Who looks better coming off the draw? GGG or Canelo

GGG vs. Alvarez: Who really won September 18, 2017 | By Bradley D. Cision: Another predictable, controversial, and expected decision has been handed down in the most anticipated fight of the year last Saturday night with the Saul “Canelo Alvarez (49-1-2, 34 KOs) vs. middleweight champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin (37-0-1, 33 KOs) being scored as a controversial 12 round draw at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Many boxing fans have been waiting for the Canelo Golovkin fight for almost two years, but many boxing fans predicted that if the fight went to the scorecards, Canelo would find a way to win. Fortunately for GGG, the worst that happened was that Canelo was given a draw, and didn’t steal his titles away. Many people saw the fight as a clear, although close win for GGG, and a few saw it as a legitimate draw. What most people saw is GGG controlling the pace for 90 percent of the fight, backing Alvarez up to the ropes constantly, and out-landing him in jabs by almost 50 jabs. The jab controlled the pace of the fight. GGG out-landed Canelo 218-169 and landed more punches in 10 of 12 rounds. Alvarez also looked like he had minimal answers for GGG as he was on his bike until he fought in spurts trying to counterpunch GGG with his back to the ropes constantly, especially in the later rounds where GGG looked completely comfortable and Alvarez had no real answer for a fighter that finally wasn’t smaller, or past his prime, or has a weak chin. In an anonymous online poll, a whopping 79% of the people polled thought GGG won the fight. Only 10% thought Canelo won, and 11% thought it was a draw. Who did you have winning Canelo-GGG? 10% Canelo Alvarez (386 votes) 79% Gennady Golovkin (3044 votes) 11% Draw (410 votes) 3840 votes total were submitted in this online poll. Out of a total of 69 boxing writers and fighters, a landslide 54 thought GGG won the fight. Only FIVE thought Canelo won, and the rest had it a draw. Teddy Atlas ——————————–>118-110 GGG Brian Campbell (CBS) ———————>117-111 GGG Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) —————→ 117-111 GGG Harold Lederman (HBO) ——————116-112 GGG Dan Rafael (ESPN) ————————>116-112 GGG Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ————>116-112 GGG Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) ———–>116-112 GGG Amir Khan ———————————>116-112 GGG Matthew Macklin ————————–>116-112 GGG Steve Lillis (BoxNation) ——————→ 116-112 GGG Bob Velin (USA Today) ——————–>116-112 GGG Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) ———–>116-112 GGG Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ———→ 116-112 GGG Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) —→ 116-112 GGG Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ———→ 116-112 GGG Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ————>116-113 GGG Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ——————>115-112 GGG Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ————————>115-113 GGG Gary Locket ——————————→ 115-113 GGG Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) —————–>115-113 GGG Phil Murphy (ESPN) ———————–>115-113 GGG Mike Harris (SI) —————————>115-113 GGG Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ——>115-113 GGG MMA Brazil ——————————>115-113 GGG Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) ————→ 115-113 GGG Rob Tatum (Combat Press) —————→ 115-113 GGG Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ———>115-113 GGG Joel Diaz ———————————>115-113 GGG Max Kellerman————–>115:113 GGG Dave Moretti (judge) ——>115:113 GGG Lennox Lewis —————————>Golovkin Austin Trout ——————————>Golovkin Danny Jacobs ————->Golovkin Enzo Macarenelli —————————Golovkin James Brady (SB Nation) —————>Golovkin Terence Crawford ————————>Golovkin Sergio Martinez —————————>Golovkin Liam Smith ——————————>Golovkin Peter Quillin ——————————>Golovkin Liam Williams —————————>Golovkin Ohara Davies ——————————→ Golovkin Luke Campbell —————————>Golovkin Dave Coldwell —————————>Golovkin Badou Jack ——————————>Golovkin Kevin Kelly ————————→ Golovkin Dana White ———–>Golovkin Steve Kim ———————————–>Golovkin Doug Fischer ——————————–>Golovkin Ring TV Cynthia Conte, M.Rosenthal—Golovkin Michael Montero —————————→ Golovkin Joe Rogan (UFC) —————————→ Golovkin Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ————Golovkin Sergey Kovalev ————————————→ Golovkin Julio Cesar Chavez Jr ———————————–> Golovkin Don trella (judge) ————————>114:114 Draw Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) —→ 114-114 Draw Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) ———–>114-114 Draw Associated Press ————————–>114-114 Draw Lance Pugmire (LA Times) —————→ 114-114 Draw Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ———————>114-114 Draw Roy Jones Jr.———————————>114:114 Draw Kenny Porter ——————————>114-114 Draw Tommy Hearns —————————–>114:114 Draw De La Hoya ——————————–>115-113 Canelo Bernard Hopkins ————————–>115-113 Canelo Erik Morales ——————————→ 116-112 Canelo Julio Cesar Chavez Sr ———————————>116:112 Canelo Adalaide Byrd (Judge) ———————————->118:110 Canelo Unfortunately for the sport, this type of judging will continue as we have no oversight except the commissions themselves and they have already forgiven the one 118-110 scorecard from Adalaide Byrd.

