GGG vs Carl Froch

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This jerk thinks that bute, Abraham, a shot Taylor and fu.cking Groves are great Legends. Rose was the #1 of the world. Bobby Chacón was a iconic fighter Castillo was #1 in the weight. Kid Gavilan. Salvatore . José Medel. All former champs of the world. In an age where only two belts. André toyed with Froch. Hahahahahahahaha I knew you didn't know what you were talking about. Kid Gavilan? That wasn't THE Kid Gavilan you complete dip****. That was some bum with only a few fights. Rose is only a good fighter, nothing more. Don't try and pretend otherwise. If any other fighter who wasn't Mexican beat Rose, you'd say he was a bum from Australia. The only fighter of note Rose ever beat was Castillo. Oh, and the ghost of Harada. Castillo was only the number 1 at the weight due to him beating Olivarez you fool. The same thing for Douglas beating Tyson. So don't try and make more of it. Chacon was iconic? To who? Those that horribly overrate him? He's most known for his wars with Limon who was nothing more than a good fighter. That and his win over Edwards. Hahahahaha Salvatore was shot. And he only ever beat one good fighter in his career. The night he became champ many years before. That win meant absolutely nothing. Medel was also shot, so that meant nothing either. So yeah, you didn't prove Olivarez was a great fighter in any way, because he isn't even close to being. So thanks for the laughs. it was fun getting you to go through his **** record to prove my point. Lastly, I don't consider Groves, Taylor, Bute or Abraham legends, so you fail again. Groves and Abraham were good wins. Bute was a very good fighter so that was a great win. Same for Taylor, he was a very good fighter so again a great win. Trying to claim Taylor was shot when he wasn't close to being shot because the Americans couldn't handle Taylor losing is nothing but more of your ignorance. Before the fight Taylor was going to hammer Froch, it was only when Taylor lost did the bitter Americans claim he was done to take credit away from Froch. His two wins over Hopkins are beyond better than anything Olivarez was capable of. That's the truth you little flag waving Mexican hater.

Ward would toy with Golovkin too. But GGG is smallers than him naturally. This guy is a jerk than said that Froch is better than a legend like Olivares.

Top 50-60 fighter in history? Hahahahahahahahahaha I'll ask you one last time. Give me the names that Olivarez beat to be this so called great? You can't answer can you? Because you know his resume is garbage. He beat bums of no significance. Trying to justify his **** resume will only result in you making a bigger fool of yourself than you already do. So no, it's you who is the clown because you're too coward to answer the question. This jerk thinks that bute, Abraham, a shot Taylor and fu.cking Groves are great Legends. Rose was the #1 of the world. Bobby Chacón was a iconic fighter Castillo was #1 in the weight. Kid Gavilan. Salvatore . José Medel. All former champs of the world. In an age where only two belts. André toyed with Froch.

I'm not reading your sh.it, son. You are crazy and a clown. Your sh.it.means nothing. In your world Froch is a legend but really nobody cares about him in the boxing world. Olivares it's in all the list of the best 50-60 fighters in the history of the SPORT. You are a clown, nothing more. Top 50-60 fighter in history? Hahahahahahahahahaha I'll ask you one last time. Give me the names that Olivarez beat to be this so called great? You can't answer can you? Because you know his resume is garbage. He beat bums of no significance. Trying to justify his **** resume will only result in you making a bigger fool of yourself than you already do. So no, it's you who is the clown because you're too coward to answer the question.

