Did anyone ever believe Andre Ward was ever on Floyd Mayweather Jr's level or above?

As does Mayweather, it's funny that because of Ward's reputation as an inside fighter people actually think he was a better operator in that department, he was not. Mayweather did all of that same stuff with a better arsenal offensively. The short right uppercut to the body is probably the most overlooked punch in Mayweather's arsenal. I don't think Mayweather was lacking but it did not seem a component of his approach to go to the body regularly, where as Ward sought the body out. One punch an approach does not make... I am sure his short right uppercut is a great punch regardless. But this is a point that is difficult to prove and probably is a matter of opinion.

They are both great, no need to compare

That tag line everyone knows and uses is that he hasn't lost since he was 12. But he definitely has losses in the amateurs. I checked your right.

Every point you made here is debatable. For one, the Canelo Floyd fought was at a catchweight and was young and still relatively unskilled, marquez was too small to be any threat to Mayweather and while I know people will argue this til the cows come home, the paq fight was close. Ward constently beat the best he faced, he got the benefit of the doubt in Kovalev one perhaps... Now regarding Ward: He beat Froch clearly and convincingly when it was thought the fight would be close, He beat Kessler and he put an exclamation point with his tagging the Russian with a punch for the ages. Ward actually is more well rounded than Mayweather, he fights at all ranges. Floyd definitely is a master at what he does in the ring, even being more accurate than Ward, but not by much. Its all how you look at it, both guys are great fighters, lets see how far Kovalev goes....to see who Ward beat, and lets look at this comparison a few years down the line... History will tell us in the end where both guys should be. As does Mayweather, it's funny that because of Ward's reputation as an inside fighter people actually think he was a better operator in that department, he was not. Mayweather did all of that same stuff with a better arsenal offensively. The short right uppercut to the body is probably the most overlooked punch in Mayweather's arsenal.

No comparison between the two. Mayweather is great Ward is not. They are a world apart. Absolutely correct.

No and its not even close. Also i find Mayweathers style pleasing to look at while Wards style looks ugly and dirty to me.

to ward's credit, he's on floyd's level...he beat the best versions of guys in their prime with his skillset whereas floyd didn't

Don't forget the fact that Floyd almost always fought bigger guys. Ward and Floyd had incredible ring IQs but Floyd had more natural abilities, which is why Floyd was the better fighter.

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that he hasn't lost. That tag line everyone knows and uses is that he hasn't lost since he was 12. But he definitely has losses in the amateurs.

Floyd may have been more technically precise but he bored me. There's a lot of technically sound fighters that I don't care for. Andre was gritty and had a lot of looks. As far as opposition, are we really valuing fighters like old Pac over Kovalev? :lol1: K... Really? Floyd more boring than Andre Ward? I know it's subjective and is in the eye of the beholder but I can't fathom anybody finding Floyd more boring than Ward. Floyd was actually a knockout artist at one point in his career. Which is something Ward never was. Plus, Floyd didn't need to rely on non-boxing moves such as headbutts, low blows and such to win his bouts. Floyd more consistently boxed cleanly against better level of opposition and won his bouts using clean boxing most of the time.

Ward had five losses as an amateur. But it doesn't matter when talking about his professional career or Mayweather's. Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that he hasn't lost.

Floyd may have been more technically precise but he bored me. There's a lot of technically sound fighters that I don't care for. Andre was gritty and had a lot of looks. As far as opposition, are we really valuing fighters like old Pac over Kovalev? :lol1: K...

Nope, not even close. The quality of competition that Floyd fought was significantly higher than Ward's. Ward beat the bully kov doh

Nope, not even close. The quality of competition that Floyd fought was significantly higher than Ward's.

If yes, then why couldn't Ward beat his best opponents like Sergey Kovalev, Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler as impressively as Mayweather beat his best opponents like Canelo Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez? Mayweather lost fewer rounds against his best opponents than Ward did against his best opponents. Mayweather also beat Canelo Alvarez indisputably with a near shutout performance. To the point where there wasn't any need for a rematch because there wasn't any doubt as to who won in that bout. Proving that the gap in skills between Mayweather and one of his best opponents in Canelo Alvarez was significantly greater than the gap between Ward and one of his best opponents in Sergey Kovalev. Since Andre Ward didn't decisively beat Kovalev the first time with the win being in doubt because the rounds were closer and Kovalev won more rounds against Ward than Canelo did against Mayweather. The same was the case in the rematch until Ward resorted to illegal moves to achieve his controversial stoppage victory. In other words, Ward didn't indisputably prove to be the better boxer than Kovalev whilst Mayweather indisputably proved to be the better boxer than Canelo Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. Every point you made here is debatable. For one, the Canelo Floyd fought was at a catchweight and was young and still relatively unskilled, marquez was too small to be any threat to Mayweather and while I know people will argue this til the cows come home, the paq fight was close. Ward constently beat the best he faced, he got the benefit of the doubt in Kovalev one perhaps... Now regarding Ward: He beat Froch clearly and convincingly when it was thought the fight would be close, He beat Kessler and he put an exclamation point with his tagging the Russian with a punch for the ages. Ward actually is more well rounded than Mayweather, he fights at all ranges. Floyd definitely is a master at what he does in the ring, even being more accurate than Ward, but not by much. Its all how you look at it, both guys are great fighters, lets see how far Kovalev goes....to see who Ward beat, and lets look at this comparison a few years down the line... History will tell us in the end where both guys should be.

Hey man all these racial stereotypes you’ve been using? They’ve been really offensive to me, can you tone down the intolerance my *****? WTF are you talking about?

Mayweather is levels above in skill and resume... can't believe people actually think Ward is better? a record of 7-0 (2 KO) against former or current world titlists a record of 9-0 (2 KO) in world title fights. Vs a record of 24-0 (7 KO) against former or current world titlists: a record of 26-0 (10 KO) in world title fights.

Both were great. Ward is top 40 all time. Mayweather top 3 all time. When are we gonna 1 v 1 bro?

Both were great. Ward is top 40 all time. Mayweather top 3 all time.

Mayweather was one of the best pure boxers in history. Whereas Ward could barely box for ****. Why do you think he used to grapple his opponents all the time? Because he couldn't do it clean. They are chalk and cheese as far as i'm concerned. Hey man all these racial stereotypes you’ve been using? They’ve been really offensive to me, can you tone down the intolerance my *****?