Golovkin looks better because Canelo clearly lost.

Canelo did give him a boxing lesson Oh really? He was letting Golovkin dictate the pace and distance, they're both were eating leather that night, it's not what boxing lesson looks like to me. Don't make it sound like the kid is Rigondeaux or something Rigo/Donaire is what boxing lesson looks like Mayweather/Canelo is what boxing lesson looks like Loma/Walters Crawford/Postol and etc. Canelo/Golovkin? Not at all. Canelo looked impressive in spurts and that's really it. But Golovkin was controlling the fight, when you let your opponent dictate pace and distance you better be sure you ain't giving boxing lesson to anybody. Especially if the fight is close have you not watched his fights before to know about stamina issues? If so, you should've taken that into account, so that's your fault. I know about his stamina issues, my point is it's hard to stay at the top level if you have stamina of UFC fighter. You're praising the kid, but as soon as he stepped in the ring against "old brawler" and "bum beater", he went life and death and lost according to majority of the boxing world. And that's a fact. Think about it, if one-dimensional brawler (like some people say) made Canelo look like that, imagine what elite and more versatile fighter would do to him? So there's two options here - Canelo is not that good or Golovkin is not that bad. I prefer the first one Statistically the boxer almost always beats the puncher/stalker/brawler, in rematches with much less issue. Canelo is younger, doesn't have 400 or so total fights in his career and is able to learn new information, once you are 35 years old, it is VERY hard to break habits and learn new things/employ new tactics. I agree I'm not pulling a Hatton and gonna tell you to bet the house on the kid, but I'm telling you to look back at previous fights. Floyd Castillo, Floyd Maidana, Leonard Duran, Ward Kovalev, Manny marquez, etc, etc. The boxer is just better at adaption in most cases. I agree, but this performance didn't convince me that Canelo is master technician or something. I'd bet on Saul in the rematch, but it has more to do with the fact that time is not on Golovkin's side. But then again, that's exactly what I was thinking before their first fight, and what was the result? A draw with the majority of people thinking Canelo lost

Was a good fight but neither guy showed anything special. GGG has definitely aged. He was fighting cautious. Canelo showed spurts of brilliance but for a young guy, very brief spurts. He simply can't keep it up. Probably muscle-bound. Personally, I was disappointed with the quality of the fight and lack of action. Moments of engagement but not sustained engagement. And GGG had to search out the guy. Somebody will eventually do a video of Canelo doing the ballerina...and GGG doing the stalking.

It's a perfect set up for a rematch. If canelo got the nod...it would look like a blatant robbery, and this way he saves some face by not losing. For ggg he keeps his belts, and is generally seen as the consensus winner. Both guys have the experience of being in the ring with eachother and there are adjustments that could be made on either side for the rematch. As far as the rematch, you have to favor the younger guy...especially if it drags out. For a guy ggg's age, every training camp and fight is a crap shoot as far as injuries and what kind of condition he'll be in. Assuming canelo works on his conditioning, the only way ggg wins a rematch is by KO imo.

Lol, going out with what bro? They gonna let the diva use a bat next time, brass knuckles, a gun? He hit GGG with his best shot and "the old man" didn't even blink. A rematch will only be worse for the diva. He brought everything he had and lost 8-4. Your saying that GGG didn't even really go to the body. What happens in a rematch when he does go to the body knowing he should not worry about anything coming back at him? There is literally no way the diva can win....GGG will only throw more combinations while the diva is trapped along the ropes. Think so? You go ahead and bet on the rematch and post your bet. We all know where you stand and you don't like Canelo and you do like golovkin...fine, but now you're using your heart and not your head.

