Help Me Understand Wilder's 20lb+ Weight Loss

With a consistent weight lifting routine, putting on 20 pounds of weight (mostly water) can be fairly easy if he's dirty bulking during training. With Wilder's body type and conditioning, it's fairly easy for him to shed those 20 pounds if he isn't simultaneously dirty bulking. Deontay must've performed better at the weight he's currently at and decided to cut weight lifting out of his training. With these last 2 performances, he (or his team) must be questioning if the weight is an issue (it isn't). It's like fighter's moving up a weight class after losing, except Deontay isn't dehydrating himself to make weight like they are.

:lol1: I like it but no. I understand the logic and I ain't laughing at that, you do make sense, but, you are very, very, very, wrong and if you knew a lick of history you'd know that. Weight divisions came as a natural evolution of scheduled ends. A fight that is not scheduled to end but rather ends whenever someone is KO'd or quits favors the smaller men. It is the big fellas who were being killed by boxing not the little guys. The little guys have more energy to spend and play off that, they literally tired thousands of men to death. To curb the killing and murder investigation boxing went to scheduled ends (judges) which absolutely negates the natural balance of power between sizes and forces the smaller man to do more work earlier giving the larger man an unfair advantage, hence weight classes. I am not assuming this, I have a good 200 years worth of history in my back pocket that proves it. In all cases it is the smaller man with more energy to burn. History proves it and if you need a scientific explanation I am actually a kinesiologist, not an MD, but similar. It is recuperation you are not considering. A smaller man refills his tank much more rapidly and doesn't need as lengthy of a break. Back in the bare knuckle days they got the big'en so worked over that those fellas would go down officially as a KO but when you read the round by round it's more the big guy got too tired to hold himself up, and like I said before loads of them died. If I was Wilder I wouldn't listen to everyone telling me to be normal. He's not a normal fighter. They should look to exploit, exaggerate, and enforce his natural abilities and traits rather than trying to turn him into who they think is the ideal HW. Wilder does not need more size, it wouldn't even help him. Wilder does not need higher level boxing techniques, they'll only put him into positions not favorable to his traits. Wilder needs to make sure he has power and stamina beyond the entire fight and attain higher level pygmachos skills, like Marciano's overheads. There's a reason Wilder can't land a looping shot for **** and Marciano threw them around like they were throw pillows. Comparatively Wilder is a **** puncher riding off natural talent that has yet to be evolved beyond a basic posture/position/patience bait game. If Wilder knew how to set up looping hands he too could land them on excellent, ATG, movers and defensive boxers from across the ring. It looks obvious from the outside only. Inside it's deceptive. How else to you get Archie Moore to stand there and look at you while you jump into his face with a punch? Got to have him looking at something or for something else right? Wilder and his team need to get with it. Boxing the boxer and putting on weight is ****ing dumb. I wish someone would ask them " If you have a guy who is more successful than everyone else without being like everyone else why on earth would you want to make him everyone else?" It's ****ing stupid. this reads like cope from a manlet.

Wrong.. WBC clean boxing program was introduced after Splizka fight and ever since it was introduced, Wilder has lost weight! Splizka even bough up the issue there was no drug testing for their fight and called out Wilder for not taking tests (See article below). https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-vs-szpilka-drug-testing-hasnt-started--99441 https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DearestUntriedCommabutterfly-small.gif

he was enrolled in VADA for the first Bermane fight for the WBC strap. He was 219 lbs. Still on VADA 365, he went to fight Spilka more than a year later, he was 229 lbs. So he gained weight under VADA 365. Now he lost weight yes but he gained weight first. If you read my other post I clarify what happened with Spzlika.. I don't know if you remember, after that brutal KO Spzlika was hospitalised, he said there was no drug testing and felt like Wilder was on something. Anyhow WBC VADA clean boxing program was introduced after that fight and even after it has been introduced Wilder himself has said they only test you when you’re in camp not year round. See my comment below below Wrong.. WBC clean boxing program was introduced after Splizka fight and ever since it was introduced, Wilder has lost weight! Splizka even bough up the issue there was no drug testing for their fight and called out Wilder for not taking tests (See article below). https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-vs-szpilka-drug-testing-hasnt-started--99441

he was afraid and got diarrhea

It's not weight loss, it’s muscle loss. Both he and his trainer Deas said he lost weight muscle weight which either means he stopped working out on strength conditioning, did lots of cardio and went on diet.. which we know isn’t the case as Wilder himself says he doesn’t believe in road work and never jogs or runs and strength and conditioning is part of boxing and plenty of vids show him doing it. Second reason which seems more plausible is steroids.. Wilder was 229lb before being enrolled into drug testing. Interesting fact is ever since drug testing Wilder’s weigh has come down in every single fight one after the other!! How on earth can a athlete lose so much muscle? he was enrolled in VADA for the first Bermane fight for the WBC strap. He was 219 lbs. Still on VADA 365, he went to fight Spilka more than a year later, he was 229 lbs. So he gained weight under VADA 365. Now he lost weight yes but he gained weight first.

