Fury and Wilder are clearly several levels above Anthoy Joshua

I guess boxing nowadays isn't about facing the best opposition. It's all about staying unbeaten to stay relevant especially in this generation.

I’ll answer your questions in turn. Firstly the top10 was based on current fighters, not when they fought them. If you look at boxrec the ten I chose are all actually top10 there so it’s not unreasonable selection, as I said you could potentially argue Brezeale or Kownacki. Povetkin and Pulev are both in boxrec top10 also. Secondly when did Parker pull out of a fight with wilder , stop making BS up. I think you missed my point overall anyway; it wasn’t even to argue AJ is the best heavyweight, but more to the fact that to dismiss him over one fight is unreasonable. He has consistently fought top opposition and lost one fight; which until he fights more we don’t know if it was a blip or more! History tells u many heavyweights have lost but still been one of the best in the division; I’m not one to overreact over one fight. Dismissing anyone after one loss is stupid, and it’s something casuals do. What concerns me isn’t joshua’s loss but how he lost. That said, if it’s a similar result in the rematch, then we may be looking at David Price 2.0 after the Tony Thompson fights. EDIT - and again, Cunningham, Chisora and Hammer were top 10 fighters prior to fighting Fury. I actually didn’t remember Cunningham being rated that highly, I’m damn glad tbrb keeps archives

I don’t think Ruiz let him recover. I think many underestimate how good Ruiz is? He might not be best in the world but he certainly isn’t a potato either! Fury / Ruiz would be a bloodbath. A war.

Fighters recover, atleast good ones do. If you are saying that Joshua was still recovering in the 7th round from a punch in the 3rd, that is an open admission that Joshua's chin is far below average. I don’t think Ruiz let him recover. I think many underestimate how good Ruiz is? He might not be best in the world but he certainly isn’t a potato either!

Ok I can see your bias and clearly wanting to dismiss AJ at any opportunity but you really don’t know how boxing works if you think in heavyweight boxing one punch can change the fight - even if the fights not ended there and then. Comparing to Mayweather is silly because it is different at heavyweight and it all depends on the individual punch and how it hits etc . Obviously punch resistance is part of boxing but that’s not the argument - the argument is whether he should be dismissed based on one loss. As for not including Brezeale or Klitschko because of inferior performances; neither are current top10. But Klitschko was ko by Joshua and majority thought that was a better performance. Wilder did win well against Brezeale, the other two common opponents Joshua beat better. I’m not talking about Molina rocking wilder am I? It’s really not relevant to the conversation . Fighters recover, atleast good ones do. If you are saying that Joshua was still recovering in the 7th round from a punch in the 3rd, that is an open admission that Joshua's chin is far below average.

Wilder is the most protected fighter I have ever seen. This guy took his "belt" from Stiverne, who beat Arreola for a free belt. Lol. Than he defended it against cherry picks like Szpilka, Molina, Duhaupas and so on. His best win is 40 years old Cuban and Wilder was actually in big trouble there. Than he fought Fury. It was a clear cherry pick because everybody thought Fury was done because he looked terrible in his 2 comeback fights. Well, cherry pick went wrong and now everybody says it was a "super fight" lol. And Wilder even didn`t win this fight. Than he stopped Breazeale who was stopped already by Joshua long time ago. Now he rematches Ortiz. Than he will probably fight Kownacki, who is bad enough to lose because he struggled with Martin. My question is: when will this Wilder guy fight anybody dangerous? I mean his best success is a draw against Fury in bad shape LOOOOOOOL. Weird, Wilder was fighting Fury while Joshua was fighting 39 year old Povektin. If Joshua faces inferior opposition than the most protected fighter of all time, what does that make him?

Fury might be, but Wilder? Hahahaha, Wilder got a gift decision for the worst shape Fury ever. Cherrypicked coming from losing 150lb, drugs and depression.

Systematically outboxing and breaking down your opponent is NOT LUCK. Ruiz was faster, far better chin, more SKILLED than AJ. It was not just one shot, this was not Lewis-Rahman getting got by a big shot. Ruiz DOMINATED AJ from the 3rd round on. Imagine being thoroughly dominated by a clinically obese uber driver that you thought would make a good tune up stay busy fight. Boxing is about levels and AJ is several levels below current best Wilder and Fury. I also noticed you went out of your way to avoid listing common opponents Wladimir and Brezeale because you know that AJ's performance was far inferior to that of Fury and Wilder in those fights. Ok I can see your bias and clearly wanting to dismiss AJ at any opportunity but you really don’t know how boxing works if you think in heavyweight boxing one punch can change the fight - even if the fights not ended there and then. Comparing to Mayweather is silly because it is different at heavyweight and it all depends on the individual punch and how it hits etc . Obviously punch resistance is part of boxing but that’s not the argument - the argument is whether he should be dismissed based on one loss. As for not including Brezeale or Klitschko because of inferior performances; neither are current top10. But Klitschko was ko by Joshua and majority thought that was a better performance. Wilder did win well against Brezeale, the other two common opponents Joshua beat better. I’m not talking about Molina rocking wilder am I? It’s really not relevant to the conversation .