List all the good fighters Olivarez beat? Tell me what was so good about them? Your ability to score a fight without bias is impossible. Olivarez wasn't clearly winning the fight against Arguello at all. Froch didn't need to go to 175 when there were so many quality fights for him at 168. He became a great fighter at just the one weight. If you can make weight and have quality fights there, not a single reason exists for moving up. Olivarez was the Bantamweight champ for a year before getting knocked out by a scrub in Castillo. He then got his title back from that scrub 6 months later. He then loses the title a year later to Herrera. So he wasn't champ for years at all. The two best fighters Olivarez beat are Chacon and Rose. The rest are scrubs. Olivarez did pick up a title at Feather... A vacant title against a scrub. Don't even dare claim that is worthy of discussion. Is that what Froch should have done? Fought at Lightheavy for a vacant title against a scrub? And what would that have proven exactly? Bantamweight must be really **** if Olivarez is considered one of the best in history for beating bums and getting beat by bums. Really ****. You're clearly the one who needs to learn about boxing. You're taking average fighters who did nothing worth talking about and casting them off as some kind of ATG when that couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. Tell me these fighters Olivarez beat to become this "ATG"? Don't duck this question like you did before. I'm not reading your sh.it, son. You are crazy and a clown. Your sh.it.means nothing. In your world Froch is a legend but really nobody cares about him in the boxing world. Olivares it's in all the list of the best 50-60 fighters in the history of the SPORT. You are a clown, nothing more.

I did not read your sh.it You are saying crazy things. Olivares was the king of the weight by some years and nope, he was winning clearly the fight against Arguello And was champ in 118vpounds and then in 126. Thats like Froch being champ in 175. Is considered one of the best bantamweight of the history and a great máster of boxing. You can say your sh.it but nobody in the world thinks like you Froch was ridiculized by Ward in his own división Learn about boxing. List all the good fighters Olivarez beat? Tell me what was so good about them? Your ability to score a fight without bias is impossible. Olivarez wasn't clearly winning the fight against Arguello at all. Froch didn't need to go to 175 when there were so many quality fights for him at 168. He became a great fighter at just the one weight. If you can make weight and have quality fights there, not a single reason exists for moving up. Olivarez was the Bantamweight champ for a year before getting knocked out by a scrub in Castillo. He then got his title back from that scrub 6 months later. He then loses the title a year later to Herrera. So he wasn't champ for years at all. The two best fighters Olivarez beat are Chacon and Rose. The rest are scrubs. Olivarez did pick up a title at Feather... A vacant title against a scrub. Don't even dare claim that is worthy of discussion. Is that what Froch should have done? Fought at Lightheavy for a vacant title against a scrub? And what would that have proven exactly? Bantamweight must be really **** if Olivarez is considered one of the best in history for beating bums and getting beat by bums. Really ****. You're clearly the one who needs to learn about boxing. You're taking average fighters who did nothing worth talking about and casting them off as some kind of ATG when that couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. Tell me these fighters Olivarez beat to become this "ATG"? Don't duck this question like you did before.

You did read it. It's due to you not being able to answer any questions that you refused. You don't know who those fighters beat, you just claim they're great because they had a lot of world title fights against scrubs. Johnny Nelson had 15 world title fights as well. But guess what? They were against scrubs. The only good fighter he beat was the guy he took the title off in Carl Thompson. A couple of decent ones in Sellers and the like, but mostly garbage. But you don't see anyone calling him a great fighter do you? I'm not a Mexican hater you clown. I don't smear great fighters from Mexico like an ignorant nationalist like you do with Brit fighters. You've got nothing good to say about any of them. You even think nobody cheats who haven't done a god damn thing in the sport is greater than a ATG Supermiddleweight who is clearly a legit HOF. You even said the division was weak even though it was stacked from top to bottom. So don't give me this hater nonsense. You're a biased clown who's there to be laughed at. Anything Mexican, even if it's crap, is better than a great fighter from Britain according to you. That's biased and being a hater. You now know what the world says do you? anyone who knows boxing knows many great fighters came from Britain throughout history. Only clowns who are ignorant and don't know anything about the sport claim otherwise. Most consider Froch a HOF fighter, not just me. Do a thread and find out for yourself to see what a plank you really are. Flag waving imbecile. Olivarez wasn't schooling Arguello either. It was a close fight. But you don't prove to be great because you put up a good fight against a great fighter. Is Douglas great because he dominated and knocked out Tyson? No. And he did much more in his fight than Olivarez did against Arguello. Is McCullough a great fighter because he gave Morales a tough fight? Is Maidana great because he gave Mayweather a tough fight? He did much better than Canelo came close to doing. Is he therefore greater than Canelo? Exactly! Don't mention your drug cheating, weight cheating, plaster cheating nobodies with Carl Froch again. I did not read your sh.it You are saying crazy things. Olivares was the king of the weight by some years and nope, he was winning clearly the fight against Arguello And was champ in 118vpounds and then in 126. Thats like Froch being champ in 175. Is considered one of the best bantamweight of the history and a great máster of boxing. You can say your sh.it but nobody in the world thinks like you Froch was ridiculized by Ward in his own división Learn about boxing.