He was on VADA testing since the first Bermane fight where he weighed 219 lbs. He was 228 lbs against Spilka more than a year doing 365 VADA testing. So he gained about 10 lbs under VADA. now he's managed to lose 20. Your timeline doesn't work. Wrong.. WBC clean boxing program was introduced after Splizka fight and ever since it was introduced, Wilder has lost weight! Splizka even bough up the issue there was no drug testing for their fight and called out Wilder for not taking tests (See article below). https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-vs-szpilka-drug-testing-hasnt-started--99441

He said in a interview that he had cut back on muscle mass because it was resulting in him getting injured. I’m not sure if that’s from the weight training of having the extra mass on his lean frame

it's honestly super suspicious. he's naturally a very skinny guy, that's clear. he may be naturally around 212 - 215 lbs. that muscle he had on may have been from *ahem* something. he also could be sick. boxers fight with illnesses all the time. he's also almot surely got issues with lifting weights, he has bad a biceps tear IIRC and really doesn't have hte build for it. i bet he's sore for a week after he squats.

It's not weight loss, it’s muscle loss. Both he and his trainer Deas said he lost weight muscle weight which either means he stopped working out on strength conditioning, did lots of cardio and went on diet.. which we know isn’t the case as Wilder himself says he doesn’t believe in road work and never jogs or runs and strength and conditioning is part of boxing and plenty of vids show him doing it. Second reason which seems more plausible is steroids.. Wilder was 229lb before being enrolled into drug testing. Interesting fact is ever since drug testing Wilder’s weigh has come down in every single fight one after the other!! How on earth can a athlete lose so much muscle?

it's actual closer to 10 pounds but Joshua fights have averaged a weight of 246 pounds so nothing you said makes sense. You fluctuate easy easy going up or down a couple pounds. Wilder going down in weight to 210 or whatever is a weight he hasn't been since he started boxing which is not a good sign at all. What's closer to 10lbs? Joshua is listed at 254 then 242 That is 12lbs. OP says it's suspicious for Wilder to go from 228 to 212 (16lbs) is crazy wild and has never happened, but Joshua going from 254 to 242 (12lbs) is somehow completely different?

They are hiding some chit. that's for damn sure. name another heavyweight champ that lost 20+ lbs during their reign as champ. it simply never happens. their weight fluctuates a bit and usually goes north. Wilder is a very very peculiar case. Well he’s black so at the very least he should be investigated and have his life turned inside out.

They are hiding some chit. that's for damn sure. name another heavyweight champ that lost 20+ lbs during their reign as champ. it simply never happens. their weight fluctuates a bit and usually goes north. Wilder is a very very peculiar case. Wilder lost 20lbs over 2 years, you make it sound like it was over night. He dropped weight before two fights where he mentioned he was training for stamina. It happens. He dropped 6 pounds before the Ortiz fight, and lost 2lbs before the Fury fight. Anthony Joshua dropped 12lbs from the Takam fight to the Parker fight. That was 5 months.

Anxiety, stress and possibly crack cocaine.

Likely overtraining, fighters from other teams who’s trained with Wilder have spoken of how hard he works! I think Murat Gassiev mentioned that Wilder would do ab work outs for nearly an hour and run up hills for hours! He said he never seen a man that likes having a good time but works so hard! Wilder should gain some weight, Fury was too big and strong in those clinches! If Wilder can come in at 230, Fury will be in trouble in the clinches cuz Wilder could break them early an fire off to the body! Gameplan for the rematch should be to be patient, throw more body jabs, feint downstairs more, more straight punches, throw more bodyshots, increase weight (max should be 230 or 235) and watch tape on how Fury kept rolling his head to the right everytime Wilder jabbed! Other than that, that power takes care of itself! It’s amazing he’s outweighed normally by 20 or 40 pounds and still either knocks these guys out cold or drop them like a sack of potatoes! Sports Science needs to visit Wilder about that Alabama power! I'd agree with this. In the promotional materials where they were showing both training camps, it was clearly visible that Wilder is working himself to the point of exhaustion while doing conditioning work. Not saying it's a bad thing per se, as it's how you make progress initially, but they may have been overdoing it this time. It's like he wants it too much, and his team is too dumb to try and rein him in.

He started VADA testing and had to come off the roids. Bingo I was thinking the same thing. He never knock out people as an amateur than knocks everyone out as a pro very suspicious . If you look at people with high Ko's they had high ko percentage in the amateurs as well

Jay Deas just explained it yesterday on Tha Boxing Voice Listen Closely 55:35... Probably needs to invest into a Nutritionist

I think possible overtraining and possibly being sick. He should be no lower than 220 and no higher than 233

Likely overtraining, fighters from other teams who’s trained with Wilder have spoken of how hard he works! I think Murat Gassiev mentioned that Wilder would do ab work outs for nearly an hour and run up hills for hours! He said he never seen a man that likes having a good time but works so hard! Wilder should gain some weight, Fury was too big and strong in those clinches! If Wilder can come in at 230, Fury will be in trouble in the clinches cuz Wilder could break them early an fire off to the body! Gameplan for the rematch should be to be patient, throw more body jabs, feint downstairs more, more straight punches, throw more bodyshots, increase weight (max should be 230 or 235) and watch tape on how Fury kept rolling his head to the right everytime Wilder jabbed! Other than that, that power takes care of itself! It’s amazing he’s outweighed normally by 20 or 40 pounds and still either knocks these guys out cold or drop them like a sack of potatoes! Sports Science needs to visit Wilder about that Alabama power!

ya those physicals are very basic. they do not check for decline of health. wilder at 80% is still more robust than 99% of human beings. I only mentioned that because you insinuated that he may have a medical condition which is causing him to lose weight. If that was the case, then it would have been disclosed by now. Moreover, if a fighter is unhealthy, then he will lose his boxing license to fight in most states.