Now that it has been proven that Wilder is ducking....

I'm the world's foremost silicone prosthetics inventor, bubba. You can see me on Showtime, Discovery, TLC, Channel 4, and not me but my work, I am the only person on the planet who knows how to make the product, can be seen on CBS's CSI in the final season, I reckon the ep is called Rubber Murder or some such similar. I am Adam Ramos, you're a damn fool. You are an idiot Sit down boy and stop btching on every thread. Everything you posted is trash Trash belongs in the trash can Trash

I'm the world's foremost silicone prosthetics inventor, bubba. You can see me on Showtime, Discovery, TLC, Channel 4, and not me but my work, I am the only person on the planet who knows how to make the product, can be seen on CBS's CSI in the final season, I reckon the ep is called Rubber Murder or some such similar. I am Adam Ramos, you're a damn fool. Yeah ok mate. Tell me more about the struggle of the duck billed platypus as regards it's struggle with climate change and the impact this is having on the Wilder Joshua fight lol? You're a complete f&^%ing loon. Entertaining though. In the UK the old farts like you sit in the corner of the pub and we buy them a beer so they can tell us how they invented the water powered car but the men in black came and took them away. I'm crushing you here fellah, you're reeling like Roy Jones getting chinned by Joe Calzaghe 30 times a minute.

100% the fight needed building in the US and Wilders name in the UK as well (In perspective of the people making money from it). I don't think AJ Wilder would have done much better intstead of the first Wilder Fury and now they have traction in the US. Now Wilder will bring some US fans and has has more recognition to his name in UK since being associated with Fury. The rematch set to double these figure which only has a knock on effect with a fight with AJ. Wilder clearly didn't count on Fury coming back at the level he did and IMO is a cherry pick gone wrong however if he does beat him in the rematch which isn't ridiculous potential outcome he stands to gain a bigger slice of a bigger pie. The person in the best position will be the winner out of the first fight between any of them and I rate Wilders chance less against AJ than his chances against Fury. In other words he's more likely to beat Fury and go on to fight AJ getting two increasingly large paydays whereas if he takes AJ first IMO he's so much more likely to lose and by KO as well only getting one payday. Don't get me wrong I want AJ in the mix now but for Wilder, Fury next would make the most sense. You know what mate, I can't argue with any of that conclusion. I might disagree a little bit about your point about Wilder's increased exposure because my personal view is that the difference in Wilder being known by those added few is negligible to the big picture. This was a mega fight before and after Wilder got that bit extra exposure. I am no fan of Wilder whatsoever, and I do think he took Fury lightly (cherry pick gone wrong) but as of where we are at right now I cannot disagree with your summary at all. If Wilder can do Fury in a rematch (which is a bit of a gamble, because if he loses Joshua will enjoy freezing him out after all his bs trash lies), but...if he does come through against Fury he is in a very good spot financially. He'd have 2 massive paydays coming from AJ, and already good bank from having fought Fury x 2. It's risky for him isn't it? Do you go for the AJ paydays now, 2 massive paydays on the table and chances to unify. Or do you take a lesser risk (I agree with you, Fury is obviously less risk than Joshua) and hope you grab that money AND then still have the other options available too. For me, likeliest scenario. He makes the Fury rematch hoping to come through it and gets AJ afterwards. Unless at that point he then asks for 60 / 40 in his favour which I would not put past him, and no doubt his followers might support that too lol. As an aside. In my opinion, Dillian Whyte is massively underrated (he beat AJ in ams and can rock anyone's world at any time. He has a great chin, can box, can last 12 rounds, and of course has quick, very heavy hands). If Joshua fights Whyte I would not rule out the whole applecart being turned over. Make no mistake, Whyte is a VERY good HW. I'd bet on him to beat either Wilder or Fury.