I did not read your sh.it. You are clearly a mexican hater. Don't worry. Nobody in the world says your sh.it and nobody in the world says that Froch is a Legendary fighter , except you lol. I guess you are the mom of Froch. And man, really you don't know sh.it about boxing Olivares was one of the best fighters of his era and he was shot and was schooling Alexis Arguello Being very smallers than Alexis. Ward ridiculized Froch in his own weight. You did read it. It's due to you not being able to answer any questions that you refused. You don't know who those fighters beat, you just claim they're great because they had a lot of world title fights against scrubs. Johnny Nelson had 15 world title fights as well. But guess what? They were against scrubs. The only good fighter he beat was the guy he took the title off in Carl Thompson. A couple of decent ones in Sellers and the like, but mostly garbage. But you don't see anyone calling him a great fighter do you? I'm not a Mexican hater you clown. I don't smear great fighters from Mexico like an ignorant nationalist like you do with Brit fighters. You've got nothing good to say about any of them. You even think nobody cheats who haven't done a god damn thing in the sport is greater than a ATG Supermiddleweight who is clearly a legit HOF. You even said the division was weak even though it was stacked from top to bottom. So don't give me this hater nonsense. You're a biased clown who's there to be laughed at. Anything Mexican, even if it's crap, is better than a great fighter from Britain according to you. That's biased and being a hater. You now know what the world says do you? anyone who knows boxing knows many great fighters came from Britain throughout history. Only clowns who are ignorant and don't know anything about the sport claim otherwise. Most consider Froch a HOF fighter, not just me. Do a thread and find out for yourself to see what a plank you really are. Flag waving imbecile. Olivarez wasn't schooling Arguello either. It was a close fight. But you don't prove to be great because you put up a good fight against a great fighter. Is Douglas great because he dominated and knocked out Tyson? No. And he did much more in his fight than Olivarez did against Arguello. Is McCullough a great fighter because he gave Morales a tough fight? Is Maidana great because he gave Mayweather a tough fight? He did much better than Canelo came close to doing. Is he therefore greater than Canelo? Exactly! Don't mention your drug cheating, weight cheating, plaster cheating nobodies with Carl Froch again.

Froch by stoppage. The Froch that fought Ward would back down and bully GGG.

