Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

Ward eats this guy alive and makes him look like a bum in the process. Next!

Calzaghe made a career of beating up and coming green a$$ fighters. Ward would knock him out, 8th round.

You know your resume isn't that great when you have to hype Miranda. Let's act like Hopkins was competitive at 50 years, lost to a bum like Joe Smith who woulda lost to Tarver. Miranda is better than Lacy except he's not the hardest puncher Ward has fought or a top 2 win lmao. Miranda has a much higher KO % and dominant wins over Green and Eastman. Lacy went life and death with Sheika :pat: not even Miranda would struggle with him. Your lack of boxing knowledge is getting exposed just like Zag's chin against Mitchell, Hopkins, RJJ, Salem, etc. I really have no idea how you think a guy struggling to take shots and getting hit so clean from average punchers/fighters at SMW would take them from P4P guys like Kovalev. Hopkins was 43 against Joe, already losses against Taylor, the same fighter that fought Joe is the same guy that fought Kov/Smith Jr. and Dawson who beat him far more convincingly. Smith is no scrub, his only L was from a broken jaw. He's got freakish power, you think Calzaghe could take a punch from him when he's getting dropped by RJJ, Hopkins? I really don't understand how your mind works.

You mean Joe had a high slap velocity.:lol1: Easy work for Ward....as if Joe would go near him.I mean styles styles makes fights. Had Kovalev fought Joe at 175 then he would have knock Calzaghe out because Joe was a mid range fighter and Sergei is a long range fighter. On the other hand, Kovalev was an easier style match up for Ward because Sergei is a lot slower and more static than Joe and doesn't know how to fight on the inside.

This would be a very difficult style match up for Andre Ward. Joe Calzaghe was very fast, with a high work rate, had good movement and used to throw punches from all odd angles. However, if anyone could help neutralize Calazghe's speed advantage, then it's Andre Ward. However, I would have to slightly favor Joe Calzaghe in this potential match up.

-Abraham has the 4th most title defenses in MW history and is a 2 division champ. "average" lol, Pavlik barely made 3 defenses, and Joe never fought him. -Joe was eating head shots all night against Kessler/Bika, Ward's face barely got touched, lol "blueprint", Ward wasn't even in his prime. -Froch beat the shyt out of Kessler in the rematch proving he was robbed the 1st time and flat out better. -Pascal is a 2 division champ with wins over Dawson, Bute, Gonzalez etc. His fights with Hopkins were just as close as Calzaghe's lmao. -Kov blew Hopkins out with absolute ease, Joe went life and death with him even though they were fighting at 173. Before that the biggest man Hopkins had fought was Tarver, he had more time to adapt and was a better LHW vs Kov. -Miranda has only ever lost to elite fighters, better than 95% of Joe's resume You know your resume isn't that great when you have to hype Miranda. Let's act like Hopkins was competitive at 50 years, lost to a bum like Joe Smith who woulda lost to Tarver.

Say what you want, It's a record that still stands & within 6yrs of retirement he was in the H.O.F. And Hopkins wasn't "old" at 43, he had major victories after he got beat. It's hard to believe how people can't acknowledge success. Joe is a legend 46-0. 21 title defenses retiring undefeated. Not much else could be said. Hopkins couldn't fight at a fast pace at 43, which is why he had to feign injury. I acknowledge that Joe was a great fighter. I've never said otherwise, but his resume isn't great. His stats may look great on paper, but not when you break them down and apply context. There was nothing great about defending a title that wasn't even recognised, 21 times against mainly low level opposition.

Two special boxers but joe had that it factor.

Joe had 0 offense....poor defense....and the courage of a squirrel. Speaking of the HOF Joe has an entire wing dedicated to him in the cowards HOF:lol1::lol1: People are amused at how ignorant you are. Your posts are always good for a laugh.

Andre wouldn't have had to fake low blows to catch his breath. Because he's obviously not 43 years old. Joe being the longest reigning champ at SMW isn't a huge accomplishment. It just shows a lack of ambition. Nobody else would have squeezed themselves down from 190 pounds to spend 14 years there. His 21 WBO defences weren't that great either. Look at who he fought. They were mostly B and C class fighters, and only 7 of the defences were mandatories. Say what you want, It's a record that still stands & within 6yrs of retirement he was in the H.O.F. And Hopkins wasn't "old" at 43, he had major victories after he got beat. It's hard to believe how people can't acknowledge success. Joe is a legend 46-0. 21 title defenses retiring undefeated. Not much else could be said.

