Do you believe Dillian Whye, Derek Chisora, Jo Parker and David Haye have the same Undefeated +KO record and the WBC title if they fought the exact same opponents as wilder?
Wilder resume is poor apart from ortiz. Nobody knew if wilder would beat ortiz. But ortiz has a question mark also. But he did beat tiny Thompson so not too bad
Prime Haye most likely
The others I think Whyte and Parker beat everyone on Wilders resume except maybe ortiz but wouldnt stop all of them. They are 50/50 with Ortiz, parker in particular as parker has a great chin and would probably be able to take old, gassed ortiz out late on. Whyte im not as sure about.
Chisora is too lazy and inconsistent he'd find a way to lose to a few
What you have to note though is Wilders entire career has been hand-picked so he's faced all fighters to make him look good, specific to HIM
you note coming up he didn't face any of the usual durable journeymen like Kevin Johnson, Dominic Guinn, Tank Williams etc, they swerved those guys like the plague
Once he got to stiverne that was the first decent guy he fought, then he feasted on scrubs until Ortiz
His resume is rubbish but was well picked out for someone of his particular "talents"
I agree with this post.
Would be interesting to see how whyte and Chisora would fair against Ortiz, the rest they would likely beat and quite comfortably.
Not sure about Parker tbh, I question his heart and mental toughness. He probably would have beaten Why He if he started better. As for Haye...It depends on what version were talking about. Prime Haye is better than all of these guys but the version that came back and fought Bellew stands very little chance against Ortiz
Nah, that **** against Wilder was a dive. One of the most blatant ones I've ever seen.
Malik did literally nothing in the first and only round, then blinked at wilder (dive signal?) and went down from a pathetic set up slap by Wilder followed by a right that was blocked, then he grabbed the ropes on his way down (so much for being ¨kod¨ ) and stood there watching the referee with his eyes fully focused
Punkass was looking for a way out since the beginning. He knew he wasn't gonna win and didn't even try. This dude is one of Wilder's bff in real life.
Obvious dive and a black mark in Wilder's resume
I’m just saying I thought it was a dive too until I saw him fight against Ortiz. Check the highlights for that match. Scott drops every time Ortiz throws a power punch. Regardless of if they hit him. It’s like he didn’t know falling down was not a legal way to dodge a punch.
Deontay Wilder's resume:
Wilder’s Record:
1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)
I never thought Scott dove. Have you watched any other Scott fights? Terrified fighter. Against a big puncher it’s just embarrassing. He took “dives” almost every time Ortiz threw at him too. Ortiz would have been credited with about 15 knockdowns if the ref didn’t rule most of them as “slips” haha
There’s a reason he has 3KO losses and only stepped up 3 times in his career.
Wilder has made no secret that he got into boxing solely for the money and he fell in love with it. Malik Scott to me, is a guy who got into boxing for the money and didn’t enjoy a second of it. Lots of people don’t realize until it’s too late - you don’t play boxing.
Nah, that **** against Wilder was a dive. One of the most blatant ones I've ever seen.
Malik did literally nothing in the first and only round, then blinked at wilder (dive signal?) and went down from a pathetic set up slap by Wilder followed by a right that was blocked, then he grabbed the ropes on his way down (so much for being ¨kod¨ ) and stood there watching the referee with his eyes fully focused
Punkass was looking for a way out since the beginning. He knew he wasn't gonna win and didn't even try. This dude is one of Wilder's bff in real life.
Obvious dive and a black mark in Wilder's resume
a prime Haye would have crushed Wilder's opposition, including old no-stamina-having Ortiz, and Wilder himself
the rest are meh, so it's unlikely
btw would Malik Scott also take a dive for these guys like he did for his buddy Wilder?
I never thought Scott dove. Have you watched any other Scott fights? Terrified fighter. Against a big puncher it’s just embarrassing. He took “dives” almost every time Ortiz threw at him too. Ortiz would have been credited with about 15 knockdowns if the ref didn’t rule most of them as “slips” haha
There’s a reason he has 3KO losses and only stepped up 3 times in his career, and retired after Ortiz.
Wilder has made no secret that he got into boxing solely for the money and he fell in love with it. Malik Scott to me, is a guy who got into boxing for the money and didn’t enjoy a second of it. Lots of people don’t realize until it’s too late - you don’t play boxing.
Prime haye will definitely KO those bums.
Whyte will up to Ortiz which seems like a 50/50 fight at the moment, but will not win by same KO ratio.
Joshua Parker of course will beat most of the bums up till Ortiz, also not by same KO ratio as whyte.
Chisora is a warrior with a big heart and can fight anybody but am not sure of him beating all those bums as he is not consistent himself.
a prime Haye would have crushed Wilder's opposition, including old no-stamina-having Ortiz, and Wilder himself
the rest are meh, so it's unlikely
btw would Malik Scott also take a dive for these guys like he did for his buddy Wilder?
Chisora would only lose to Ortiz and have a couple of close fights with the likes of Duhaupas and Stiverne depending on how good he prepared. I see Parker also only losing to Ortiz although that is a closer fight. I view Whyte vs current Ortiz as a toss up...none of them would have the same KO record tho
They don’t KO Ortiz, Duhaupas, or Arreola. Hell, they probably take the step aside money from Wlad and don’t fight Bermaine for the title. And none of them beat Ortiz.
But this is obviously just a poorly veiled attempt to attack wilders resume again.
Do you believe Dillian Whye, Derek Chisora, Jo Parker and David Haye have the same Undefeated +KO record and the WBC title if they fought the exact same opponents as wilder?
No...................