Too soon. Although its become quite clear to anybody who wasnt sure i dont think Wilders managers or fans are quite ready to give up on their bull **** narratives yet. I was on one of the LDBC vids yesterday and now they are trying to convince themselves that Deontay is actually the A side and so the offer is bull****. So they haven't given up just yet. And to any of these idiots that tell me im a fool for believing Eddie Hearn and if i looked back through history bla bla IM NOT, im basing all my accusations of duckery all on what i read and hear from Team Wilder, Not even the LDBC cuz they just hate mongering on Youtube but you make yourself a time line of everything that has gone on regarding this fight and it stinks to high heaven of duckery. Not to mention them all tripping over each others stories on TBV interviews, problem with their 50 million offer lie was they didnt all get the same script. I could safely say i couldnt care less for Joshua or Wilder, but when this whole thing started i have to say i thought Wilder was ducking the fight, At first i wanted the fight to be built up because i thought Wilder would want the fight in america and he would want big money for it. But then he did that interview where he said "No more ducking, no more dodging, no hiding behind promoters, or financials, am willing to travel" etc So i thought hmm this guy just want this Joshua fight and to take his head off, at the time i didn't think Joshua was ready for him, so in my mind the fight was going to be built up. Once they offered him 12.5m dollars and he turned it down i turned against him right then. Personally he didn;t want that fight outside of america but thats my opinion.

I could see you triggered a lot of Wilder fan girls with your thread.

Did you forget to log out of your alt son? You've done nothing but proudly state how you'll remain ignorant Mark. I don't see what I'm meant to be bothered by. A handful of highly emotional little toad's pizzle losing their **** because their ignorance has been called out and their semantics can't be used to defend that ignorance.....wowee do I feel sheepish...:lol1: Look at the ****ing state of you: When you are at work you are under the employ of another man, and when you go to the voting polls you go to vote for some other man, and when you're off to the shop to buy another man's product, and when you're online you debate another man's issues, I have to wonder how the **** you call yourself an individual capable of independent thought? Mark. I conclude that you are a 58 year old new age, crystal hugging, incense burning, thrice divorced, backwater dwelling, Shirley McLaine type woman who lives alone with her 5 cats. You're impressed with what you think is your own uniqueness but you come across as an absolute bellend, now do one.

I see this as a massive bubble. Wilder and Joshua have pushed it and pushed it and its probably at the maximum hype it can get to, without it bursting. In my very biased opinion, Wilder needs to fight Joshua now. Wilder's stock will plummet to Charles Martin levels if he loses a rematch to Fury. That's just not credible. This is a mega sell out fight the way it stands, doesn't need any more building. At some point an intelligent person looks at all the facts and says the most obvious scenario is the most obvious explanation, without the need for complex conspiracies and theories. Wilder is ducking, plain as day 100% the fight needed building in the US and Wilders name in the UK as well (In perspective of the people making money from it). I don't think AJ Wilder would have done much better intstead of the first Wilder Fury and now they have traction in the US. Now Wilder will bring some US fans and has has more recognition to his name in UK since being associated with Fury. The rematch set to double these figure which only has a knock on effect with a fight with AJ. Wilder clearly didn't count on Fury coming back at the level he did and IMO is a cherry pick gone wrong however if he does beat him in the rematch which isn't ridiculous potential outcome he stands to gain a bigger slice of a bigger pie. The person in the best position will be the winner out of the first fight between any of them and I rate Wilders chance less against AJ than his chances against Fury. In other words he's more likely to beat Fury and go on to fight AJ getting two increasingly large paydays whereas if he takes AJ first IMO he's so much more likely to lose and by KO as well only getting one payday. Don't get me wrong I want AJ in the mix now but for Wilder, Fury next would make the most sense.

Is there anyone able to throw their hands up and say "Yes, 60/40 with a $15 MILLION guarantee and a guarantee rematch AND you get 70% for the second fight if you win the first fight...is waaay fair, get it done Deontay." Is there any Wilder devotee willing to have the humility and the maturity to admit that this not just fair, it is more than fair? As an aside, for the conspiratorialists who believe that the WBC is aiding Wilder in his ducking it is no surprise that they have gone from 'endorsing' the Fury rematch to 'mandating' it. This helps Wilder save face if he takes the rematch over the unification. I'd love Fury to beat him again and then it's Fury Joshua 50/50 and Wilder can fook off into obscurity. Worst representative of America's proud heavyweight history, not to call him out for his ducking is enabling him to carry on being a *****. Too soon. Although its become quite clear to anybody who wasnt sure i dont think Wilders managers or fans are quite ready to give up on their bull **** narratives yet. I was on one of the LDBC vids yesterday and now they are trying to convince themselves that Deontay is actually the A side and so the offer is bull****. So they haven't given up just yet. And to any of these idiots that tell me im a fool for believing Eddie Hearn and if i looked back through history bla bla IM NOT, im basing all my accusations of duckery all on what i read and hear from Team Wilder, Not even the LDBC cuz they just hate mongering on Youtube but you make yourself a time line of everything that has gone on regarding this fight and it stinks to high heaven of duckery. Not to mention them all tripping over each others stories on TBV interviews, problem with their 50 million offer lie was they didnt all get the same script.

