Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Sergio Martinez at 160

It wouldnt be fair, Mayweather has no business at 160

You're a moron. Checked out your video and all I saw was Mayweather say it's possible to make the fight, but Sergio should move up. Mayweather went on record saying that the fight IS possible to be made. He specifically said they can make it if Sergio is at 150. Now, let's talk when this fight would happen. 3/2012 -- Sergio fights Macklin 5/2012 -- Mayweather fights Cotto Did you expect him to choose Sergio over Cotto? I don't think anyone did. Ok. Mayweather then does two months in prison, doesn't fight in September, as was his usual plan. 9/2012 -- Sergio fights Chavez Jr. That means the earliest date for this fight is 5/2013, right? 4/2013 -- Martinez fights Murray. 5/2013 -- Mayweather fights Guerrero. Do you expect him to fight Sergio here? After the prison stint and not boxing for a year at a weight that is not his weightclass? Yea, ok. Ok...but now no excuses. Mayweather can finally fight Sergio 9/2013, right? SERGIO MARTINEZ INJURED AND WON'T FIGHT AGAIN IN 2013 due to right knee injury, broken left hand, bad cut over eye. 9/2013 -- Mayweather fights Canelo One more chance for this fight! 2014!!!! 5/2014: Mayweather fights Maidana 6/2014: Sergio fights Cotto So why didn't Floyd fight Sergio over Maidana???? What you got to say now? Explain the duck, please. Man you are dancing all over the place! :dance: First of all, Sergio Martinez had been calling out Floyd way before that interview. :lol1: Secondly, Cotto? Are you serious? Floyd had the chance to fight him when he was with Arum but Floyd left .... then Floyd kept on refusing to fight Cotto, as per the interviews. So now that version of Cotto was what Floyd wanted instead of one of the top P4P fighters in Sergio? At that time, nobody really cared for that fight with Cotto. Cotto had lost in devastating fashion to Manny and Margarito. People were scratching their heads when it was announced!!! Thirdly, read the interviews. That 150 CW was crazy for both Sergio Martinez and Manny and made no sense for either. One would be severely drained and the other didn't want to go over 147+. So why should it make sense for Floyd? Still, last time that I checkedno fight was made. Floyd never went knocking on no Sergio Martinez door. Reporters pushed Floyd but everyone was ahead of the line and before Sergio Martinez .... even Guerrero who Floyd didn't even know who he was when asked. :poke: When reporters asked Floyd about Sergio Martinez, it was always something else that was his "main focus"!!! :sad2: Interview: Finally, did you see Floyd's face when asked the question? It went from a very happy face to "Oh no!!!" then his response was, Sergio can move up to 168? Is that how you respond? Floyd can find anyone to fight but not Sergio Martinez. That is what you are saying? WOW!!! .