Hahahahahaha I'm the one on drugs?? After you just wrote all this garbage? Who has Canelo fought and beaten? He got dominated by Floyd, lost to Lara but got a gift, then got two gifts against Gennady. Anybody can lose. Anybody can lose and get corrupt decisions like Canelo has his whole career. The cheating surrounding this cheat is disgraceful. Ands that's before we get to the failed drug tests. The only fighters he's beaten fair and square are Trout and a much smaller and well past prime Miguel Cotto. So his resume is absolutely crap. It doesn't come anywhere near close to competing with Froch. You're just a deluded fan boy who horribly overrates basic fighters and casts them off as some kind of greats. It's hilarious really. Lopez fought a long stream of bums. One of the worst resumes you'll ever see. Who did he beat that was any good? When he did eventually fight a decent fighter, he got dropped in an even fight that ended in a draw. Get out of here. J L Ramirez?? He beat Edwards in his very last fight and got a decision against Whittiker. Apart from that, he lost to pretty much any good fighter he fought. So GTFOH. Ruben Olivares?? Tell me who he beat? Margarito?? MR plaster himself? That disgusting cheat? His resume is Cotto, Cintron, Lewis and Clottey. That's it. The fact you think we should be discussing this shameful cheat only shows how low you're willing to go. Morales I agree with, but he's another Mexican drug cheat. Miguel Canto?? Tell me who he beat? Break it down the good fighters he has wins over? Tell me why his opponents are good? Which Roman are we talking about? Be specific. Carlos Zarate?? Hahahahaha That guy has more bums on his resume than beg in New York city. When he did step up, he lost. Tell me which complete tomato can he beat that you think was any good? Castillo has Johnston, Corrales, Casamayor and Diaz. That's it. And he had to do the Mexican special against Corrales by coming in well over weight. Not on the level of Froch. Nery? The drug and weight cheat?? Hahahahahahahahahaha. The guy who has only beaten a finished Yamanaka? And that doesn't count because he cheated with drugs and the weight. Don't mention this shameful Mexican cheat again. Who the **** has Estrada beaten? He loses when ever he steps up. GTFOH. He's beaten no one. Tell me who Humberto Gonzales beat? Because you're just giving me Mexicans who have a lot of world title fights but beat mostly scrubs. You don't know the guys he beat so stop pretending. Mikey Garcia? The American Garcia? The Garcia who's biggest win is against that bum Broner? Hahahahahaha. His resume is littered with nobodies. Tell me when he even comes close to achieving half of what Froch did. De LA Hoya is American as well. These fighters are not Mexican. Orlando Canizales is also American. Mexicans, stupid. I said Mexicans. Froch is better and more proven than most of these. And this was the best you could come up with in history? Shameful. You've got fighters who aren't even Mexican, drug and weight cheats, And fighters who beat nothing but bums. Not forgetting that phony Canelo Who is a drug cheat and has the most corruption surrounding him in world boxing. So as I say, Froch is better than most Mexicans in history. That's a fact regardless of your delusion. You're a clown, just like the dirty cheats that come out of your country all the time. I did not read your sh.it. You are clearly a mexican hater. Don't worry. Nobody in the world says your sh.it and nobody in the world says that Froch is a Legendary fighter , except you lol. I guess you are the mom of Froch. And man, really you don't know sh.it about boxing Olivares was one of the best fighters of his era and he was shot and was schooling Alexis Arguello Being very smallers than Alexis. Ward ridiculized Froch in his own weight.

You are on drugs, really. Canelo is way better than Froch, Froch fought with a lot of A fighters, not super-elite fighters. 168 pounds always is a mediocre division. Fu.ck. Estrada and Nery actually are better fighters, and Viloria win is better than the best win of Froch, the same with Nery against Yamanaka that was an idol in Japan. Easy. Chávez. Sánchez. Morales. Barrera. Márquez. López. Olivares. Saldivar. Canto. Román. J.L Ramírez. Zárate. Castillo. Margarito. Canelo. Nery. Estrada. Humberto González. Mikey Garcia. Babe Arizmendi. José Luis Castillo. Óscar de la Hoya. Canizales. And much more. You are fu.cking crazy and ignorante as hell. U.K boxing is sh.it against mexican boxing. And Froch was a good fighter fighting in a mediocre division that only had an extraordinary fighter in André Ward. Hahahahahaha I'm the one on drugs?? After you just wrote all this garbage? Who has Canelo fought and beaten? He got dominated by Floyd, lost to Lara but got a gift, then got two gifts against Gennady. Anybody can lose. Anybody can lose and get corrupt decisions like Canelo has his whole career. The cheating surrounding this cheat is disgraceful. Ands that's before we get to the failed drug tests. The only fighters he's beaten fair and square are Trout and a much smaller and well past prime Miguel Cotto. So his resume is absolutely crap. It doesn't come anywhere near close to competing with Froch. You're just a deluded fan boy who horribly overrates basic fighters and casts them off as some kind of greats. It's hilarious really. Lopez fought a long stream of bums. One of the worst resumes you'll ever see. Who did he beat that was any good? When he did eventually fight a decent fighter, he got dropped in an even fight that ended in a draw. Get out of here. J L Ramirez?? He beat Edwards in his very last fight and got a decision against Whittiker. Apart from that, he lost to pretty much any good fighter he fought. So GTFOH. Ruben Olivares?? Tell me who he beat? Margarito?? MR plaster himself? That disgusting cheat? His resume is Cotto, Cintron, Lewis and Clottey. That's it. The fact you think we should be discussing this shameful cheat only shows how low you're willing to go. Morales I agree with, but he's another Mexican drug cheat. Miguel Canto?? Tell me who he beat? Break it down the good fighters he has wins over? Tell me why his opponents are good? Which Roman are we talking about? Be specific. Carlos Zarate?? Hahahahaha That guy has more bums on his resume than beg in New York city. When he did step up, he lost. Tell me which complete tomato can he beat that you think was any good? Castillo has Johnston, Corrales, Casamayor and Diaz. That's it. And he had to do the Mexican special against Corrales by coming in well over weight. Not on the level of Froch. Nery? The drug and weight cheat?? Hahahahahahahahahaha. The guy who has only beaten a finished Yamanaka? And that doesn't count because he cheated with drugs and the weight. Don't mention this shameful Mexican cheat again. Who the **** has Estrada beaten? He loses when ever he steps up. GTFOH. He's beaten no one. Tell me who Humberto Gonzales beat? Because you're just giving me Mexicans who have a lot of world title fights but beat mostly scrubs. You don't know the guys he beat so stop pretending. Mikey Garcia? The American Garcia? The Garcia who's biggest win is against that bum Broner? Hahahahahaha. His resume is littered with nobodies. Tell me when he even comes close to achieving half of what Froch did. De LA Hoya is American as well. These fighters are not Mexican. Orlando Canizales is also American. Mexicans, stupid. I said Mexicans. Froch is better and more proven than most of these. And this was the best you could come up with in history? Shameful. You've got fighters who aren't even Mexican, drug and weight cheats, And fighters who beat nothing but bums. Not forgetting that phony Canelo Who is a drug cheat and has the most corruption surrounding him in world boxing. So as I say, Froch is better than most Mexicans in history. That's a fact regardless of your delusion. You're a clown, just like the dirty cheats that come out of your country all the time.