Golovkin wasn't attacking the body even when he had the opportunity. He was headhunting with Jacobs too I'm not talking about Spence, I'm talking about any fighter with similar body work abilities. A legit middleweight with Spence's style would destroy Canelo. He was lucky that Golovkin isn't so versatile What would be irrelevant is speculating on what happens in a rematch, because I've heard all that stuff about Canelo giving Golovkin a boxing lesson before the first fight and I was stupid enough to believe that, now you basically say let's give the guy one more chance to beat Golovkin while that mother****er aging, and if he won't, we'll give him another shot. But right here and right now Canelo with his ****ty stamina looked worse than the older man. We're talking about what already happened, not about what could possibly happen in the future Canelo did give him a boxing lesson, have you not watched his fights before to know about stamina issues? If so, you should've taken that into account, so that's your fault. A rematch assumes Canelo learns from his mistakes, such as he displayed a lot of what he learned in his loss to Floyd. Statistically the boxer almost always beats the puncher/stalker/brawler, in rematches with much less issue. Canelo is younger, doesn't have 400 or so total fights in his career and is able to learn new information, once you are 35 years old, it is VERY hard to break habits and learn new things/employ new tactics. I'm not pulling a Hatton and gonna tell you to bet the house on the kid, but I'm telling you to look back at previous fights. Floyd Castillo, Floyd Maidana, Leonard Duran, Ward Kovalev, Manny marquez, etc, etc. The boxer is just better at adaption in most cases.

Looks better for Canelo because regardless he exceeded expectations in my eyes.

1.) A 35 year old GGG did what he promised, he brought a big show and fought like a Mexican, a primed Canelo fought like a poor man's Mayweather. 2.) GGG got a draw vs the cashcow of the sport in Las Vegas (means its a clear win) 3.) The huge majority of media outlets/journalists scored it for Golovkin. 4.) The huge majority of the fans worldwide said Golovkin won. 5.) Canelo was booed by his own fans in the arena. Who do you think came out better? You decide. I still give props to Canelo, in some rounds he did some good work and he has a great chin. Nail on the effing head! One of the few people who understood the point of my post.. everyone on here arguing how close and competitive the fight was, I'm just trying to say GGG had ALL the politics against him and still got away with a draw... that means something..

Golovkin didn't use bodywork, there was a reason why. Throw low and you have a higher chance to get countered. If there's a rematch, golovkins going out. Spence is a 147 lb fighter and is irrelevant to the conversation. Lol, going out with what bro? They gonna let the diva use a bat next time, brass knuckles, a gun? He hit GGG with his best shot and "the old man" didn't even blink. A rematch will only be worse for the diva. He brought everything he had and lost 8-4. Your saying that GGG didn't even really go to the body. What happens in a rematch when he does go to the body knowing he should not worry about anything coming back at him? There is literally no way the diva can win....GGG will only throw more combinations while the diva is trapped along the ropes.

GGG looked very average in there Lol, well then just what did the diva look like running away from the guy he couldn't faze? My guess is he looked like a scared lil biatch.

The person who got booed by his own fans was the loser He gets to avoid an official L though. However, getting booed by your own fans must be embarrassing as ****. It was funny seeing Canelo say he won 7-8 rounds with tears in his eyes.

Golovkin didn't use bodywork, there was a reason why. Throw low and you have a higher chance to get countered. If there's a rematch, golovkins going out. Spence is a 147 lb fighter and is irrelevant to the conversation. Golovkin wasn't attacking the body even when he had the opportunity. He was headhunting with Jacobs too I'm not talking about Spence, I'm talking about any fighter with similar body work abilities. A legit middleweight with Spence's style would destroy Canelo. He was lucky that Golovkin isn't so versatile What would be irrelevant is speculating on what happens in a rematch, because I've heard all that stuff about Canelo giving Golovkin a boxing lesson before the first fight and I was stupid enough to believe that, now you basically say let's give the guy one more chance to beat Golovkin while that mother****er aging, and if he won't, we'll give him another shot. But right here and right now Canelo with his ****ty stamina looked worse than the older man. We're talking about what already happened, not about what could possibly happen in the future

It doesn't matter how good your skills are, if you can't impose them on your opponent Canelo's style based on spending a lot of energy, he fights in spurts and takes long breaks between them, he looked impressive in these short spurts with better handspeed and good combos, but most of the time Golovkin was controlling pace and distance of the fight, especially with that jab. Canelo got tired and Golovkin wasn't even targeting his body at all, he was headhunting. Think about it Imagine if it was some fighter with vicious body work like Errol Spence? Canelo would be ruined and even Byrd wouldn't be able to save his ginger ass Some of these posters thought Canelo is next Rigondeaux or something lol Golovkin didn't use bodywork, there was a reason why. Throw low and you have a higher chance to get countered. If there's a rematch, golovkins going out. Spence is a 147 lb fighter and is irrelevant to the conversation.

