If Wilder vs. AJ fight happens, & Wilder weighs in 220 while AJ 250... Who would have advantage over other?
We all know AJ wouldn't have a great stamina being 250 lbs, but on other hand Wilder's 220 pounds could be bigger problem for Deontay himself...
Deontay is probably hardest hitting HW & has the most impressing single punch power but I think he could be in trouble if weights 220 lbs vs Joshua...
There were HW Champions who weighted about 215-220 lbs the likes of Ali & Tyson, but they were 'special', different & fought in totally different HW Era.
I think Wilder weghting 220 lbs would be his downfall if he fights with AJ... That's my opinion.
But what do you think... Who would have advantage if Wilder weighs in 220 while AJ 250?
You're not fooling anyone with the talk. I've spent my time in the gym and continue to train in the science. Leg size has nothing to do with stamina. GTFO w/ the bro-science. Leg mass is not a key component to the cardio vascular system. Look at great fighters in history and your theory quickly fails.
And, don't try to pull a strawman by bringing up legs being the source of power. I never said they weren't. But, in bringing that up you defeat your own argument because Wilder has chicken legs but generates some of the greatest power in the division. Just as Tommy Hearns did.
One of the oldest pieces of boxing wisdom is the first thing to go on a fighter is their legs. Not only in every fight, but when they decline later on in general in their careers to.
You don’t box. You don’t understand.... I didn’t say legs affect cardiovascular endurance. I said guys with weak legs have POOR STAMNIA, we’re not talking about running marathons (something a pu$$y like you probably does)... in Boxing POOR STAMNIA means they can’t maintain a fast pace for 12 rounds. It Means they can’t take the pressure of having their opponent push and lean and chase them for 12 rounds. It means they don’t recover/take blows as well. Like a casual, you mention TOMMY HEARNS POWER while having skinny legs but don’t mention he was stopped 4 times in 5 loses and was dropped TONS of times...WHICH WAS MY POINT LOL
Man, you casuals are destroying combat sports.
Stick to yoga and sudoku.
Pu$$y.
Wilder moves much quicker and fluidly, he will use that against the much slower AJ to counter him with something big. His cardio is also vastly superior, he's a nightmare match up for AJ.
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Just look at this foot speed, he glides and moves around like a damn welter. That is why Wilder will defeat the much slower, robotic AJ.
Wilder moves much quicker and fluidly, he will use that against the much slower AJ to counter him with something big. His cardio is also vastly superior, he's a nightmare match up for AJ.
Really? I’ve been boxing for half my life. Your credentials please? strong legs are the foundation of not only power but of endurance. Guys with no legs typically don’t have good stamina. Strong legs keep you up and moving when your hurt and exhausted. Feet and legs are where every punch and boxing movement begins with.
I’ll stick to actually fighting & training, you stick to Forums and YouTube.
Accept technique or just all around natural ability trumps all that bull**** you build in a gym. Funny thing is there has never been a boxer in the history of the sport that turned himself into a powerhouse with certain workouts. They always had talent and usually got ****tier once they atarted encorperating untested sports science methods with 0 proven credentials. You can't even use a guy like holyfield as an example, because at 208 he was a killing machine but at 220+ a lethargic man getting by on his natural talent.
Really? I’ve been boxing for half my life. Your credentials please? strong legs are the foundation of not only power but of endurance. Guys with no legs typically don’t have good stamina. Strong legs keep you up and moving when your hurt and exhausted. Feet and legs are where every punch and boxing movement begins with.
I’ll stick to actually fighting & training, you stick to Forums and YouTube.
You're not fooling anyone with the talk. I've spent my time in the gym and continue to train in the science. Leg size has nothing to do with stamina. GTFO w/ the bro-science. Leg mass is not a key component to the cardio vascular system. Look at great fighters in history and your theory quickly fails.