Okay you can sop being gay now :boxing: No that's you, mr. dumbest :fu2:

ggg was clearly hurt from Bute's liver shots and Bute followed it up with head shots. The ref stopped Bute who was having his best moment of the bout of either fighter, allowed ggg 12 secs to recover, yet you don't think that affected the outcome? The sole reason ggg even won gold was because the real 160 champion, Ward, was voluntarily fighting at LHW. Ouma did not lose every round, the judges had it 87-84, 86-85, 86-85 Ouma was arguably winning the fight until ggg finally got to him late. Prime Kassim Ouma would've pulled off that W. ggg barely beat Dirrel by 5pts in the amateurs lol, Dirrel is a much better pro just like ggg was a much better amateur. Froch is also 10x the pro than he was as an amateur losing to Manfredo. Dirrel dominated 160 champion Arthur Abraham, arguably beat Froch too. WTF has ggg done to compare to those accomplishments? Go life and death with Ouma, Jacobs, and lose to a guy with 0 wins at 160? Lol! What a fkn retard you are. Crawl out of your mental hole and we'll talk reasonably.

Based of what? Your own bias? :nonono: Based on stats you banned idiot lol

Froch is a better and more proven fighter than most Mexican fighters throughout history. Froch is a legit great fighter and a future HOF. You're just a biased idiot who has nothing good to say about British fighters but cry when people tell the truth about your guys and call them haters. You're one of the biggest haters on the site. Name all these Mexicans throughout history who had a better resume than Froch? List those victories as well. You are on drugs, really. Canelo is way better than Froch, Froch fought with a lot of A fighters, not super-elite fighters. 168 pounds always is a mediocre division. Fu.ck. Estrada and Nery actually are better fighters, and Viloria win is better than the best win of Froch, the same with Nery against Yamanaka that was an idol in Japan. Easy. Chávez. Sánchez. Morales. Barrera. Márquez. López. Olivares. Saldivar. Canto. Román. J.L Ramírez. Zárate. Castillo. Margarito. Canelo. Nery. Estrada. Humberto González. Mikey Garcia. Babe Arizmendi. José Luis Castillo. Óscar de la Hoya. Canizales. And much more. You are fu.cking crazy and ignorante as hell. U.K boxing is sh.it against mexican boxing. And Froch was a good fighter fighting in a mediocre division that only had an extraordinary fighter in André Ward.