This is very simple. You writing essays to deflect isn't going to help you. Is Floyd Mayweather a 154lb fighter? If yes, then why not Pacquaio? I've already proven that Pacquaio rehydrates to the same weight as Mayweather. Do you disagree? Do I have to post this information again? Your argument is that Pacquaio is too small. Yet Floyd Mayweahther, at the same weight, is not. Explain. That's all I'm asking. Why is one too small and the other not when they both rehydrate to about the same size, which has been proven. As for your Mosley BS, again, you have no idea if Floyd had chronic dehydration or was running before the match. I do recall you posting a video of him before the fight saying it's time to rest his legs. Stop playing internet medic. Now please answer and stop ducking. DO THEY REHYDRATE TO THE SAME WEIGHT, AND IF SO, WHY IS ONE SEEN AS TOO SMALL AND THE OTHER NOT? New way of DEFLECTING for your. Say that I wrote too much!!! :lol1: WHY not Manny: For one: "After last year’s fight with Antonio Margarito, at 150, Arum says Pacquiao and his team made a decision to avoid taking fights above the welterweight limit. " Secondly: Manny didn't go back up over 147. Floyd did ONCE then AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. Third: Which is basically point #1. Manny's team made a statement and kept it in that Manny never fought above 147 because he is too small. Floyd never made those type of statements and in fact said the opposite. Skills wins fights not weight. Floyd said it, Uncle Roger said it and Floyd Sr. Floyd Jr said perhaps if someone jumps from 147 to 168 it may impact ... but 150 to 154 is a weight where Floyd fought 4 TIMES!!!!! Fourth: You agree that Manny didn't duck. His team said Manny is too small as the Margarito fight affected him for a good month. ---------------------- - Roach said that Manny's walking weight was 138lbs and needed to bulk up ...... - Floyd said his walking weight is 150, 148 and was higher during his retirement. - Manny was getting sluggish as his weight went up during his training camp for the Margarito fight and settled at 144. - Floyd didn't even try to make 144 against Juan Marquez!!! - Manny made 143ish against Algieri and Marquez 3 and they said he could probably fight at 140. Floyd wouldn't be able to. Floyd would need a truck load of BANNED IV bags!!!! :lol1: MOSLEY: No, your foolish talk is what is BS. Chronic dehydration as far as athletes are concerned is when you talk about someone who doesn't know how to rehydrate properly not an illness!!! For example, young naive 15 year olds who start training camp and do not know how to rehydrate properly so they come back the next day under rehydrated. THAT IS NOT FLOYD MAYWEATHER!!!!! Floyd has LOADs of MONEY and can hire Dr Alex Ariza who we know monitors you closely and takes stats!!! Secondly, look at Floyd's weight over 30 days. ROCK SOLID STABLE and pretty much at his normal walking weight. You cannot make someone that stable if you tried!!!! SO STOP THE NONSENSE!!!! :poke: Floyd fought 4 times at 154. Not only did he fight 4 times at 154 but he got and held titles after fighting 3 of them. So to say, 3 of 4 opponents held titles. This occurred BEFORE, DURING and AFTER being called out by Martinez. Martinez would more than likely have gone down to 150 as per his comments. So YES, FLOYD DUCKED. Floyd didn't even try to CW Martinez. Too risky!!! QUESTION TO THE DEFLECTOR: I say its a DUCK for Floyd. For you, was it a DUCK for Floyd at 154? For you, was it a DUCK for Floyd for not even accepting the fight at CW of 153, 152, 151 .... not even 150???? This thread is a discussion against 160lbs Sergio Martinez (some Floyd fans say Floyd wins) yet you think we will buy your BS that not even 150-154 is an acceptable fight? Floyd's face and expression explains it all. Check out Before being asked the question, seconds before, and after...... GOLD!!! .

