you really believed that Mikey Garcia had a chance against Spence he didnt. Spence didnt retire Mikey. Lomachenko retired Mikey when Mikey chose to cash out. Canelo has more fans than GGG and more influence than GGG. Anyone with a brain knows that A side always get the benefit of the doubt especially when it comes to Vegas and especially when it comes to Canelo. Weird how too how you have a double standard like that. But no, you just want to ignore that. So when Canelo can barely edge out a decision against GGG who is the biggest hypejob of the last decade you claim Canelo whooped is ass! His face tells the whole story! But he only won by 115-113x2 and 114-114! That's pure domination! Canelo destroyed GGG! He fought using defense and mexican style! Winning the narrative or doing better wins you the fight! What a crock of ****. Take the fans on this site and all the media score cards. Its just like voting in politics. If the after poll has huge discrepancies vs the actual result we know the result to be questionable. So how is it near damn everyone score GGG winning both fights but the cards were continously edged in Canelos favor? Tell me. You think everyone else is wrong and that you're right? Why did fans here vote: Fight1 370 75.98% GGG 67 13.76%Canelo 50 10.27% Draw Fight 2 166 57.44% GGG 96 33.22% Canelo 27 9.34%Draw If they believed Canelo won so handily? Or the media? GGG vs Canelo 21GGG 1 Canelo 3 Draw 21/25 = 84% GGG vs Canelo 2 34 for GGG 2 Canelo 15 Draw 34/51 =67% Why is this I wonder? I saw GGG beat Canelo easily the first time around and GGG beat Canelo again despite the fact Canelo performed better. That opinion matches the consensus. How about yours? Well said and thought out.

6y ago

Zaroku

Humor me please. well.. i am an ex bank of america merrill lynch guy. i can prove it easy. now.. i have to work at Met life Japan. i gotta come up with an algo to determine premiums based on death rates per zip code. i do crappy work.. i know.. i need numbers guys.. but not just numbers.. weighted averages guys that can see patterns of death.. and i stop here. i only get crap jobs. i do not get good jobs, where i help people.. this is not that kinda job.. it is a cold numbers game, where i have to write an algo to determine who is likely to die fast and how much money needs to be paid to not look cheap. i am like a used car sales man... but i do not have the stomach for it..

6y ago

RHand_Southpaw

so...you are a statistician? ok ok.. but have you considered a weighted avg.. standard deviations and the perception of judges ringside. have you ever fought. ever... i have.. many times. applying stats is cool and all, but there are thudding punches.. energy exchanges.. i am a engineer.. physics ... etc... yeah.. my new job is for met life to look at actuary tables and iterate through big data.. you want a job.. ??? you could learn a lot. can you speak japanese or read kanji? if so.. hit me up.. i can use guys who like numbers and are willing to learn.. Humor me please.

6y ago

Zaroku

6y ago

Zaroku

young punks know everything. they google everything. yet.. they live with mom, and can't find real work. ok. they fold under pressure, real fast, get emotional real fast. let's go easy on the highly talented kids who do not know chit. they can not even move outta mom\s house.

6y ago

RHand_Southpaw

6y ago

icha

i dont think this is about ignorance or stupidity, is just a very biased agenda...

6y ago