Whyte wasn't in the top 10 when he fought Joshua. Duhaupas and Stiverne were both in the top 10 when Wilder fought them. Chisora and Cunningham were both in the top 10 when Fury fought them. Why are you picking and choosing guys who have been in the top 10 for some, but not others? Why do you credit Joshua with having Pulev and Miller pull out, but not credit Wilder for having Povetkin or Parker pull out? Breazelle was also in the top 10 at one point, you can put him down for both Joshua and Wilder, I guess. Even though he wasn't in the top 10 when he fought either guy. And Pulev nor Povetkin should still be in the top 10. Only reason people are putting them there is because of AJ. Same with people putting Takam in the top 10. I’ll answer your questions in turn. Firstly the top10 was based on current fighters, not when they fought them. If you look at boxrec the ten I chose are all actually top10 there so it’s not unreasonable selection, as I said you could potentially argue Brezeale or Kownacki. Povetkin and Pulev are both in boxrec top10 also. Secondly when did Parker pull out of a fight with wilder , stop making BS up. I think you missed my point overall anyway; it wasn’t even to argue AJ is the best heavyweight, but more to the fact that to dismiss him over one fight is unreasonable. He has consistently fought top opposition and lost one fight; which until he fights more we don’t know if it was a blip or more! History tells u many heavyweights have lost but still been one of the best in the division; I’m not one to overreact over one fight.

All I can say is Joshua didn't get the job done. Wilder and Fury Shined in their showcase fight but AJ failed hard.

This is precisely it and AJ has had his career carefully crafted to avoid both Wilder and Fury. Hearn intentionally demanded that Wilder stop his training camp for Fury to go negotiate a contract with AJ because he knew he could then claim it as a duck. Hearn didnt interrupt AJ's training camp for 39 year old Povetkin to negotiate with wilder but he thought the public would be fooled when he demanded Wilder to sign right then. AJ was extremely jealous of all the media attention Wilder and Fury were getting at the time and wanted to rain on their parade. Now the truth is revealed and we have: Elite: Wilder, Fury A level: Ruiz, Ortiz B level: Joshua, Breazeale, Whyte, Parker I currently have Joshua at 5th in the division. 1. Fury, undefeated lineal champion 2. Wilder, undefeated 3. Ruiz, huge collection of belts, huge KO win 4. Ortiz, highly skilled, ducked by Joshua 5. Joshua, massive KO loss, thoroughly beated by Ruiz What are you smoking, how is Ortiz better than Whyte? The best win of Ortiz is jennings. Is jennings such a good win.?

Wilder is the most protected fighter I have ever seen. This guy took his "belt" from Stiverne, who beat Arreola for a free belt. Lol. Than he defended it against cherry picks like Szpilka, Molina, Duhaupas and so on. His best win is 40 years old Cuban and Wilder was actually in big trouble there. Than he fought Fury. It was a clear cherry pick because everybody thought Fury was done because he looked terrible in his 2 comeback fights. Well, cherry pick went wrong and now everybody says it was a "super fight" lol. And Wilder even didn`t win this fight. Than he stopped Breazeale who was stopped already by Joshua long time ago. Now he rematches Ortiz. Than he will probably fight Kownacki, who is bad enough to lose because he struggled with Martin. My question is: when will this Wilder guy fight anybody dangerous? I mean his best success is a draw against Fury in bad shape LOOOOOOOL.

This is precisely it and AJ has had his career carefully crafted to avoid both Wilder and Fury. Hearn intentionally demanded that Wilder stop his training camp for Fury to go negotiate a contract with AJ because he knew he could then claim it as a duck. Hearn didnt interrupt AJ's training camp for 39 year old Povetkin to negotiate with wilder but he thought the public would be fooled when he demanded Wilder to sign right then. AJ was extremely jealous of all the media attention Wilder and Fury were getting at the time and wanted to rain on their parade. Now the truth is revealed and we have: Elite: Wilder, Fury A level: Ruiz, Ortiz B level: Joshua, Breazeale, Whyte, Parker I currently have Joshua at 5th in the division. 1. Fury, undefeated lineal champion 2. Wilder, undefeated 3. Ruiz, huge collection of belts, huge KO win 4. Ortiz, highly skilled, ducked by Joshua 5. Joshua, massive KO loss, thoroughly beated by Ruiz I can't argue with your rankings, but I believe Wilder knocks out Fury in the rematch, after knocking out Ortiz in September. But it will be a tough fight for both.