Oh, really now? FREDDIE ROACH: WE'LL FIGHT MARTINEZ AT 150!!! I gave you an interview with Manny saying, "Yes, I will fight Sergio Martinez at 150lbs." :lol1: Not the point. The point is you are saying one ducked and the other didn't. You are having a hard time justifying that being that your argument is really based on weight, and they are the same size. You're saying Mayweather, who never weighed in more than 151 and rehydrated to LESS than that, should be forced to fight bigger guys because he did it 4 times, but not Manny who on fight night is the same size as Mayweahter because he did it only once. The amount of times they fought there matters not. How much will they weigh on fight night versus Sergio? ABOUT THE SAME. So your double standard is exposed. You're still trying to play internet doctor? How was Floyd dehydrated for the Mosley fight? You never answered. Apparently around the time of the Mosley fight, he was fluctuating in weight a whole lot, right? LMAO Shut the fvck up, bltch. Only one of us answers every single question. And that's not you, you piece of shlt. Sergio Martinez is naturally 15lbs bigger than Floyd Mayweather at least. You are saying that you believe Mayweather can duck a guy that is 15lbs heavier. No, it's not possible. And here is the point: If you say it is possible, then that means Manny Pacquiao ducked him too, because Manny Pacquaio rehydrates to 151 and Sergio Martinez rehydrates to 166. https://vgy.me/NzXGlC.png So what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Or in this case, what's good for the goose is good for the DUCK, right? My turn! Don't duck this, DEFLECTOR! Explain why one guy being faced with a 15lb heavier guy is ducking, while the other guy being faced with a 15lb heavier guy is not ducking. I'll wait, DEFLECTOR. Pacquiao knew that Sergio Martinez would have caused big time problems for Pacquiao and more than likely a loss ... Pac and his daddy Roach and his promotor said Manny is not afraid of facing Sergio at 150lbs. Now you are saying its not the case? NOPE: You are called the DEFLECTOR for a reason. I cannot beat you at your DEFLECTING game. Go back to that interview: Roach at 2:30 mark Roach brings this up: "The thing is that my guy (Manny Pacquiao) walks around at 138lbs!!!!" Oooops!!! So what were you saying by head to head with Floyd Mayweather? Floyd said he walks around 10 to 12lbs more and even more than that when he "retired". Manny had to bulk up back then to get to those weights but it was at a disadvantage (sluggish vs size). -------------------------- The thing is that Roach and company know from the Margarito fight that fights above 147+ would take a toll on Manny. Even some 147lbs fighters are too big .... Roach was asked if Martinez wants to go down to 154 then what would Roach say? "If Martinez comes down to 147 why not." 30 sec mark Even Manny said, come down to 147: "I can fight Martinez at 147 but at 154 it's too big for me!!!" ------------------- Either you never trained or did any sports or you are just being a troll ..... When I train, I can easily lose 7lbs+ and NOT need those things called BANNED IV bags!!! Drink plenty of fluids, rest and eat .... BUT Floyd was NOT training to lose 7lb+ at that point in time so no reason to require AGAIN, Floyd was NOT doing no hard training PLUS he said that he made weight EASILY when asked. Floyd in fact boasted just after getting the BANNED IV that Floyd walks around 150, 148 ... and we know that he weighed close to weigh-in weight 1 week out, 2 weeks out and even 30 days out!!! Given the above facts, there was no reason to dehydrate extremely and Floyd in fact said that he was going to be relaxing in his FINAL days but that is a given as doing hard workouts the day before a fight would be counter-productive. BUT .... that could have happened when Floyd trained for Mosley and what can occur in anyone's training camp. They train hard and get dehydrated. That is normal BUT .... its not normal to give blood 10 days out, urine days out and relaxing and admitting to making weight easily THEN having loads of time to drink adequately, as we ALL WITNESSED and come back with those BS excuses!!!! One must be a moron to think that Floyd was severely dehydrated. Do you know what that means? It does not mean someone who weighs relatively the same like Floyd's situation while blaming it on what he said!!! NOPE!!! -------------------------- Floyd was ducking because he fought at that weight 4 times ..... and those fights came BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the calling out by Sergio Martinez .... and against fighters that were big. Once Sergio Martinez calls Floyd out, only then Floyd is no longer a 154 title holder even though he was BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the calling out by Sergio Martinez!!!! :lol1: Manny Pacquiao: Sorry but we BOTH agreed that is nonsense. Manny only fought once at above 147+ and it took a toll on his body. As I said, the fights are tempting but when the talk becomes serious, it always came down to size .... they were just too big for Manny in their opinion. ------------ It's not about being afraid. Here are comments on why it's a concern for Manny. He was too small and it can take a toll on his style of fighting. Here is Arum saying, OK to 150 but the problem is when they take into consideration Sergio Martinez's rehydrated fight night weight. They did it once and they admitted it's not good for Manny to go beyond 147+. Here is discussing a possible fight with Sergio Martinex at 150 ... Arum said its possible BUT ..... "“Here is the problem with Martinez. Let me tell you the problem with Martinez. Martinez says ‘I’ll fight him at 150,’ but that’s bullsh**. That means he’ll dehydrate until the afternoon of the weigh-in and come to the ring at 175, which he’s done before. What I say is, if you really want to fight Manny Pacquiao – I have a simple way to do it. You said 150, you will fight at 150, then let’s go to a commission, and not necessarily this commission….maybe New York, maybe Texas, wherever. And say ‘both fighters want to do the fight and they want to go back to the old days and we’ll weigh in on the day of the fight, at 150. If he wants to do that, we can start talking,” Arum said." "After last year’s fight with Antonio Margarito, at 150, Arum says Pacquiao and his team made a decision to avoid taking fights above the welterweight limit. Pacquiao, who tried to bulk up for Margarito, started dropping weight a few days before the fight because the added bulk was making him sluggish in the gym. Pacquiao weighed in at 144-pounds. During the fight, Margarito’s size became a factor when he trapped Pacquiao against the ropes and hurt him badly to the body. “He was hurting for a month after that fight. We realized that he can’t continue to fight all of these bigger guys,” Arum said. and I provided you another post with Manny being interviewed saying they are too big while bringing up Margarito!!! Manny: We both agreed .... so there is nothing left to say FLOYD: too many fights at 154 and has them belts to prove it, right? FLOYD DUCKED BIG TIME!!!! You Floyd fans wanted to see Floyd go to 160 to fight Cotto but Sergio Martinez at 150-154 was too big? LOL!!! DUCK SEASON!!!! https://media.giphy.com/media/YaXcVXGvBQlEI/giphy.gif .

