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its a pretty good argument.
and of course the "isnt ready" refers to lomochenko.
discuss.
Because I want the best fighting the best of each divisions. What's the problem? Loma is moving up to 135 now so it's over. But they were #1 and #2 at 130.
Tank was never #2 at 130. If you want the best fighting the best then Loma/berchelt should fight, Tank should fight Machado and the winners unify.
you have to make the step up at some point though. its sink or swim at the highest level. Instead of spending years and years gradually 'preparing yourself' just ****ing fight them in the first place, if you lose so be it, learn from it and improve and youll probably get another shot. Some fighters step up and pass the test. Some fighters dont, like lubin. In fact lomachenko didnt when he lost to salido. But its not the end of the road when you lose, provided you learn from the experience and come back stronger. You have to let fighters off the leash at some point. In my opinion theres no intention of working towards that fight anyway, its likely lomachenko is going to keep moving up the weights. But to be honest if he doubts himself that much, and his handlers doubt him, i cant imagine hes ever going to be a good enough calibre fighter to beat someone like lomachenko.
We agree about years. That said, you are jumping the gun with that complaint.
Yes, you can have that attitude but no promoter does when building a fighter. They are trying to maximize profit for that fighter. you of course know this-which is why GGG kept koing bums or was willing to got to 168 for Chavez jr or Froch and didn't show the same enthusiasm to fight Ward at that weight.
Agree you have to let him off the leash at some point, which is why you fight salido or Machado before you fight a Loma or Berchelt.
Wait a sec. A few minutes ago it was a good fight. Now you cant imagine hes ever going to be a good enough caliber fighter to beat someone like loma. Make up your mind homie.
WTF? No justification needed. Literally everyone credible on this site thinks Loma murks Tank right now.
WHy do you want to see it now?
Because I want the best fighting the best of each divisions. What's the problem? Loma is moving up to 135 now so it's over. But they were #1 and #2 at 130.
Cause it's a good fight? Why you all so scared of tank losing? All tank has to do is win a couple of rounds, not quit and his reputation will be enhanced. Or does he have to retire or something if he loses?
LMFAO. I am not scared of Tank losing, I am predicting Tank will lose.
The point I made earlier was comparing Tank to Erickson Lubin. Lubin stepped up way over his head and took a vicious KO. No reason for Tank to take a KO loss like that.
I also compared him to Oscar Valdez, another young champion. Valdez is fighting Quigg next, not Santa Cruz or another top tier FW.
It is surprising you think this would be a good fight, given you have posted Loma is as good as Floyd, Tank isn't as good as Canelo was, and you feel Canelo was "too green" for Floyd.
Well true but I doubt this would be a big deal if it wasn't a Floyd promoted boxer.
Maybe.. I remember people getting pretty pissy with Canelo after he won his title
Come on, you can't justify this duck. It's an L.
WTF? No justification needed. Literally everyone credible on this site thinks Loma murks Tank right now.
WHy do you want to see it now?
For sure, I know how the game goes lol, I'm just saying that's how it should be. No sense is having your fighter get a ton of negative press and fan reaction if he's not ready for the best of the best
Well true but I doubt this would be a big deal if it wasn't a Floyd promoted boxer.
In previous eras yes. In the 4 belt era, that isn't how it works.
Promoters get guys titles far before they earned a title fight. So you have situations where guys have belts but weren't truly #1 contenders for titles based on who they beat, but how much the promoter slid the sanctioning body.
For sure, I know how the game goes lol, I'm just saying that's how it should be. No sense is having your fighter get a ton of negative press and fan reaction if he's not ready for the best of the best
In previous eras yes. In the 4 belt era, that isn't how it works.
Promoters get guys titles far before they earned a title fight. So you have situations where guys have belts but weren't truly #1 contenders for titles based on who they beat, but how much the promoter slid the sanctioning body.
Come on, you can't justify this duck. It's an L.
This is why fighters who "aren't ready" shouldn't be fighting for belts. Once you have a strap, that sh.t goes out the window
In previous eras yes. In the 4 belt era, that isn't how it works.
Promoters get guys titles far before they earned a title fight. So you have situations where guys have belts but weren't truly #1 contenders for titles based on who they beat, but how much the promoter slid the sanctioning body.
All I'll say is the some of the same people crying out for Loma vs Tank claim Canelo was green when he fought Floyd.
I'd have no issue with the fight. I do know it won't be competitive, and wuld rather see Loma test himself.
It's straight up cowardice lol, he's terrified of lomachenko and it's hilarious guys making excuses for him. I remember not too long ago people saying Loma has to prove himself by fighting tank lol, I saw that in a bumped thread the other day. I guarantee tank starts acting like Billy big bollocks once lomachenko leaves the division. People making him sound like.a teenager instead of 23, he's a grown man.
Please point me in the direction of that thread. It's hardly surprising. He was ducking Easter 3 weeks ago, then he was cherry picking him 2 weeks ago, now he's cherry picking Linares and ducking the welterweight division.
Usyk and Lomachenko are two completely different levels of fighters. It is true that Davis, who has 1 good fighter on his resume, is not ready for Lomachenko.
There isn't much to be "ready" for Usyk, who is sloppy as hell and not in the same level P4P that Lomachenko is. If you think Davis is ready for Lomachenko, you are on drugs, or drunk. Not saying that Gassiev will dispatch of Usyk, just saying Gassiev has it easier with Usyk, who isn't all that in my eyes, than Davis has it with Lomachenko, who is pretty damn great and has twice as much am fights as Davis.
We're talking about an A+ level fighter in Lomachenko. Usyk, maybe a B level, idk and idc what he is, but it sure as hell not an A level fighter.
Exhibit A: If you don't think your fighter can win, he isn't ready.
What a pathetic excuse.
Fans of the sport should want the titles to be united and not to be held hostage if you hold a world title you should 100pc be willing to fight the best, but we have excuse enablers who are too busy being fanboys hoping their boy wins instead of getting embarrassed.
If he isn't ready now he never will be ready.
so how many more years until tank is "ready"? lol
the mofo has TWICE as much experience at the pro level as loma does. what more preparation does he need?
imo once u become champ u should be ready for all comers. stop talking about tank like hes a toddler. thats a grown azz man. the mofo is not even allowed to answer questions about loma. ellerbe and floyd always jump in to answer for him.
does he need more "experience" to even answer the questions about loma too? what opponent is out there that will prepare tank for loma? there is none. if hes not good enough now he'll never be. loma is moving up so I guess its time to leave the baby tank alone. he still being treated like he in diapers.
TMT just trying to sellout that L from new era mini-Tyson. so may be another 3 to 4 years. if they ever even fight
Would it not be better for boxing if Tank fought Loma when both reached their absolute top having cleaned the dojo of any competition.
Tank really needs to have more fights to be able to show his best, Loma has where to grow too.
To cut it short, a fight held in a couple of years from now would definitely be much more interesting and competitive than a fight between them held in 2018.
We all call Gassiev-Tank-Canelo too green but unlike Tank, Canelo-Gassiev took their chances despite being so damn young against the best fighter at that time in their weight class. It doesn't justify ducking and sh1t.
Canelo jumped at the chance to make millions against Mayweather. Anyone would. It's the fans that are saying he was green with a 42-0 record. Gassiev is facing other boxers that are equal in status to himself. Just like when Lomachenko fought Russell. Now Lomachenko is P4P status. You're asking Tank (who isn't even mature enough to make "life" decisions) to take on the top guy at this point in his career. Without the financial rewards. Come on man!