Virgil Hunter is Overrated

Every trainer can be overrated when matched with a pupil who has a style that does not mesh with their methods. Imagine Terence Crawford with Abel Sanchez Imagine Vasyl Lomachenko with Norman Stone Imagine Demetrius Andrade with Freddy Roach

"Cant teach an old dog new tricks."

Hunter is a motivational speaker. Hes all theory He dksab

Virge is over rated as fck His fighter had **** last night **** Breazeale walking in with ttits Virge has gotta be one overrated trainer

He's a good trainer. Andre Ward wasn't built in one fight. Can't fix a shot fighter who never had it mentally.

how Hunter behaved in that fight was disgraceful and disgusting. he basically said "fucc this guy". if I'm Dirrell I dont pay him his cut. that was an atrocious display from a so called great coach. rewatch the fight. he didn't even bother to face his fighter. he was shouting from behind him. that probably demoralized Dirrell even more. Uzcategui came with his A game and he was laser sharp but a great coach goes down in flames alongside his fighter not hide like a coward behind the ropes. Berto hasn't improved. Khan hasn't improved. Angulo was the same old punching bag with Hunter. Ward is god given talent. period.

There was once a time when every fighter and their mama went to Buddy McGirt.

How did Hunter improve Angulo, though? There's video where he says that he left Virgil because he couldn't really tailor his approach to fit in with a Mexican style fighter. Whether Virgil could "tailor his approach to fit in with a Mexican style fighter", he was able to get Angulo to better find his space to fire his shots on the inside, while also helping build Angulo, the man, up better to be able to get through the rough patches needed for him to have his chance to succeed. Hunter was never going to make Angulo Andre Ward, and I doubt that he even tried to, tbh, but there were clear things that Virgil Hunter was able to show and teach Angulo that helped round out what Angulo had already been taught. For whatever reason, Virgil Hunter has seemed to become a type of "last chance saloon" for guys that Virgil sees as having something left to offer the sport, which is commendable imo. If Angulo wanted to fight a certain way, that's his perogative to seek that out.

Proof for Virgil will be with Tony Yoka. IF he can take an Olympic gold medalist and mould him into a heavyweight world champion would confirm he's a great trainer for me. A lot of fighters who've reached world level already have ingrained habits that are very difficult to change.

Hunter improved Angulo, Hunter improved Berto, and Hunter has done wonders to improve Amir Khan (it took four camps, but Hunter had gotten through to Khan so well that he was basically out boxing Saul Alvarez for 4 rounds before he started to lose his focus). Not all style fits are successful (Mares came in, fought well under Virgil Hunter, but didn't really fight like Abner Mares so he chose to head elsewhere. Fonfara was only in his second fight when he got put back in with Adonis Stevenson, so that's basically an incomplete at this point). Let's see how Peter Quillin ends up looking with Hunter (they've quietly been working together for over a year at this point, with Quillin having already gotten his first 8-rounder out of the way, so let's see how the rebuild goes). Beyond that, Virgil Hunter basically has 3-5 pups that he's basically developing from the ground up: Tony Yoka, his cruiserweight, Mario Barrios, and Joey Spencer, with others likely there that no one knows about just yet. Don't let the hate consume you, lol How did Hunter improve Angulo, though? There's video where he says that he left Virgil because he couldn't really tailor his approach to fit in with a Mexican style fighter.