And, don't try to pull a strawman by bringing up legs being the source of power. I never said they weren't. But, in bringing that up you defeat your own argument because Wilder has chicken legs but generates some of the greatest power in the division. Just as Tommy Hearns did.
Deontay Wilder needs to go back to basics, and learn how to throw straight punches and short hooks! (Also improve his balance and core strength, because he is all over the show!)
You don't understand how boxing, or the physics of the human body, work...
Really? I’ve been boxing for half my life. Your credentials please? strong legs are the foundation of not only power but of endurance. Guys with no legs typically don’t have good stamina. Strong legs keep you up and moving when your hurt and exhausted. Feet and legs are where every punch and boxing movement begins with.
I’ll stick to actually fighting & training, you stick to Forums and YouTube.
Wilder's weight is NOT a disadvantage in the heavyweight division. He's actually perfectly built for the division. He's not carrying excess weight that in all likelihood would slow him down and compromise his endurance. The weight he's at allows him to be quicker on his feet and to fight at long range,...which is ideally suited to him. He don't need anymore fat or muscle. He just needs to sharpen his skills and fight game plan. Joshua is more skilled than Wilder and that's the main reason I think he would beat Deontay.
Joshua is not more skilled than Wilder. Joshua looks better in technique than Wilder - that's it. Wilder has the better jab, Wilder has the stronger and better right hand (worse case equal for both of them), Wilder is more mobile, Wilder moves his head better, Wilder fights better on the back foot, will say they are equal on the front foot (position 1) although I may give AJ more credit for that since he prefers positions 1 and 2 better than Wilder does.
Joshua prefers to fight from the medium range (position 2) to inflict pain on his opponents. Wilder prefers to fight in the farther range (i.e. position 3, with 1 being the closest). Joshua has better combos, better uppercut, holds his facial defense better.
So, how is Joshua more skilled then?
Yea it puts your foot in a bucket, but Wilder needs to be planted to generate power. It could be part of his secret formula to monster power and changing that up would really take his best assets away (obviously I don't know for sure).
He obviously is not what you call a text book fighter and sometimes trying to change that sort of dude too much is a big mistake because they will never be textbook.
I think Breland has done a pretty damn good job with Wilder though and brought him along nicely, so that is why I can't say he has poor training. It might just be a fundamental issue with his style, which will limit him but changing it is even worse.
Agreed! I keep hearing all these things said about his legs. If you notice in the last sparing, he crouches a little bit so even if he gets tagged, the effect will translate across both his thighs and his legs, which I think will reduce the impact. Wilder can be disciplined as we have seen from time to time, although he gets lazy and sloppy at other times. However, for a 6'7" guy, he is very agile.
Wilder is unorthodox in his style but is not as stupid as many people try to make it. Further, people complain about everything about him - the funniest one for me is that his power is not coming from the right place because of his technique. I am like - if a guy is knocking people out without the "right" technique, what then will he do when he applies it?
There is no perfect fighter out there! I think Wilder will be just fine. I'd rather he gained maybe 5 - 10 pounds at most (i.e. stay around the 225 - 230 lbs range), but he might just grow into it.
If there are a few things to work on, it is on his defense. 1. He moves his head backward on a straight path sometimes to evade the shots because he is taller than most, but it will be best to move it down, or side to side and move his feet as well.
2. When he puts his hands together to block shots, he does not put the hands together tightly enough like a Stiverne will do.
3. Sometimes when people jab at him, he pushes their hands down as he moves backward. If he deals with someone of equal or longer reach, he might get caught with a right hand. I saw in his most recent media workout, he is countering that now with a right hand which is better instead of just pushing down on the jab.
I think Joshua would be lighter than 250 if he fought Wilder. The heavier weight won't necessary help against Wilder. Either way, it will be tough fight for each of them no matter the weight.
That's true even with Joshua's stamina he will be REAL live early.