... context-wise... Ward beats anybody anytime, anywhere in the U.S... ... while Joe gets a "win" in the U.K... :)

JC would win, he wouldn't be drained and wards below belt punches wouldn't effect JC. Ward would just be the next lacy to expose JC and would get beaten by JCS volume. Not punch bag like lacy though

But some points are missing though. Regarding Joe, you have to take into context, that Kessler fought him with a broken hand that needed surgery afterwards. Hell Kessler didn't spar for Joe. Regarding Andre, you have to take his fouling into consideration. Surely his fight with Kessler would have been a dq loss in any other country and his fights against Kovalev is dubious to say the least. Another thing is his win over the extremely drained Dawson. Looks good on paper, but in reality it isn't worth much. Remember also that Dawson was ko'ed by Miranda the week before the fight. So again. Context gentlemen. I agree with most of this. I don't give Andre much credit for his win over Chad, as I read John Scully's account of the nightmare that he had losing weight. But if Joe had beaten him, I'm sure many of his fans would have given him a pass. They think Joe's win over Eubank was great. Regarding the Kovalev fights, I think Andre won the first one, and although the rematch was stopped prematurely, Kovalev had nothing left to give at that point. And only the last blow was low, and I don't think it was intentional. It also wasn't ridiculously low like in the Bowe-Golota fight. Not many people talk about Kessler being injured against Joe, and I agree that Andre's fight against Kessler was rough.

Joe was not good enough to make it a tough fight. No offense....no defense...no courage. I think if Joe had been 100% confident and he'd have fought to his full capabilities, he'd have been very awkward for Andre. But realistically, he probably wouldn't have taken the fight.

This is a great post. But some points are missing though. Regarding Joe, you have to take into context, that Kessler fought him with a broken hand that needed surgery afterwards. Hell Kessler didn't spar for Joe. Regarding Andre, you have to take his fouling into consideration. Surely his fight with Kessler would have been a dq loss in any other country and his fights against Kovalev is dubious to say the least. Another thing is his win over the extremely drained Dawson. Looks good on paper, but in reality it isn't worth much. Remember also that Dawson was ko'ed by Miranda the week before the fight. So again. Context gentlemen.

I think he meant better complexion....:lol1::lol1: Ha! This is a fun thread.

Where do you get your ganja from? You make it sound like it wouldn't even be a fight. Look at Hopkins he had to fake low blows just to catch his breath. Calzaghe was busy and had more speed than Ward so say what you want and try your best to belittle the Hall Of Fame longest reining SM champ 10yrs, record number of defences etc etc And Calzaghe would have schooled Froch. Andre wouldn't have had to fake low blows to catch his breath. Because he's obviously not 43 years old. Joe being the longest reigning champ at SMW isn't a huge accomplishment. It just shows a lack of ambition. Nobody else would have squeezed themselves down from 190 pounds to spend 14 years there. His 21 WBO defences weren't that great either. Look at who he fought. They were mostly B and C class fighters, and only 7 of the defences were mandatories.

Anybody that watched SOG VS Kessler knows that Calzaghe would mop the floor with Ward. Calzaghe shut his ass out 12-0. And that was against a PRIME Kessler. That makes no sense.

Guys like you completely ignore context to fit your agenda, idk how many times you've been told Eubank had to lose 20lbs in 2 weeks to fight Joe and you act like it doesn't matter. Eubank got beaten 2x immediately after fighting Joe to journeyman Carl Thompson. Joe struggled mightily with Reid, a guy who lost to Mulanga 1 fight before Joe, and lost 1 fight after Joe to Branco. Again, you ignore context. Lacy, struggled mightily with journeyman Omar Sheika, again you ignore context. RJJ, brutally KO'd by Tarver, Johnson 4 years earlier, once again you ignore context. Woodhall, jesus christ you're reaching, clear losses to Beyer/Holmes, arguably lost to Catley, once again you do your mental gymnastics. Brewer couldn't even beat Ottke, one of the biggest jokes in boxing, Ottke didn't even need a signature robbery to win the fight lmao. Also stopped by Veit 2 years later. Bika, just like Kessler Ward fought him and beat him far more convincingly than Joe. Context matters, YDKSAB without it. A guy getting dropped by shot to **** RJJ, feather fisted Hopkins, struggling with Reid, getting dropped by journeyman like Mitchell is somehow going to handle the punches of Froch, Barrera, Kovalev etc. This is a great post.

it wasnt a gift man, hbo had him 116-111 up for a reason, cause he put on a clinic. joe looked great that night, compubox isnt 100 percent accurate, but when i watched that fight joe was the aggressor, joe was landing the shots, hopkins was just fighting negative- he was outgunned. He put on a clinic? Ha! Maybe if you watched the fight after taking copious amounts of LSD.