GOTCHA BlTCH. HE DIDN'T SAY HE WAS TOO SMALL. HE SAID HE WOULD FIGHT SERGIO AT 150. HE ALSO WAS PRESENT FOR NEGOTIATIONS FOR CANELO ABOVE 147. HOW YOU GONNA SPIN IT, HUH? A whole lot of bull****. Are you ready to admit you are a hypocrite yet, or do I have to keep pounding you into the ground? YOUR ONLY DEFENSE IS THAT YOU SAY MARQUEZ FVCKED YOUR BOY UP SO BAD THAT HE DECIDED TO NEVER FIGHT ABOVE 147 AGAIN. BUT OOOPS. HE WAS THERE DISCUSSING FIGHTING CANELO ABOVE 147. How many times did Mayweather make 154lbs. Can you tell me his weights? Mayweather Fight Night Weight vs. Canelo (2013): 150 Pacquiao Weight as far back as Cotto (2006): 148-149 at least. They're the same damn size. Stop with your damn lying. You're a disgrace. Here: 2005 Fight Night Weights: Pacquiao @130 - Rehydrate to 139 Mayweather @139 - Rehydrate to 142 At 16, they were both at 106. Head to head: Pacquiao on fight night: 152 Mayweather on fight night: 149 Stop with your fvcking dumb ass agenda. I'M PROVIDING ALL FACTS, NOT YOUR DUMB ASS DESPERATE SPECULATION! You aren't fooling anyone you hypocrite. Your stupid ass defenses, like "MARQUEZ IS THE REASON THAT MANNY DIDN'T FIGHT SERGIO AT 150, IS A FVCKING EMBARRASSMENT. YOU'RE A SHlT POSTER. I have interviews from Manny himself saying that they are too big. Manny tried it against Margarito ..... then said during his training camp, nope I do not want to fight above 147+. He never did. FACTS!!!! So what you are saying is what we already know. Sergio Martinez, Canelo fights were proposed and so they discussed it! So that means what to you? :lol1: Canelo fight, Sergio fight ..... DIDN'T HAPPEN. Why? The problem is as even Roach brings up is that they are too big for Manny. Imagine, Canelo fight was even AFTER the Floyd fight and it still didn't happen. but come on man. I gave you an interview with Manny saying NO to a fight with Canelo because he is too big and brings up the Margarito fight and watch the expression on Manny's face. Due to the money on the table, its always tempting and of course, they would think about HOW IT COULD GET DONE .... and in Canelo's case, Manny would be getting another division title (to make it 9 divisions!!!) so the incentive was huge .....but at the end of the day, BOTH YOU and I know why the fights were NOT made!!!! :poke: REHYDRATION? You really want to bring this up? Head to head? Only 1 guy required 2 banned IV bags and from what you are stating, your with me. Floyd didn't require no banned IV bags because he hardly gains any weight from weigh in to fight night! :lol1: DEFLECTOR, respond to this: Your hero Floyd fought guys that are either as big as Sergio Martinez, fought Sergio Martinez or are bigger than Sergio Martinez. So what was the problem with fighting Sergio Martinez? Floyd knew that Sergio Martinez would have caused big time problems for Floyd and more than likely a loss ... Floyd and his dad and uncle said skills wins fights not weight but now you are saying its not the case? .

why do ppl make dumb threads like this, might aswell do floyd vs tyson at 175

Floyd beats the brakes off of Sergio. A prime in shape one, not the one with two broken knees that cotto "beat"

i love sergio. he throws hell marys. a couple hell marys a fight. i call it the gts (go to sleep). the paul wall fights where classic action packed fights. better than canelo ggg fight imo. paul wall and sergio give ggg and canelo hell and i only wish they were in there prime right now.

People are still making these "how ridiculous a handicap can we put on Floyd" threads? Apparently...hard for people to accept 50-0

Sergio was a well known drug cheat, retired before testing became more rigorous.