F&^%ing hell that guy is absolutely mental. I think he's actually serious too. Yeah, he is almost serious!

So you reckon both Wilder and AJ are doing this to drum up as much dislike for eachother from the fans to generate more interst the "Mendoza way" just business basically? That's just not credible. This is a mega sell out fight the way it stands, doesn't need any more building. At some point an intelligent person looks at all the facts and says the most obvious scenario is the most obvious explanation, without the need for complex conspiracies and theories. Wilder is ducking, plain as day

It's strange isn't it? In the same way trump could get filmed burning a US flag and dancing on it with Putin and there'd still be some who excused him. It's right in front of their faces and they can't see it, or won't admit to seeing it. Wilder. Is. Ducking. Joshua. Yeh, its ****ing mental.. Imagine if Floyd offered Brook 40% to fight him after he beat Pac so he could pick up the IBF and be undisputed, like Floyd AJ is the PPV king and like Brook Wilder cant sell a PPV without a dance partner. These Wilder fanboys will laugh their ass off if Brook turned that down. I feel embarrassed for them tbh.

I never claimed I'd be showing you anything but where to look. I never exalted the fact that I read books I just pointed out a willful ignorance on your part. I clearly want you to read books as well....and then tell me about them. Is it not possible that I'm just tired of dealing in surface level knowledge and just want to push young people into learning a little bit more about the subjects they argue so vehemently about? You're projecting quite a lot onto me bubba. Just go read Mendoza and then come back and thank me for pushing you into it. What do you have to lose? You might learn something? I'm wiping the floor with you here fool, throw the towel in. You are a barking at the moon headcase with Charlie Zelenoff levels of stability.

I am an American fan but not a Wilder fan. I think the offer from team AJ is fair and Wilder should take it now and fight Fury later. If Fury beats Wilder in a rematch I don't think Fury should then get a 50/50 split with AJ. AJ will still be the A side with most of the belts and the proven money maker. A 60/40 split in AJ's favor would be fair if Fury beats Wilder and fights AJ for all the belts. A 55/45 split in AJ's favor might be fair also but AJ should get more than Fury.

Wilder is ducking for sure, it's pretty obvious now, come on guys!

You are a nutcase. Get help.

:lol1: Holy **** bud. :lol1: Reckon I'll just let that go, but this ain't the first time I've referred to history on this subject. I talk about Daniel The Jew Mendoza a lot because he's very very important and no one knows a damn thing about him. Joshua getting under your skin? That's a bit of Mendoza School. Don't like Mayweather's ****? Mendoza School. Think it's funny that Wilder can't say athleticism to save his ass? Mendoza School. Daniel The Jew Mendoza was HW champion in the 1790s. Look him up. Take him seriously and get you ass onto something with a little more than a wiki overview. Once you are comfortable with your Mendoza history come back to me and then tell me you believe Eddie Hearn as much as you had prior or even at all. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck it's probably a duck isn't it? Well, what if you lived in a world where no one knows what a duck is and would rather argue over whether the creature is a breed of platypus or some kind of chicken then just look up a duck? My world bubba. It's ****ing sad. Mendoza is only the origin of trickery and sales. If you really want the dirty truth look into the 1830s-1850s shift from England to America. That's when Mendoza's strategies are used most often. Finally I'll leave you with this. Outside of Richard K. Fox, Tex Richard, and Don King what promoter has brought something new to the table? Yeah and those three all center around black boxing becoming mainstream. Outside of colorline influenced promoters can you name me a single one who ever came up with anything that worked so well it then became industry standard? Mendoza didn't leave much room for improvement bubba. You really should know as much as you can about him. edit- Also, he's English. Y'all take pride in being the origins of the sport don't you? Well, son, Figg and Mace don't have **** on Mendoza. He should be a hero over there....hell he's a hero to me and I ain't english a lick nor jewish none. Figg up to Mendoza are all ****houses. Mendoza is the true godfather of boxing....I promise, get you a book and you'll like it. So you reckon both Wilder and AJ are doing this to drum up as much dislike for eachother from the fans to generate more interst the "Mendoza way" just business basically?