Anthony Joshua is scared of Wilder, if people listen to HIS interviews and not Eddie Hearns it becomes apparent because he's pretty honest and candid.

You got your boxing history wrong. AJ blatantly ducked wilder. Threw 50 million down the toilet. Then when Wilder and Fury had the balls to fight each other and AJ was left on the sidelines, started making demands that Wilder interrupt his training camp for Fury to go negotiate an AJ fight..... nobody with a brain bought that ploy, atleast thats what I thought but looks like your dumb ass bought it. Ah come on now dude we all know that 50 million offer wasn't gonna happen with the money coming from BT which broke AJ's still active contract with Sky. That was a fake offer, they didn't even send a contract, just an email saying they'll give him 50 million that they promised they had. That's not a proper fight offer. By the way I'm no AJ fan, in case you think I like making excuses for him or something. I just know Wilder's much more deceptive and weak-minded.

He can fight but he is not some truly top level fighter. He’s a good solid heavyweight who’s best achievement was a close fight with Parker, who isn’t that great himself. People may have underrated Ruiz before but now they’re overrating him. He’s sitting in a great position now and fair play to him but his time near the top would be short lived if he had to fight someone like Fury. Exactly my opinion. So true...

Anyway, Fury is number 1 right now!

Dumb fk Wilder lost vs fury Got 30 secs recovery time for Ortiz to avoid defeat Ducked Joshua- nothing people posts will change the fact wilder ducked Joshua and his fans celebrated it. Team wilder know Joshua’s is all wrong for wilder. Let’s not forget wilder has ducked wlad and povetkin This!!!!!!!!!!!!

AJ fans are just jealous because Fury went to USA and stormed it. Great entrance, clinical job with defensive wizardry that has gone viral all over the internet. Put on a show. Limited opponent but did the job he was meant to, which AJ didn’t. AJ went to USA, looked nervous and scared to death then got bounced around the ring by a man who’s best achievement was a close fight with Parker and now AJ has become the laughing stock of boxing. It’s funny. AJ fans were getting scared when Fury was all the rage back in December after beating Wilder. He stole AJ’s thunder. Things died down, the Wilder rematch never happened and Fury got a pretty easy opponent. AJ fans were happy because his big USA debut was putting him back on top but he got embarrassed and now Fury is the man again. People just need to accept this is Fury’s time and Fury’s era. He’s the man who beat the man, never lost his belts in the ring. Other guys had success when Fury was inactive but now he’s back and back on top. That’s just how it goes. Everyone finds their level eventually and Fury is the man of his era.

For anyone who did their own research and didn't rely on other peoples opinions, this was obvious well before Fury's showcase fight with Schwarz. Wilder was champion before Fury, and Fury became lineal champion when he beat Klitschko. Wilder was avoided by Klitschko right from the get-go when Klitschko offered him step aside money to fight Stiverne for the WBC belt. Joshua, from the very beginning, was steered clear of Wilder to pick up the belts stripped from Fury and ultimately refused to fight Wilder for $50 million against 50% last year. This led to the epic fight between Wilder and Fury last December: Fury lucky he didn't lose by knockout in the last round and Wilder lucky he didn't lose on the scorecards. That being said, Fury is still in the process of getting to the point where he feels he can beat Wilder in the rematch, gaining a few more pounds and getting more match fit. When he opted out of the Wilder rematch in May, it was a silent acknowledgment that he believes Wilder is the better fighter right now. Wilder also showed he is a better, more relaxed fighter after the Fury fight, obliterating Breazeale in one round. Andy Ruiz revealed where Joshua really stands in the heavyweight landscape: still a good fighter and a fun fighter to watch, but nowhere near the hype. Hopefully, Joshua improves enough to give a better showing in the Ruiz rematch, but not before taking more time to recover, and fighting less experienced opposition to improve his overall game. Like Fury, hopefully Joshua steps back and regroups before fighting for a title again. If he does it right way, he'll be an even better fighter than he is now. This is precisely it and AJ has had his career carefully crafted to avoid both Wilder and Fury. Hearn intentionally demanded that Wilder stop his training camp for Fury to go negotiate a contract with AJ because he knew he could then claim it as a duck. Hearn didnt interrupt AJ's training camp for 39 year old Povetkin to negotiate with wilder but he thought the public would be fooled when he demanded Wilder to sign right then. AJ was extremely jealous of all the media attention Wilder and Fury were getting at the time and wanted to rain on their parade. Now the truth is revealed and we have: Elite: Wilder, Fury A level: Ruiz, Ortiz B level: Joshua, Breazeale, Whyte, Parker I currently have Joshua at 5th in the division. 1. Fury, undefeated lineal champion 2. Wilder, undefeated 3. Ruiz, huge collection of belts, huge KO win 4. Ortiz, highly skilled, ducked by Joshua 5. Joshua, massive KO loss, thoroughly beated by Ruiz