So now there needs to be an incentive to fight Martinez yet Floyd cherry picks another Argentinian name Maidana? What was the incentive there? Fights Berto? Incentive was what again? Well, I kinda said it. Incentive is to cherry pick and win while removing any chance of a loss by crying and getting his way with gloves, refs, .....! At least you agreed on Martinez's size was relatively smaller compared to other 160 fighters. The incentive is that Floyd fights a top P4P fighter at the top of his game and where Floyd would not have the advantage that he has against fighters such as Guerrero, Ortiz, Berto, ..... and people would have given him credit for a very good win! How is that for an incentive? BTW - If word gets out that Floyd was fighting a very risky opponent, that would bring in the fans .... that is another incentive. . . Maidana and Berto was easier to make logistically. You know it and I know you know it. The only people saying it was risky are people like yourself looking for just ONE more boxer that could defeat Mayweather. Martinez wasn't a risky fight for Mayweather. Btw, they're both retired so neither one of us will get s chance to prove our points.

How about him and Martinez at 147? How about 154? FMW had 2 belts for 2 yrs and Martinez fought in the class, so that is their fair match up weight? FMW vs Martinez 154 WBA/WBC

Let's watch you prove yourself wrong! Right there it's over for you. Pacquaio said that he would fight Sergio at 150. Sergio agreed. Pacquiao then said he wouldn't fight him at 150. And the difference maker according to you: Juan Manuel Marquez That's the dumbest shlt I ever heard. Manny rejected Sergio at 150 because of Marquez You're full of shlt. You mean I asked you a question three times and you refused to answer me, then you gave a bullshlt response. I always answer your questions and then you run off. I'll do it again for you little guy. No problem. Some people would, some people wouldn't. Who the fvck cares. Which one is worse, you moron? For arguments sake, let's say yes I'd call him a catchweight king because that's what he is. Now, WHAT THE FVCK WOULD EVERYONE CALL HIM IF HE FOUGHT SERGIO AT 147, YOU FVCKING DUNCE. YES. SERGIO SAID HIMSELF THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DRAIN DOWN TO 150. He said he's cool with that. Now. What the fvck does that have to do with MANNY TRYING TO DRAIN HIM DOWN TO 147!!!!. IS THERE NO LIMIT TO HOW MUCH HE WANTS TO DRAIN GUYS??? NO. Didn't I explain this to you already? HOW THE FVCK CAN YOU CLAIM THAT IT'S NOT A DUCK BECAUSE MANNY SAID HE WOULND'T FIGHT ABOVE 147 WHEN.....AT THE TIME....HE SAID HE WOULD FIGHT ABOVE 147!!!!. YOU MAKE NO SENSE. A. He lost fight 3. B. Yes. Many people thought Marquez won. Is this part of your ridiculous defense that Marquez scared Pacquaio away from a 150lb fight? LMAOOOO! Tell me more! I've answered this question in the past and I'll do it again. No, I don't think that Floyd was ducking. I don't even think that Pacquiao was ducking. The point of the matter is that YOU believe one was ducking and not the other, but your defense is based on a lie. You said that Pac said he would never fight above 147, but regarding this specific fight, he said he would (DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOUR ORIGINAL DEFENSE). Then you tried to change it to Marquez scared him away from a 150lb fight with Sergio, which is moronic and desperate as fvck. Neither Floyd nor Manny were 154lb fighters. Their division was 147. Would you say Roy Jones ducked Lennox Lewis? Did Sugar Ray Robinson duck light-heavyweights (if his fight against Maxim ended in the 12th, he would have won). Neither Pac nor Floyd are even considered big welterweights. I easily give them both a pass for not fighting Martinez, who like Floyd said, should have been looking up instead of down. Does that answer your questions? Maybe you realize now that you're a hypocrite, hmmmm? And one more time....LMAO at your dumb ass lame Marquez excuse Great ... you finally answered but got it all wrong except this: YOU SAID and agreed with me that Manny did not DUCK Martinez!!! but WOW unlike your warped mind, I gave you 4 points not 1. All of them combined should make you understand that Manny