how different do you think it will make them? how different would it make a normal fight? Id like your view.
for e.g. welterweight, thurman / spence at 155. (assuming they put on around 8 pounds.
for e.g. canelo ggg @ 170. im guessing they will both be around that even though its at 160.
and at 168, ward vs froch @ 176. (assuming)
Could it change the outcome of fights?
Thing what people dont get is, if you lose weight correctly for a weight advantage, you can have more muscle then your opponant and be stronger. So you starve yourself for maybe 48 hours, you weight for e.g. 164 that day, you starve etc, and weigh just under 160, hours after the weigh in, you weight 165 as you get hydrated and another 24 hours youre at 170.
If you lose weight like de la hoya did vs pac and cant put on no weight after, thats no advantage obviously. he was severley drained. But as floyd has shown, it dont always mean you will be drained, as he never has to starve. Sometimes the weight is just food in your gut. Thats why i sometimes see a ripped fighter weigh in, and fight night there abs have gone.
im asking this for good reason.
The body acts in survival mode when starved, so if you eat, it will store more as fat, rather then when your aint starved ****floyd) you can just be eat and be cool.
get me though?
im not writing up to B+ standard for you guys, piss off :)
No it wasn't. Some fighters still dehydrated, had less time to hydrate and end up fighting while unhealthy. Which is why the weigh-in was moved to the day before.
wtf are you talking about? I said THATS HOW IT USED TO BE WEIGH IN WAS DAY OF THE FIGHT. Thats a fact it has nothing to do with fight strategy FACT IS weigh in used to be day of the fight prior to 1983
Every fighter is different and it's hard to really say what the outcomes of their fights would be, but I would think if fighters stayed close to their fight weight they'd do a lot better.
They'd have more training camp to actually practice their craft instead of losing weight.
Plus 4 of the best fighters of this era Marquez, Floyd, Hopkins and Pacquiao all always stayed close to their fight weight and we see how well they did.
Fighters train at their fight night weight or very close to it, that's the correct way, then they dry out to make weight and rehydrate back to their training weight which is fight night weight.
Where you have big trouble is like Oscar who thought he must train at a much lower weight so he could make the 147, he fcked up big time and for the life of me why his so called experts advocated doing this is madness, if you have to make a lighter weight than normal you a far better of training at youre normal weight and drying out more than usual right at the end, instead of losing mass and being semi dehydrated all through training, Oscar only gained 2lb and Manny out weighed him on the night, it was the biggest weight blunder Ive ever seen, and these people have access to the best of everything, just crazy.
The guys you mentioned were still fighting at 142-146 fight night with a 135 weigh-in, all they changed as they went up divisions was they did not dry out like they did before.
Its all very simple when you understand the process yet in forums the notions about weight are way off as to what and how things really happen.
You would know if you actually researched it....& didn't he take the test before the iv multiple times?
You tell me to research it and then ask me when he took the tests?
My view is changing to weighing in 30 hours before the fight instead of weighing in 6 or 8 hours before the fight was one of boxing's worst ever ideas. There were very few problems with the old rules. Welterweights came into the ring as welterweights or close to it in the same day weigh in days. They only had enough time to put on a few pounds after the weigh in. Now you have some welterweights entering the ring weighing as much as 165 pounds. Problems that didn't exist or were rare are common now. Some fans call boxers like Canelo, Crawford and others weight bullies because they put on so much weight between the weigh in and the fight. They are doing nothing wrong and following the rules. The system is what's wrong.
Yes, apart from boxers dying and suffering permanent brain damage due to fighting dehydrated, it was fine. :pat:
Would love to see same day weigh ins. Some of these fighters win not because ty are better boxers, but because they have mastered cutting weight and rehydrating 20 lbs without losing performance. Boxing matches should be between equal sized guys.
Every fighter is different and it's hard to really say what the outcomes of their fights would be, but I would think if fighters stayed close to their fight weight they'd do a lot better.
They'd have more training camp to actually practice their craft instead of losing weight.
Plus 4 of the best fighters of this era Marquez, Floyd, Hopkins and Pacquiao all always stayed close to their fight weight and we see how well they did.
My view is changing to weighing in 30 hours before the fight instead of weighing in 6 or 8 hours before the fight was one of boxing's worst ever ideas. There were very few problems with the old rules. Welterweights came into the ring as welterweights or close to it in the same day weigh in days. They only had enough time to put on a few pounds after the weigh in. Now you have some welterweights entering the ring weighing as much as 165 pounds. Problems that didn't exist or were rare are common now. Some fans call boxers like Canelo, Crawford and others weight bullies because they put on so much weight between the weigh in and the fight. They are doing nothing wrong and following the rules. The system is what's wrong.
I've noticed the same thing as you with floyd not cutting a lot tho...which is why to anyone who doesn't swing from floyd's ball bag, the IV is a little suspicious at the very least.
You would know if you actually researched it....& didn't he take the test before the iv multiple times?
Lol, yeah there's that..
I've noticed the same thing as you with floyd not cutting a lot tho...which is why to anyone who doesn't swing from floyd's ball bag, the IV is a little suspicious at the very least.
I've wondered if part of the reason Floyd's conditioning is so superb is that he doesn't ever have to dehydrate himself the day before a fight. I guess I wasn't into boxing yet back in his 135 days, but every 147 or 154 fight it seemed like he never had to dehydrate for the weigh in, and he seemed to have better stamina than his opponent every time.
...except that one time where he was "extremely dehydrated" and needed an IV.