lol fighters go to him on the strength of Andre Ward. but Ward is god given talent. Hunter has never improved anybody that he trains. in the Dirrell fight he just gave up on his fighter. didn't even bother to go to the ropes in between rounds just barking orders from a distance. time to be real he is an overrated trainer. Hunter improved Angulo, Hunter improved Berto, and Hunter has done wonders to improve Amir Khan (it took four camps, but Hunter had gotten through to Khan so well that he was basically out boxing Saul Alvarez for 4 rounds before he started to lose his focus). Not all style fits are successful (Mares came in, fought well under Virgil Hunter, but didn't really fight like Abner Mares so he chose to head elsewhere. Fonfara was only in his second fight when he got put back in with Adonis Stevenson, so that's basically an incomplete at this point). Let's see how Peter Quillin ends up looking with Hunter (they've quietly been working together for over a year at this point, with Quillin having already gotten his first 8-rounder out of the way, so let's see how the rebuild goes). Beyond that, Virgil Hunter basically has 3-5 pups that he's basically developing from the ground up: Tony Yoka, his cruiserweight, Mario Barrios, and Joey Spencer, with others likely there that no one knows about just yet. Don't let the hate consume you, lol

In general I think trainers are overrated. Thats not to say any a$$hole sitting in a gym with a towel around his neck can train you. But I think most guys who achieve big things were gonna achieve them, within a certain margin of error, with a lot of high level trainers. I mean look at a guy like Mike Tyson. If he'd have had Cuz D'Amato & Kevin Rooney as his brain trust for longer he'd likely have reached a higher peak (imo anyway), but later after Cus passed & Rooney was dumped, Tyson with mfers who used a condom for an enswell was winning/defending world titles. Specifically with this fight it seemed like neither Hunter OR Dirrell were fully into their particular tasks last night. It was a weird a$$ situation. Dirrell didn't seem to trust or listen to Hunter & Hunter wasn't even bothering to get in the ring past a certain round I don't think. To me it looked like Stitch called the fight, maybe cuz he knew the whole story before & during the fight as an observer, but I couldn't quite makeout the audio so idk that for sure. Either way this didn't seem like a fighter/trainer matchup that was "working" before this fight from how quick things went south in this fight. What about lomachenko dad? Dud was the coach of the Ukrainian boxing team and it seems like all of those guys have really solid foundation. Seems like a great coach for me but i do agree with you to an extent. Without talent the trainer isn't going anywhere.

I too was puzzled as to why Virgil was staying outside the ring in between rounds. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to connect to these veteran fighters he's hired to train. As far as the fight last night, Uzcategui fought a really smart, controlled fight and turned it on when he needed to. I also believe Dirrell is nearing or at the end of his career.

Hunter was never any good to start with. He just fooled alot of people with his creepy whispering.

Lol god given talent. Hate when people say this. Ward is as good as he is cause Virgil trained him since he was 10. If Joe Schmo was his trainer he most likely would not be a HOFer You can’t expect someone who is a b or C fighter like berto and khan go to Virgil and become ward.

I mean look at a guy like Mike Tyson. If he'd have had Cuz D'Amato & Kevin Rooney as his brain trust for longer he'd likely have reached a higher peak (imo anyway), but later after Cus passed & Rooney was dumped, Tyson with mfers who used a condom for an enswell was winning/defending world titles. Tyson had success afterwards precisely BECAUSE of the foundation that Cus laid down. Even though his skills slowly deteriorated more and more as time went by the fundamentals that were ingrained in him were enough to keep him winning for a while.

His relationship with Ward is special and Ward is a skilled fighter.. The results were there to see.. Amir khan, Berto don't have the same impact on them with Hunter in their corner.. Dirrell actually did better last fight than he did this time around with Hunter.. I don't know what advise he was giving him but I could hear him saying don't quit yet, fight one more round but Dirrell had given up already.. Very few coaches have that effect on fighters.. The great Emanuel Steward is one of the guys who made a lot of champs Lennox, Wlad, Hearns, Stevenson... the list just goes on...

In general I would agree. But you can't use the Dirrell fight as the example. Not enough time to work together.

I think his style of training is better with someone starting from scratch, since they are like a sponge and not set in their ways Maybe he overcomplicates things when it comes to technique and fighters cant utilize it in a real fight, have no idea.

Hunter is like that useless mechanic who has one great car that keeps buying old junky vehicles just to end up hoarding junkers at his shop.