couldn't have been DUCKing but YES, man, are you for real? When you are struggling against a guy who just moved up a couple of divisions to 144 then OF COURSE it gives you a different perspective on who you should be fighting next!!! Your goals can change BUT as I stated, it was media day and that is the answer that Manny gave when asked. He said perhaps that can happen. You are allowed to change your mind when you are factoring in everything that happened and what he said about going over 147!!! Its not a DUCK!!! You even are saying its' not a DUCK :lol1: Q1) Who the FVCK cares about the 150 CW? Funny stuff! Secondly, that fight was never going to happen at 147 as per Sergio Martinez interviews BEFORE this started, during and after .... or did you see a fight that we didn't see? LOL Q2) See, that is 2 for 2!!! You and others wouldn't have given Manny credit anyways!!! Funny stuff!!! Q3) Drrr, - Maybe because Manny's interview during Margarito training? - Maybe because of his other interviews saying 147+ fights are out of question because they are too big for Manny? - Maybe because Manny never fought again above 147? - Maybe because Manny was asked a question on media day and made the best of it and said perhaps it can happen? Sergio said that Manny's team said not above 147 when it was directly about making the fight happen. Sergio Martinez was too big. Is that a duck? I said no. You said no! :lol1: Q4) Man, I think that I'm 5 for 5 !!! I cannot help you if you do not understand what I said and that you have a different opinion on the matter. Above 147 was already questionable or do you just listen to Manny only when he says that there may be the possibility at 150? LOL How about when he said BEFORE and AFTER that he is too small? You closed your ears and eyes? LOL Yes, a fight can change your perspective if what Manny said was a serious possibility but I believe given the time that it would have occurred, I didn't think so! I always felt that if Manny takes on Sergio Martinez it would have occurred after a Floyd fight not before. I'm sure Bob told him the risk of losing any chance in a Floyd fight if he loses badly .... Even though, it's actually the other way around. Floyd fights you when he knows that you are no longer the same fighter ...... BTW - Lets make it clear enough so that you too can understand. Manny gets KOd. You still think the way you do? Next fight, Sergio Martinez? lol Q5) Again, your response is absurd. Manny was asked a question and at that moment he said perhaps it can happen but he also said that there is a limit and needs to protect himself. Soon after, Manny's team said Manny will not fight above 147. Manny said the same in other interviews. Manny never fought about that since he said he wouldn't ..... In fact, Manny could fight even below 147 and has!!! and you said Manny didn't DUCK!!! LOL Honestly, you think its not a duck for Manny but you keep on posting like it was .... I guess it's a defense mechanism to protect the REAL DUCKER!!! LOL But of course, the one question out of 5 that was for Floyd, you still bring up Manny!!! :lol1: Sorry but it was a DUCK for Floyd. He fought 4 times at 154!!! Floyd held a title 3 different times at 154. a) AGAIN, Floyd didn't fight just once at the 154 division. Floyd fought 4 times. b) Floyd, his dad and uncle said that weight doesn't win you fights, skills does and brings up that it wouldn't make an impact unless he was fighting a guy at 168. c) You Floyd fans wanted to see Floyd fight Cotto at 160! Hypocrites you say? d) In that interview, Floyd was getting ready to fight at .... 154 AGAIN!!! Look at Floyd's face when Sergio Martinez's name came up. It went from happiness to "Oh no, why did you bring up Martinez!!!" Yet, you say that this "supposed" TBE was able to fight 4 times at 154 but couldn't against Sergio Martinez? What a load of crock is that? e) Go check out the title of this thread. Who wins at ..... 160 and some Floyd fans are still pulling for Floyd. At 154, all you Floyd fans would have Floyd winning ....and read some say "easily" ..... ? Of course, you were not going to agree to the obvious but Floyd DUCKED Martinez!!! It's DUCK SEASON!!!!!! https://media.giphy.com/media/YaXcVXGvBQlEI/giphy.gif