I say Wilder.Joshua need to get back down to 240-45 to much lifting his stamina is REAL bad now.That last fight was fought at HIS pace all night(which means big deal as anyone who has been in ring knows)He was able to take little breaks WHEN ever he wanted and he still gassed.I think that was his worst fight since before Whyte.
I think Joshua would be lighter than 250 if he fought Wilder. The heavier weight won't necessary help against Wilder. Either way, it will be tough fight for each of them no matter the weight.
Wilder's weight is NOT a disadvantage in the heavyweight division. He's actually perfectly built for the division. He's not carrying excess weight that in all likelihood would slow him down and compromise his endurance. The weight he's at allows him to be quicker on his feet and to fight at long range,...which is ideally suited to him. He don't need anymore fat or muscle. He just needs to sharpen his skills and fight game plan. Joshua is more skilled than Wilder and that's the main reason I think he would beat Deontay.
The reason I say, and have said for years, that he gets poor training is that they don't correct him on his wide stance. His legs get so far apart. I'm a tall guy and it's one of the first things my coach corrected in me was letting your feet get wide. It turns an asset into a liability by limiting your movement and completely putting you off balance.
That's what I see every time I watch Wilder (save for the 1st Stiverne fight) a guy who is getting too wide in his stance and becoming off balance.
Yea it puts your foot in a bucket, but Wilder needs to be planted to generate power. It could be part of his secret formula to monster power and changing that up would really take his best assets away (obviously I don't know for sure).
He obviously is not what you call a text book fighter and sometimes trying to change that sort of dude too much is a big mistake because they will never be textbook.
I think Breland has done a pretty damn good job with Wilder though and brought him along nicely, so that is why I can't say he has poor training. It might just be a fundamental issue with his style, which will limit him but changing it is even worse.
I think Wilder is trained properly but getting those long ass limbs to move fluidly can't be easy, so he has that weird combo of athleticism but also a bit clumsy. Something he does need to work on but in the heat of the moment it can be tricky, that is usually when he trips himself up is when he gets aggressive.
If he is focused on his boxing he doesn't get in his own way near as much
The reason I say, and have said for years, that he gets poor training is that they don't correct him on his wide stance. His legs get so far apart. I'm a tall guy and it's one of the first things my coach corrected in me was letting your feet get wide. It turns an asset into a liability by limiting your movement and completely putting you off balance.
That's what I see every time I watch Wilder (save for the 1st Stiverne fight) a guy who is getting too wide in his stance and becoming off balance.
I think Wilder's size/weight is ideal. He just needs to work on technique, specifically footwork. He's actually very quick and light, he just trips himself up because he's not getting trained proper.
AJ's weight seems to be a hinderance. He's a bit lumbering, stiff, poor stamina. I really think the man could stand to drop 10 but I doubt that will happen. Weight will only become harder for him to manage, along with stamina.
I think Wilder is trained properly but getting those long ass limbs to move fluidly can't be easy, so he has that weird combo of athleticism but also a bit clumsy. Something he does need to work on but in the heat of the moment it can be tricky, that is usually when he trips himself up is when he gets aggressive.
If he is focused on his boxing he doesn't get in his own way near as much
If Joshua gets in close and bullies Wilder that weight will be a problem for Wilder.
If Wilder moves around the ring and keeps Joshua at range (or Joshua himself stays at range) then that weight would be a detriment to Joshua because he will just be carrying around extra weight and not really making Wilder feel it.
At that sort of size with that sort of leverage I don't think the extra weight protects Joshua in any way from Wilders power. Skulls and the distance between brain and skull is basically the same in all human and I am pretty sure Wilder can make Joshua brain his his skull if he lands properly.
Joshua can also do that to Wilder don't get it twisted but he can do that at 235 or 240 and be carrying around less wasted bulk thus making his gas take a bit better.
Wilders EXTREMLY skinny and weak legs will fold under the physical pressure and power of Joshua.
You don't understand how boxing, or the physics of the human body, work...