Does the WBA "regular" title count as a legit title?

People need to be consistent. Count the super, count the world or count both, but don't pick and choose based on circumstance. Dmitry Bivol doesn't hold the super title. Is he a world champion? If he is, then so was Fiedling. Either the WBA world title counts or it doesn't. Not this "well, let's count it sometimes, if there's no super champion at the time, etc etc." That's bull****. If the WBC world championship is vacant, does that mean the WBC international champion is now a world champion? No. So why would the super title being vacant make regular champion Bivol a world champion?

thing is there was no super champ and he was the only WBA champ at the time...Thats how Floyd ended up super champ by beating Maidana..nice try tho That's cool man, nice to see we're in agreement. If you read my long ass post above (#21) you'll find that's exactly how I figure it on a consistent basis... (I'll skip to the pertinent bit) ... Rules I play by are that when there's an incumbent Super champ they take precedence, when they're ain't I count the regular 'World' title as the legit one. There's no hard and fast rules of course, so you can play it how you like, but if you choose to simply ignore the WBA regular you're cutting out a good few well known titleholders - Broner for one, Linares, Maidana, Badou Jack... So yeah. I count Broner at WW, Badou, Jorges at LW and Golovkin from the time he became sole WBA MW champ (15 defenses), but not Fielding or Canelo for instance. Been saying this the last few years, though it seems like a lotta folk change their policy depending on which fighters are involved... just checking you weren't one of 'em my man.

When Manny and Matthysee paraded it around it counted. PBC certainly counted it calling Pac a champion during the buildup to the Thurman fight. So it will count when Crawford beats Besputin for it next year. No it wont count. Just because some uninformed people was calling it such before don't mean it will be counted by people who know. All those BS interim, regular, unleaded, decaff or any other BS title will NEVER be counted by anyone who knows boxing. Four is 3 too many, but that where I draw line otherwise just give every one a title and then every fight can be a unification fight.

why would you consider any title legit when you can win one like tank davis did fighting jesus cuellar? a guy who had never fought at 130 and was coming off a loss. its just silly to throw every belt holder in the same boat. this sounds like a not so subtle way of attacking ggg because he had the regular belt for some time. so tank davis was more legit than ggg for fighting cuellar? if you look into things like why was ggg regular champ for so long? it was because sturm wanted to be elevated to super champion to avoid the fight, even paying off a third party to bribe the wba. so sturm is more of a champion because he didnt want to fight? hes a champ in name only when you do that. Well GGG won his from Milton Nunez who fought the great Anibal Miranda who was 8-16-1 the fight before...so?????

why would you consider any title legit when you can win one like tank davis did fighting jesus cuellar? a guy who had never fought at 130 and was coming off a loss. its just silly to throw every belt holder in the same boat. this sounds like a not so subtle way of attacking ggg because he had the regular belt for some time. so tank davis was more legit than ggg for fighting cuellar? if you look into things like why was ggg regular champ for so long? it was because sturm wanted to be elevated to super champion to avoid the fight, even paying off a third party to bribe the wba. so sturm is more of a champion because he didnt want to fight? hes a champ in name only when you do that.

WBA Champion still technically a world champion. Super title initially intended for those who unify belts. Dont break your heads over it. Read more here https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-super-champions/wba-super-championships#.XYptcBhlCyU Problem is there are cases where a WBA champ wasn't even unified, but still had the Super Champion status. They aren't consistent with their own rules.

Got a question for you, man. Did you consider it legit when Broner won it off Paulie back in 2013? thing is there was no super champ and he was the only WBA champ at the time...Thats how Floyd ended up super champ by beating Maidana..nice try tho

vote and discuss Got a question for you, man. Did you consider it legit when Broner won it off Paulie back in 2013?

I don't argue opinions. I don't care what others believe are higher or lower. Facts are facts. The WBA world title is the WBA world title. The WBA super title isn't the WBA world title. You can decide for yourself which you value, if any. I personally don't recognize the WBA at all. so its a fact that for you that USBA title is higher than WBA, since WBA came out later? or not? is it a fact that the segregated-by-colour title is the real title, and not the non-segregated title? Or are you simply in denial about YOUR point in time's perspective in history.

No, it's just another slick way for the WBA to milk sanctioning fees from the fighters.

I'm glad we established this... Now make a thread for the WBO world title since PBC all of the sudden dismissed it as a world title

so if someone in the past claimed the NABF title was higher than world title you are ok with it. I don't argue opinions. I don't care what others believe are higher or lower. Facts are facts. The WBA world title is the WBA world title. The WBA super title isn't the WBA world title. You can decide for yourself which you value, if any. I personally don't recognize the WBA at all.

I claim that treating the world title as the world title is the truth and treating the super title as the world title is the lie. You can decide for yourself whether being champion of the world or champion of the super is greater or lesser. None of my heroes growing up were champion of the super, they were all champion of the world. So you think the segregated colour titles superior to the world title too? So you think the USBA title superior to the IBF title too?

interesting, so you claim that treating the lesser title as the greater title is a truth. Are you going to claim black is white next? I claim that treating the world title as the world title is the truth and treating the super title as the world title is the lie. You can decide for yourself whether being champion of the world or champion of the super is greater or lesser. None of my heroes growing up were champion of the super, they were all champion of the world.

The lie is treating the super title as a world title. Treating the world title as a world title isn't the lie. interesting, so you claim that treating the lesser title as the greater title is a truth, and treating the greater title as a greater title is a lie? Are you going to claim black is white next?

thats because they want the money in your pocket. who wouldnt decide to take your money if they can, by telling a lie. well, the unscrupulous. The lie is treating the super title as a world title. Treating the world title as a world title isn't the lie.

Triple flop had the regular wba belt fr 7 of his defenses at middlwgt so if if u dont count them then he never tied hopkins. boom!!!

The industry is very clear: it counts. The networks, fighters, promoters and managers have all decided that the WBA world championship and Super WBA world championship are both world championships. Whether fans like it or not, that is how the sport is treating the situation. thats because they want the money in your pocket. who wouldnt decide to take your money if they can, by telling a lie. well, the unscrupulous.

as long as you can find a world to attach it to, then yes. Currently there is no second world for which it can be a title. Until one pops up in the Universe, then no its just a belt to show you are a top contender. This is not about opinion, what we want to think means nothing - its about there not being a 2nd planet earth for which this can be a title for that whole world....theres already a world title for this planet earth.

The industry is very clear: it counts. The networks, fighters, promoters and managers have all decided that the WBA world championship and Super WBA world championship are both world championships. Whether fans like it or not, that is how the sport is treating the situation.