DEFLECTOR is your name not mine. You just shot yourself in the foot! You said that Manny would be draining Sergio at 150!!! Sergio was said in interviews that he cannot go below 154 either since he hadn't done so in years (150 or lower) and wanted it at 154. So if Manny fights him at 150, you guys would not be giving Manny any credit! Am I right or am I right, DEFLECTOR!!! I explained it all and if you read, I said he said that perhaps that fight can happen. Then he barely wins a fight at 144 where I'm sure that you thought Marquez won then you expect Manny to go ahead and fight Martinez at 150? :lol1: DEFLECTOR, a) Manny said he wouldn't go above 147 after his training for his Margarito fight. b) PLUS, if you are getting ready to fight at 144 and someone asks you if you think there is a possibility of going up to 150 and you say yes perhaps, lets see .... and What followed is a close win where you guys thought Manny lost at 144. That in itself throws all your dumb talk out of the window! c) PLUS, Manny never went up above 147 again. d) Another interview Manny said, 147 is high enough for him. Those guys are too big (147+) and used Margarito as an example!!! a + b + c + d means it was NOT a DUCK!! QUESTION 1: Given the circumstances (a, b, c, d), do you understand that this is NOT a DUCK ?? DEFLECTOR: Floyd's upcoming fight was at 154. Floyd already fought previously at 154 and years later, had no problem fighting in that division again. QUESTION 2: You know what happened. a) Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the call out of Sergio Martinez. b) You saw Floyd's face when asked about Sergio Martinez calling him out and his response for Martinez to go fight at 168. Was Floyd DUCKING??????????? I have around 4 questions for you DEFLECTOR. Lets see you respond. :poke: . Ahhhh, see. This is why I smack you around. I've tried to be civil, no name calling. Here you go with the deflector bullshlt when clearly you are the one that is deflecting. Did Manny say that he will fight Sergio at 150. Yes or no? I've asked you about 3 times now and you haven't answered yet. From the tone of your response, it seems to me that: DEFLECTOR .... I answered your question like 3 or 4 times. YES he did say that there was a possibility of it happening but Manny then went to fight a close fight where in many of you Floyd's fans eyes and many Marquez fans had lost a fight to Marquez at 144. I said this already, didn't I? :poke: and lets not forget my other points, DEFLECTOR!!! So its that time AGAIN .... time for you to answer the questions. Lets make this one simple. Below are the 5 questions that I asked you to respond but YOU DEFLECTED: 1) Would you and other Floyd fans be calling Manny a CW king if he fought Sergio Martinez and won at 150? 2) Would you say that Manny drained Sergio Martinez down to 150? 3) Given the circumstances that occurred and I mentioned in my previous post(a, b, c, d), do you understand that this is NOT a DUCK ?? 4) a) In your eyes, Did Manny or Marquez win fight 3? b) Do you agree that there were many Floyd fans and Marquez fans that also said that Marquez won? 5) a) Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the call out of Sergio Martinez. b) You saw Floyd's face when asked about Sergio Martinez calling him out and Floyd's response for Martinez to go fight at 168. Was Floyd DUCKING??????????? Time's UP!!! Respond!!! https://media.giphy.com/media/gw3BepqJLYo9SF8c/giphy.gif

Dude, you are ducking. Don't go giving me that shlt that you found in another thread about catchweight king. You are just shoving your foot farther down your throat by mentioning that. How stupid that argument is when you realize HE WANTED TO DRAIN HIM FURTHER THAN THE PROPOSED CATCHWEIGHT!. STOP DUCKING. DID MANNY EVER SAY HE WOULD FIGHT SERGIO AT 150. YES OR NO? IF HE SAID YES, THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOUR DEFENSE THAT MANNY SAID OVER 147 IS TOO MUCH. DID HE SAY HE WOULD FIGHT SERGIO AT 150? YES OR NO? DEFLECTOR is your name not mine. You just shot yourself in the foot! You said that Manny would be draining Sergio at 150!!! Sergio was said in interviews that he cannot go below 154 either since he hadn't done so in years (150 or lower) and wanted it at 154. So if Manny fights him at 150, you guys would not be giving Manny any credit! Am I right or am I right, DEFLECTOR!!! :poke: I explained it all and if you read, I said he said that perhaps that fight can happen. Then he barely wins a fight at 144 where I'm sure that you thought Marquez won then you expect Manny to go ahead and fight Martinez at 150? :lol1: DEFLECTOR, a) Manny said he wouldn't go above 147 after his training for his Margarito fight. b) PLUS, if you are getting ready to fight at 144 and someone asks you if you think there is a possibility of going up to 150 and you say yes perhaps, lets see .... and What followed is a close win where you guys thought Manny lost at 144. That in itself throws all your dumb talk out of the window! c) PLUS, Manny never went up above 147 again. d) Another interview Manny said, 147 is high enough for him. Those guys are too big (147+) and used Margarito as an example!!! a + b + c + d means it was NOT a DUCK!! QUESTION 1: Given the circumstances (a, b, c, d), do you understand that this is NOT a DUCK ?? DEFLECTOR: Floyd's upcoming fight was at 154. Floyd already fought previously at 154 and years later, had no problem fighting in that division again. QUESTION 2: You know what happened. a) Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the call out of Sergio Martinez. b) You saw Floyd's face when asked about Sergio Martinez calling him out and his response for Martinez to go fight at 168. Was Floyd DUCKING??????????? I have around 4 questions for you DEFLECTOR. Lets see you respond. :poke: .

