Which of these guys do you consider ATGs?

I'm surprised Mike Tyson is up that high.

Cotto and ODLH are certainly contemporary greats, but I am kinda reluctant to rate them in say the top 100 all time. Not that I've sat down and rated the top 100, but I imagine I could find 100 boxers more impressive. JMM and Mosley would be in there somewhere. Tyson was probably the hardest one for me to decide on. I voted for him but I don't know...

Tyson Oscar Reluctantly, Marquez

Tyson for me is just in the category. JMM and Shane are very close on their skill level alone. Oscar is just on the outside to me and Cotto is no where near an ATG! He was a good fighter but his skills are not at an elite level. Ray

This only shows your lack of Boxing knowledge, kiddo. You have seen his style and the fighters he has beaten yet he doesnt look like an ATG level fighter to you? Go suck on some more mommy titties cuz you dont know sht about boxing lol. Are you fuking stupid or what? I didn't say he wasn't an atg. I'm surprised so many picked him based off what a lot of people have said about him in the past on here

Didn't think so many would have jmm as an atg This only shows your lack of Boxing knowledge, kiddo. You have seen his style and the fighters he has beaten yet he doesnt look like an ATG level fighter to you? Go suck on some more mommy titties cuz you dont know sht about boxing lol.

poll is multiple choice so pick all that apply JMM and Tyson

There's so much criteria. If DLH retired undefeated with his resume, he'd be the greatest of all time. Cotto - is often referred to as "the Puerto Rican legend" rather than one of the all time greats. He was one of the best fighters in his generation. To ME that makes him a great fighter, but not all-time. I think it's kind of that difference between an NBA star and NBA Superstar. There are levels to this. Mosley - I would say is one of the best fighters of his generation like Cotto. However I wouldn't put him as an all time great. Just a great fighter during his era. Dominating and stopping a prime Margarito solidified that for me. Marquez - With victories over the great Pacquiao, Barrera and other very good fighters in his generation, I'd say Marquez is right at the cusp. He's looked good in some of his performances. Only knock is that him and Morales didn't fight in their primes and on paper lost to Pacman a couple of times. Oscar - One of the best of his generation who will be remembered for his popularity, talent, good wins vs. someone like Vargas, held multiple titles, multiple weight classes, etc. and probably having the greatest resume of all time. However he lost those big fights vs prime P4P fighters like Mosley, Trinidad, Pacman, Mayweather, Hopkins and had some controversial wins. Not ATG, because he lost to the other "best fighters of his generation" but resume that is almost second to none. Tyson - The best of his time as champion and dominant in a way that others on this list weren't. Unfortunately his victories didn't include a prime Holyfield or Bowe, nor did it include "one more big moment" by beating Lennox Lewis which would have helped his standing tremendously. Like JMM, I would say he's at the cusp simply because of his dominance. I think there are basically two levels to greatness. 1. All-Time Great - being the best of your generation, having beaten much of the best of your generation and dominating for a decent period of time, winning multiple titles, at some point being recognized as the undisputed champion regardless of belts. 2. Great Fighter - Being ONE OF the best/top fighters of your generation, maybe not THE best, but one of them. Beating some other great fighters even if they're past their primes, getting some good wins vs top fighters. Fighting some of the best fighters of your generation win-lose-draw, but having a good win or two against some of those best fighters. There are levels to this.

Didn't think so many would have jmm as an atg

there are only two there, Tyson and JMM

Only Marquez.

Deontay Wilder's fight with Washington guaranteed him entry into the HOF. After he beats Ortiz he easily moves into the top 10 list of ATGs.

Only Marquez and Tyson

Only voted for JMM.

people seem to sleep on shane's career. leads me to believe that they were not watching him in his prime, when he was the best LW in the world, a top ranked lb for lber, and the top ranked lb for lber when he moved up in weight and beat a prime de la hoya. the guy was really, really good. people seem to forget that for whatever reason, be it his decline, their not watching boxing in the 90's and early 2000's when shane was in his prime and a dangerous puncher with great speed and a hell of a chin. maybe it's the steroids, but i think it mostly comes down to a short memory, or no memory at all. as for cotto, he is not an all time great in my book. terrific fighter who had a great career, but ATG for me is the top 100 all time and cotto is not there or all that close. sahne may be on the outside of that bubble as well but i think his ability at LW, his being the best ranked p4p fighter in boxing for a decent amount of time, and his list of names over the years puts him in the class certainly with fringe all time greats like de la hoya and mike tyson. he was a smaller guy and beat de la hoya head up, after all. and as for marquez, the guy has a knockout win over a fading but still viable pacquiao, a draw with manny a close fight with manny in '08 and a robbery loss to manny [ 3rd fight wasn't close, marquez won that fight, and a great career at FW and some success moving up all the way to WW. he's an all time great with a bullet.

JMM should be above Tyson on any respectable ATG list. I agree. Tyson underachieved

Marquez. Oscar is a great and I guess you can debate him being an ATG but I think he gets a lot of credits for losses. When you look at who he beat, it's HOF-worthy but I don't know about all-time great.

Juan Manuel Marquez.

JMM should be above Tyson on any respectable ATG list. I have a great respect for him, he was a great champion. But why exactly? Because he beat Pacquiao? Mike Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time (and he still is, if i'm not mistaken), in his prime till 1989 he was completely superior to anyone, after that all his life outside the ring destroyed him, not the oposition (i'm talking about Douglas here). One of the things that make me not consider de la Hoya an ATG it's because his biggest wins vs JCC and Whitaker were when these two were in top of their addictions. Just like it happened with Tyson vs Holyfield and even more vs Lewis. And i want to explain one thing since i'm pretty new here, i REALLY admire Holyfield and Lewis i think they were trully outstanding boxers, probably in a better position than Tyson in history, but i really think that prime Tyson would have destroyed both at their primes. Tyson career was a rollercoaster and that downgrade him, but his peak was for me the most impresive thing i've seen in a ring.

Marquez & Oscar for me.