You just ramble about bollocks nobody cares about, most of the time people can't even understand the **** you type. I believe you're a genuine mental case. F&^%ing hell that guy is absolutely mental. I think he's actually serious too.

Anymore from you little *****es or did I just take your goofy thread from you? Yeah, you really showed us how Wilder is not ducking Joshua, it's crystal clear now. At least you had the balls to get on this thread and have an attempt to defend the basketball hype job, I don't see any other Wilder fools still with the energy (or the stupidity) to try and defend him. It's hard to argue with an imbecile, and someone who is proud of the fact that they read books, like it is some sort of unique thing to do LMAO, and yet who spells 'too' as 'two' in a sentence. Stop it, my sides are hurting you loon, and I'm destroying you in front of your friends.

Sure there aren't. You know better because you listened to a promoter and broadcastor right Mark? In regards to US history, do you know why America controls boxing today? No? The **** are you talking to me about US HWs for then? Am I repeating **** you hear on the LDBC or any other Wilder fan? They talk about Mendoza do they? No? Hmm. Are you repeating **** I hear out of every ****sucker who calls themselves a Joshua fan? Hmm. Oh there's a chance I missed your information is there? No son, I have youtube too. There's a big chance you've never cracked a ****in' book though isn't there? One of us has more information at their disposal, huh? One of us is an ignorant ***** with a big mouth. The other is an old man with nothing but time to waste. Keep going all you like. So, because you talk about some Mendoza cat from hundreds of years ago makes it right for Wilder to duck today? I don't come on here talking about internal combustion engines trying to make my point about Wilder being a ducker, and then claiming it somehow makes my point. You're as lost as a lamb in a hailstorm you f&%$ing loon.

:lol1: Holy **** bud. :lol1: Reckon I'll just let that go, but this ain't the first time I've referred to history on this subject. I talk about Daniel The Jew Mendoza a lot because he's very very important and no one knows a damn thing about him. Joshua getting under your skin? That's a bit of Mendoza School. Don't like Mayweather's ****? Mendoza School. Think it's funny that Wilder can't say athleticism to save his ass? Mendoza School. Daniel The Jew Mendoza was HW champion in the 1790s. Look him up. Take him seriously and get you ass onto something with a little more than a wiki overview. Once you are comfortable with your Mendoza history come back to me and then tell me you believe Eddie Hearn as much as you had prior or even at all. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck it's probably a duck isn't it? Well, what if you lived in a world where no one knows what a duck is and would rather argue over whether the creature is a breed of platypus or some kind of chicken then just look up a duck? My world bubba. It's ****ing sad. Mendoza is only the origin of trickery and sales. If you really want the dirty truth look into the 1830s-1850s shift from England to America. That's when Mendoza's strategies are used most often. Finally I'll leave you with this. Outside of Richard K. Fox, Tex Richard, and Don King what promoter has brought something new to the table? Yeah and those three all center around black boxing becoming mainstream. Outside of colorline influenced promoters can you name me a single one who ever came up with anything that worked so well it then became industry standard? Mendoza didn't leave much room for improvement bubba. You really should know as much as you can about him. edit- Also, he's English. Y'all take pride in being the origins of the sport don't you? Well, son, Figg and Mace don't have **** on Mendoza. He should be a hero over there....hell he's a hero to me and I ain't english a lick nor jewish none. Figg up to Mendoza are all ****houses. Mendoza is the true godfather of boxing....I promise, get you a book and you'll like it. Yeah, that's perfectly relevant to how Wilder is right not to accept 40% and $15 Million guarantee, in 2019. * Backs away slowly *