Getting knocked down means you bow to them? Froch wasn't hurt and got up to knock Taylor out. That's bowing down, when you take their soul. Taylor is also a better fighter than anyone G has beat. If all Froch had to do is deal with the bums G did, then he would have ended them in a few rounds like he did with Mack. But there is no substance to beating that level of fighter. Sorry, but Froch is the superior fighter and proved that by beating a whole host of superior fighters. G comes nowhere near to being close. What you mentioned is irrelevant Taylor and Froch having better resumes than GGG, doesn't mean they're better lol. Taylor got crushed by Kelly Pavlik and Arthur Abraham ffs. Froch lost to the most robotic fighter in boxing history: Mikkel Kessler. The reality is that Golovkin is better than Taylor, and Golovkin is also better than Froch. Their resumes are irrelevant. Yes, Golovkin would make Froch bow before him.

Gennady was hesitant against Stevens, Lemieux, and especially Jacobs. It wasn't just Canelo. Gennady never came close to knocking out Jacobs who had a glass chin but he's going to knock out someone with an iron jaw who is a higher weight class? Don't bet on fights no matter what you do. With predictions like this you'll lose all your money in double quick time. Ha thats why I don't bet. I'm still doing ok in the pik em though and I'm just a newbie��

couldn't disagree with you more. Golovkin is better than Froch from every stand point. I'm not sure why boxing fans can't think in periods of more than last 12 months. Just because he didn't land well on Canelo doesn't mean he's am average boxer or has accuracy issues. Dude was one of the most accurate punchers in the world for past 5 years. Froch would be a mess by the 3rd round. He's made of iron, but he won't come close to Golovkin often and will look like lacy against Calzaghe. Groves has been down a lot on his career. Stop comparing him to Golovkin. Maybe he has slightly better one punch ko power, but he's not close in every other department. Golovkin by easy decision or mid-late ko. First off if you are clever enough to quote me than you're clever enough to see that i was responding to a Groves comparison you dingbat. You can't measure Froch based on an eyeball test because he looks horrible doing everything, his technique is not polished, there have been fighters like him down the years. These types break the mould, and their intangibles must be factored in. You are also underestimating Froch's boxing ability, GGG fans are very quick to point to his Silver medal and amateur pedigree, but Froch himself was no slouch, he was a double ABA champion and got a Bronze at the world championships, a decorated amateur by anyone's standards, this is not JCC Jr we are talking about. But for sure he was more suited to the pro game, and as a pro he was a human truth machine, if you had weaknesses, he would find them and expose them. Opponents couldn't kid their way through a fight with Froch, he was too determined, too commited to do damage, and he had the chin and enough ability to get him to the target. Over the past 20 years, there haven't been that many, what I would call genuine 15 round fighters. Of the past generation Floyd certainly was, Manny too, Marquez prob was, and Froch defintely was, I always thought the 12 round distance is probably a detriment to him. Ward dominated their fight, but the way Froch was coming on in 11 and 12 is one of the moments I realised what I force of nature he was, Ward was a superbly conditioned fighter, we saw that in the Kova fights, Froch was a freak of nature in this respect. Fact is you had to be either super gifted or an all round fighter to even compete with him. He had an effective jab, good punch variety, elite chin/stamina, and very good power, but it's his intangibles which made him a HOFer, and we are taking about that determination, the heart, bravery, the stuff that can't be taught or learned. He obviously had short comings, he could be outboxed, he wasn't the fastest, feet or hands, defensively pretty poor. But here's the thing these short comings were only exposed at the highest level, and even then he won most of those fights. He went through an absolute gauntlet of competition from Jean Pascal on. Now I'll take people picking GGG over Froch, but what I wont take is the hogwash you just came out with. There is no way GGG has an easy time with Froch, no one did, and I certainly can't see a smaller guy having an easy time. GGG is NOT that kind of special. I'll retirate I see a competitive fight, a fight where I can see how both guys could win, but I like Froch to take over in the second half.

Use real words and you'll have the actual answer. But if there was a such thing as a dumbist, it would mean that you're the leader of a dumb cult of dummies. :beerchug: Okay you can sop being gay now :boxing: