FAO Deontay Wilder: Floyd's Shown You How to Make a Mega Fight

There you have it, even though the gap commercially between Floyd and Oscar was much smaller than Deontay and AJ, Floyd took 28% of the guaranteed money. Your numbers are wrong. Floyd earned 33%, not 28%.

For those not old enough to remember, the Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder situation isn't without precedent. Floyd before he was "Money" was an emerging PPV star and considered P4P the best. Oscar was the biggest name in boxing after Roy wasn't Roy anymore and Tyson had retired. So this is how the negotiations went down, which was detailed in this article. Terms were not disclosed, but both sides said that the fighters will make career-high purses. In De La Hoya's case, that means more than $25 million. For Mayweather, it means at least $10 million. Both will probably earn much more than that if the pay-per-view is a hit. "We are just glad we were able to come to the agreement," Ellerbe said. "Oscar is a great businessman, him and Richard both. The negotiations were smooth. We didn't have any problems. This is about giving the fans what they want. And it's about Floyd's legacy in the sport. Floyd wants to go down as the best ever and Oscar is the biggest name in the sport." There you have it, even though the gap commercially between Floyd and Oscar was much smaller than Deontay and AJ, Floyd took 28% of the guaranteed money. IF Wilder is what he says he is, then, like Floyd he would take AJ's terms to prove himself. But as AJ said this guy is just a belt seller. There is nothing wrong with that except lying about it and saying you're something you're not. All facts.

You're underestimating the effectiveness of the brand building job achieved by Matchroom and Team Joshua. Presuming he takes care of Parker AJ can leave a flat cash offer on the table to Wilder and then make serious money fighting a combination of suitably hyped mandatory defences and perhaps some manufactured domestic clashes, Whyte 2 say or Haye if he shows well against Bellew. In the distance could be Fury who on this side of the Atlantic would make a much more lucrative opponent. That's 2 years or more of big earning supplemented by extensive extra ring income from the growing list of endorsements AJ is landing. In the meantime Wilder is getting older, risking his belt for 1.5m a time and seemingly failing to cut through to an increasingly jaded US audience who don't seem to have taken him to their hearts. There's a big imbalance between the two. As you say, Wilder needs AJ for a big payday, but whilst AJ wants the belt, undisputed title and greater US exposure, he has a pretty good pathway carved out should that option not deliver him what he thinks he's worth. So Deontay has some thinking to do... I think Eddie Hearn owes me a consultancy check... :boxing:

Of course they do, it's their job to. You're alleging however that British Joshua fans are terrified of Wilder and I'm saying most of them don't know wtf he is. They know Fury, they knew Klitschko, but Wilder's profile at present here is not in that league. It's cheap programming for them I suspect, given the timezone and the current awarness, but there was next to no promotion for his last fight. A pity as I enjoyed the undercard even if Wilder Stiverne didn't end so abruptly. Of course, but, as above, AJ's doing very nicely without that recognition. The difference is that the US is Wilder's home market and he can't deliver that. AJ delivers his home market. As a fan of boxing, sure, I'd like to see them fight. I don't see AJ as the main obstacle however, especially with Wilder demanding 50% of a pie he's done little to create. I don't think AJ will be fighting Brezeale or Whyte though. He's shown he wants to keep on improving the standard of his opposition. He's risked more, sooner than Wilder and he's reaping the rewards for that. Parker, maybe a mandatory against Povetkin or Pulev unless Wilder changes his tune will all be interesting fights for me, because there's still a rawness to Joshua due to his relative inexperience. Fury on the horizon could be the biggest of the lot. That wouldn't be treading water, although Hearn may throw a domestic crowd pleaser into that schedule to keep the cash registers ringing and keep AJ in shape at low risk. In which case, yes, Wilder would be a better bout. But he's overstating his importance at present. He's done little to merit some of the hype from his own and other quarters and he's not the only show in town. I kinda think he is the only plausible BIG fight for 2018 though, I can’t see Fury-Joshua happening in 2018 and I don’t think the Haye fight is that plausible with the level Haye is at now. If Fury was active and Haye was anywhere near his prime, I’d completely agree with you but I don’t see them fights happening, Parker is the only other interesting fight IMO purely on the basis that it’s a unification. Although I think both AJ and Wilder beat him handily. Wilder is over-estimating his worth, but Hearn is under-estimating it. Hopefully they can meet somewhere in the middle, cause I have no desire to watch them in meaningless fights vs Pulev/Brezeale when they could just fight one another in a super fight for loads more £££$$$

That’s their job is your excuse? So nobody over there in Britain is reading the British press then since nobody knows who Wilder is right? Give me a damn break. I don't think I can simplify it any further. He's just not well known outside of the most engaged fans. Maybe it's related to the quality of opposition he's faced?

That’s their job is your excuse? So nobody over there in Britain is reading the British press then since nobody knows who Wilder is right? Give me a damn break. What's this none sense about us in the UK not knowing who Wilder is, it's a load of rubbish mate. If there is one heavyweight which they know off outside the UK it's Wilder. Furthermore, Matchroom sold AJ v Charles Martin on PPV ffs !!!

A lot is riding on the outcome of Fury's UKAD hearing on December the 11th, if Fury is given the go ahead to resume his Boxing career we may not see AJ face Wilder until 2019, maybe even 2020. This is because the bigger fight from a financial point of view in the UK is AJ v Fury. Wilder is too dangerous for AJ, losing to him will mean that his fight with Fury will not be as big as it could have been plus his purse wouldn't be as fatter. Regardless though, Fury is not going to return anytime soon even if he is cleared given his poor condition although his training has resumed. So it's all about whether or not AJ wants to take the risk? am not sure he will, he's already being stubborn about a 65-35 split in his favour to face Parker.

Of course they do, it's their job to. You're alleging however that British Joshua fans are terrified of Wilder and I'm saying most of them don't know wtf he is. They know Fury, they knew Klitschko, but Wilder's profile at present here is not in that league. It's cheap programming for them I suspect, given the timezone and the current awarness, but there was next to no promotion for his last fight. A pity as I enjoyed the undercard even if Wilder Stiverne didn't end so abruptly. Of course, but, as above, AJ's doing very nicely without that recognition. The difference is that the US is Wilder's home market and he can't deliver that. AJ delivers his home market. As a fan of boxing, sure, I'd like to see them fight. I don't see AJ as the main obstacle however, especially with Wilder demanding 50% of a pie he's done little to create. I don't think AJ will be fighting Brezeale or Whyte though. He's shown he wants to keep on improving the standard of his opposition. He's risked more, sooner than Wilder and he's reaping the rewards for that. Parker, maybe a mandatory against Povetkin or Pulev unless Wilder changes his tune will all be interesting fights for me, because there's still a rawness to Joshua due to his relative inexperience. Fury on the horizon could be the biggest of the lot. That wouldn't be treading water, although Hearn may throw a domestic crowd pleaser into that schedule to keep the cash registers ringing and keep AJ in shape at low risk. In which case, yes, Wilder would be a better bout. But he's overstating his importance at present. He's done little to merit some of the hype from his own and other quarters and he's not the only show in town. That’s their job is your excuse? So nobody over there in Britain is reading the British press then since nobody knows who Wilder is right? Give me a damn break.

The British press knows who he is. That’s all they asked Joshua about was Wilder. It wasn’t Takam and it definitely wasn’t that scrub Parker. Of course they do, it's their job to. You're alleging however that British Joshua fans are terrified of Wilder and I'm saying most of them don't know wtf he is. They know Fury, they knew Klitschko, but Wilder's profile at present here is not in that league. he’s not some HUGE draw in the UK but he must attract a solid audience when he fights on sky sports or they wouldn’t keep purchasing his fights, It's cheap programming for them I suspect, given the timezone and the current awarness, but there was next to no promotion for his last fight. A pity as I enjoyed the undercard even if Wilder Stiverne didn't end so abruptly. The exact same rhetoric could be used against AJ, as his viewing figures in the US are far from great. Of course, but, as above, AJ's doing very nicely without that recognition. The difference is that the US is Wilder's home market and he can't deliver that. AJ delivers his home market. Surely as a boxing fan, you want to see this fight ASAP instead of watching both tread water with the Brezeales and Whytes of this world. As a fan of boxing, sure, I'd like to see them fight. I don't see AJ as the main obstacle however, especially with Wilder demanding 50% of a pie he's done little to create. I don't think AJ will be fighting Brezeale or Whyte though. He's shown he wants to keep on improving the standard of his opposition. He's risked more, sooner than Wilder and he's reaping the rewards for that. Parker, maybe a mandatory against Povetkin or Pulev unless Wilder changes his tune will all be interesting fights for me, because there's still a rawness to Joshua due to his relative inexperience. Fury on the horizon could be the biggest of the lot. That wouldn't be treading water, although Hearn may throw a domestic crowd pleaser into that schedule to keep the cash registers ringing and keep AJ in shape at low risk. In which case, yes, Wilder would be a better bout. But he's overstating his importance at present. He's done little to merit some of the hype from his own and other quarters and he's not the only show in town.

To be scared of someone you'd need to know they exist first. The British press knows who he is. That’s all they asked Joshua about was Wilder. It wasn’t Takam and it definitely wasn’t that scrub Parker.

lol yeah I heard that but who knows, but that last president didn't stand for so called blacks they actually got worse under his rule. Agreed, the abortion legality went way up and the great majority aborted were black kids. Then his buddy Eric Holder got caught lying about the fact that he actually owned an inner city abortion clinic Oh and you know who Black Dems despise as much as the aborted? Black conservatives And I bet it was them Dems that railed in all those government guns to Chicago gangs like they/Fast & Furious did with the Cartels And then we got the black dems telling all these intelligent black folk that they didn't actually earn their college credit because it was the affirmative action. Why don't they step up to the plate without all the stupid substitutions and give them their 40 acres and a mule (equivalent to a $60,000 machine and $millions in land) that was taken away Bottom line, black Dems are like all the other politicians just taking more pie to themselves

And wasn't Malcolm a male prostitute ? lol yeah I heard that but who knows, but that last president didn't stand for so called blacks they actually got worse under his rule.

well ur putting obamer on the same level as Malcolm x... what did he do besides make everything gey? And wasn't Malcolm a male prostitute ?

Lol what mega fight has Floyd been in? One could make a good case for Castillo and Oscar. Come to think of it I do trust Floyd more than Oscar most days of the week but when it came to fights Oscar was a man's man

Floyd and Oscar actually were already atg's and beat lots of other p4p fighters and other top champions...why are you comparing Joshua and Wilder to them?? well ur putting obamer on the same level as Malcolm x... what did he do besides make everything gey?

Honestly, this point doesn't add anything to your argument. The tribalism and point scoring at the respective fanbases is juvenile and best left unsaid in my view. :) See my post above to Scipio re Vegas sales. You're comparing apples and oranges. The UK public had heard of all these fighters, they honestly barely know who the f*** Wilder is. That's one reason in my view behind Hearn's offer of Whyte as an opponent. He'd get back some of that 4mill in PPV fees for Joshua Wilder because that fight would introduce him to a UK audience. Something which has clearly failed in translation given the ludicrous response it drew Stateside. Both those fights would be bigger at present in the UK than Wilder who has very little recognition outside engaged boxing fans. Fury by a massive margin. It's already established that AJ can make 10-15 in the UK and Haye would sell tickets as he's good at that even if his body is giving out. Fury shouldn't think of getting in a ring with AJ before 2019 but if he did it would be a huge fight. Let's say AJ fights 3 times a year max. If Parker is next, he'll soon be looking at a mandatory, maybe Povetkin? He could fight winner of Haye Bellew in there somewhere as well. He will do very well from all those, probably clearing close to £50m staying at home, pleasing his sponsors, building his brand, adding another belt etc etc. So again, the Wilder fight may be attractive, but AJ has plenty of other places to go if it doesn't come off to his liking. Wilder is the one with some tough decisions to make. We’re kinda going round in circles here. I agree AJ has options but none of them are as beneficial as fighting Wilder would be both financially and in terms of global appeal. The only fight comparable is Fury who is nowhere near fighting again. I also don’t buy into this no one knows who Wilder is in the UK, I believe it’s a smokescreen Hearn is using to prevent the fight. A lot of my friends are casual boxing fans and all know who Wilder is, he’s not some HUGE draw in the UK but he must attract a solid audience when he fights on sky sports or they wouldn’t keep purchasing his fights, he also attracts a high level of media attention whenever he’s in the UK. Just because he hasn’t fought here it doesn’t mean he isn’t known here. The exact same rhetoric could be used against AJ, as his viewing figures in the US are far from great. The point you make about Floyd-Conor not selling out is irrelevant as it still produced the second highest gate revenue in boxing history, thereby proving Vegas is where the BIG money is. I’m not saying this fight HAS to happen in Vegas as it will make A LOT of money wherever it takes place. However, IF AJ/Hearn want to actually achieve what they say they do; make AJ the biggest star in WORLD boxing even world sport he has to break into the American market, and with the current lack of emerging talent on the US HW scene, Wilder is certainly his best chance to do so. Surely as a boxing fan, you want to see this fight ASAP instead of watching both tread water with the Brezeales and Whytes of this world.

Why are the Brits so scared of Wilder? To be scared of someone you'd need to know they exist first.

Why are the Brits so scared of Wilder?

I agree about the tribalism, I don’t really have a horse in the race myself, but I think it’s glaringly obvious the majority of AJ fans are casual based, Honestly, this point doesn't add anything to your argument. The tribalism and point scoring at the respective fanbases is juvenile and best left unsaid in my view. :) The gate in Vegas is waaay bigger than the gate in Wembley due to insanely inflated ticket prices. I think if it happens in either it’ll still draw numbers in the US. But from my perspective it’s better suited taking place in Vegas to be as you say conductive with US PPV. See my post above to Scipio re Vegas sales. I don’t think the UK market will suffer all that much, Mayweather-Hatton still did massive UK numbers and Floyd-Conor is the highest selling UK PPV of all time. You're comparing apples and oranges. The UK public had heard of all these fighters, they honestly barely know who the f*** Wilder is. That's one reason in my view behind Hearn's offer of Whyte as an opponent. He'd get back some of that 4mill in PPV fees for Joshua Wilder because that fight would introduce him to a UK audience. Something which has clearly failed in translation given the ludicrous response it drew Stateside. As for Haye and Fury I don’t really think they’re feasible fights for 2018. That’s why I think if AJ wants to have a super fight in 2018 he has to fight Wilder. Both those fights would be bigger at present in the UK than Wilder who has very little recognition outside engaged boxing fans. Fury by a massive margin. It's already established that AJ can make 10-15 in the UK and Haye would sell tickets as he's good at that even if his body is giving out. Fury shouldn't think of getting in a ring with AJ before 2019 but if he did it would be a huge fight. Let's say AJ fights 3 times a year max. If Parker is next, he'll soon be looking at a mandatory, maybe Povetkin? He could fight winner of Haye Bellew in there somewhere as well. He will do very well from all those, probably clearing close to £50m staying at home, pleasing his sponsors, building his brand, adding another belt etc etc. So again, the Wilder fight may be attractive, but AJ has plenty of other places to go if it doesn't come off to his liking. Wilder is the one with some tough decisions to make.

Floyd Mayweather Jr made a billion dollars in the boxing ring; from the Cornish fight on (not really sure when Anthony Joshua stepped to being the main event of the show) he's likely closer to that £100m mark than folks realize already. The heat of the UK boxing scene is fun to watch, but Anthony Joshua has the potential to be the second billion dollar boxer and he's not going to be able to achieve that by not breaking through in the US market. If the Joshua-Wilder (or Wilder-Joshua, who honestly cares) fights play out right (two barnburner skilled slugfests), Anthony Joshua could literally end up on something near $100m per fight until his run ends. You don't get anywhere near that with Fury, Haye, or any other non-Wilder name you want to put out there (would withhold judgement on a Wladimir rematch, but even that may not have the juice to launch, with Klitschko being an aged fighter). Ok, the only problem is that two letter word 'if' there are a lot of 'ifs' to cross before this fight delivers anything like the expectations some are saddling it with. I won't repeat them, they're outlined in this post: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18290364&postcount=10 Another point for those singing of the riches of Vegas. I don't know if you followed the ticket sales for Mayweather McGregor? They were slower than Bermane Stiverne and this on such a heavily hyped contest with Vegas' own making a comeback and the UFC crowd enticed by the novelty aspect. Both guys having bigger profiles in the US than either Joshua or Wilder. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't think it's as straightforward a sell as many suggest and no-one seems to factor in the opportunity cost of siting the fight there...