You are ducking hard. Your position is invalid because AT THE TIME THE FIGHT WAS BEING DISCUSSED...MANNY SAID THAT HE WOULD FIGHT SERGIO AT 150. DID HE SAY THAT OR DID HE NOT? Martinez said of Pacquaio: So did Pacquiao duck him or not??????? 1) If you back to those days, you guys were asking for Pac to drain Martinez at 150 for a catch-weight bout? But, if he does, then he is the catch-weight king fighting at Manny-weight. Manny would get no credit from you guys anyhoot! 2) It's not a duck or deflection by me because I already explained to you that Manny was asked while training during media day for another fight and said what he said .... perhaps its a possibility but if you check out the interview, Manny was getting ready to fight at what weight? Something like 144 and what were people saying after that fight? :poke: BTW - When they rethought about it, what did Manny say? 147 is as high as we go!!! I already explained to you. Manny never went up again to those weights so you cannot be ducking!!! Floyd did move back up several times more so YES that is what you call DUCK SEASON!!! Here is a DUCK: Floyd was going to fight Cotto at 154 and the reporter mentioned that Sergio Martinez wouldn't mind going down to fight Floyd Mayweather. The look of Floyd's from happiness to "oh no" is gold .... then he says "Sergio Martinez is a good fight for Andre Dirrell at 168" 3:18 mark .

Did you ever admit to yourself that Pacquiao said he would fight Sergio at 150 and then when Sergio took the bait, Pac backed down? Did they both duck Sergio, or did just Floyd? You never gave a clear answer. Manny fought once at 150 and during his training camp said he is not going above 147 anymore. I also gave you a video of what Manny thinks about going above 147 .... Manny said these guys are too big. Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER being called out by Martinez. Therefore Floyd definitely ducked. Manny didn't duck because he never went back up to those higher divisions after he tried once and said he wouldn't do it again. I gave you plenty for you to understand .... If you do not see the difference, I cannot help you!!! You need to figure it out on your own. .

Please tell me why? Let me guess, he was scared. There was no incentive to fight Martinez but I'm guessing you will stick with he was scared. I agree, he wasn't too big. So now there needs to be an incentive to fight Martinez yet Floyd cherry picks another Argentinian name Maidana? What was the incentive there? Fights Berto? Incentive was what again? Well, I kinda said it. Incentive is to cherry pick and win while removing any chance of a loss by crying and getting his way with gloves, refs, .....! At least you agreed on Martinez's size was relatively smaller compared to other 160 fighters. The incentive is that Floyd fights a top P4P fighter at the top of his game and where Floyd would not have the advantage that he has against fighters such as Guerrero, Ortiz, Berto, ..... and people would have given him credit for a very good win! How is that for an incentive? BTW - If word gets out that Floyd was fighting a very risky opponent, that would bring in the fans .... that is another incentive. . .

Could Floyd had beaten Sergio if he went up to MW during Sergio's Peak? I actually think it would have been extremely competitive but Floyd loses a SD type fight. Well Conor was 170 and Floyd was 150 and washed and didnt train. But he was way stronger than Conor. At 154, I have Floyd winning in a mismatch, with Martinez coming in at 170.

Sergio Martinez was a top P4P fighter back then and called out Floyd to fight him at a weight that Floyd had fought BEFORE, DURING and AFTER. Floyd didn't want the fight. Floyd knows why. BTW - Martinez was not a big 160 fighter and it showed in some of his fights. Floyd struggled with some fighters at lower divisions where others have not with the same fighters. . Please tell me why? Let me guess, he was scared. There was no incentive to fight Martinez but I'm guessing you will stick with he was scared. I agree, he wasn't too big.