All these guys deserve to get paid, it's still a health risk, I recognize that. So if it's a lucrative payday for tens of millions, yeah of course. Let's be honest though. Until Canelo officially moved up, was 160 a lucrative division? No, they waited and waited for a jmw to move up instead of just going to SMW. Fighting DeGale or Groves in the UK? They would've been highly lucrative. I could go into the timelines etc and explain that it really ain't that clear cut, but I'm quite sure you've heard all the arguments before, just as I've heard those that I'm sure you'll counter with. Suffice to say that IMO at least Golovkin has had a career trajectory and history of risk/reward decisions that is very much in line with that of other fighters. He is not and never was some kind of 'saviour of boxing' as some of his more extreme fans would have had us believe, but neither is he the villian and completely manufactured hype-job that others would. Honestly I can't really see what there is to dislike about the guy, but then maybe I'm just a particularly agreeable person 'cos there ain't really any fighters I actually actively dislike... except Slava Glazkov, of course. Can't stand that bland fucker.

The person who got booed by his own fans was the loser

Regardless, he's still the superior boxer, but yes, his conditioning needs work. It doesn't matter how good your skills are, if you can't impose them on your opponent Canelo's style based on spending a lot of energy, he fights in spurts and takes long breaks between them, he looked impressive in these short spurts with better handspeed and good combos, but most of the time Golovkin was controlling pace and distance of the fight, especially with that jab. Canelo got tired and Golovkin wasn't even targeting his body at all, he was headhunting. Think about it Imagine if it was some fighter with vicious body work like Errol Spence? Canelo would be ruined and even Byrd wouldn't be able to save his ginger ass a primed Canelo fought like a poor man's Mayweather. Some of these posters thought Canelo is next Rigondeaux or something lol

1.) A 35 year old GGG did what he promised, he brought a big show and fought like a Mexican, a primed Canelo fought like a poor man's Mayweather. 2.) GGG got a draw vs the cashcow of the sport in Las Vegas (means its a clear win) 3.) The huge majority of media outlets/journalists scored it for Golovkin. 4.) The huge majority of the fans worldwide said Golovkin won. 5.) Canelo was booed by his own fans in the arena. Who do you think came out better? You decide. I still give props to Canelo, in some rounds he did some good work and he has a great chin.

Golovkin will probably lose the rematch, but the fact remains, Canelo at the peak of his physical conditions looked worse than 35 y.o guy, and he's far from being that master technician who was supposed to take Golovkin to school according to some people I was betting on Canelo to outbox Golovkin and win wide UD in NSB Pick Em game, because I've bought into the hype, and now some of his retarded ass fans owe me something since the guy couldn't even get a clear victory. I'm mad lol Regardless, he's still the superior boxer, but yes, his conditioning needs work.

I scored it for Canelo, but I understand why more people thought GGG won than thought Canelo won. It was a good fight, but overall I came away a little unimpressed with both guys. GGG's power is a myth, Canelo was the smaller man who spent his entire career thus far at a lower weight, GGG landed several flush power shots and I did not see Canelo a bit dazed even once. GGG's power comes from the fact that he spent his entire career fighting the weakest competition imaginable. Those club fighters that most young pros spend their first dozen or so fights KOing to get experience, GGG fought them for 30+ fights and well into his 30s. He also is a pressure fighter and not much else. Canelo's stamina is as bad as any champion I can remember and he's keenly aware of it. He would simply stop throwing mid flurry because he knew if he continued he'd be gassed the rest of the round. GGG wasn't backing him down so much as Canelo was looking for a place to hide to regain his breath. Let's be honest here, if Canelo could fight the full 3 minutes of each round he would have killed GGG. They both did some good things too. GGG is a pressure fighter and his footwork is so subtle and natural that he's always in good position. He walked through most of Canelo's big shots. Canelo showed great defense. Even GGG's jab was mostly deflected. Overall, I didn't see 2 great middleweights Saturday night, they are both good, but flawed fighters. If GGG had spent the last 10 years fighting the best available and maybe even moved to 168 to chase a challenge or two he'd probably have 5 losses or more. Canelo does not look like a fighter who's going to dominate 160 going forward, he looks like a light middle who should figure out a way to stay at 154. And his stamina is pathetic for a big time fighter.