First of all, a big congratulations to Canelo and his team. He looked very good last night. I liked how he carried the weight, his strategy and tactics, and his conditioning. I'm also very excited the Canelo vs GGG fight is happening this year. I know I gave Canelo a hard time for a minute here, but I also knew it was mostly his promotion company delaying the fight. Respect to him.
Now to the subject at hand... Will Canelo carry his power to the MW division? I know he can punch hard, period, but what's going to be the effect of his punches against the naturally bigger men in this new weightclass. We've seen that against people his size, that aren't considered to have a weak chin i.e. Kirkland, it takes him a while to put his opponents out, and this is after landing heavy artillery on them, much like he did against Chavez jr.
How will this translate as a factor in his fight against GGG? Canelo is a sharpshooter, and with his skills and accuracy he will earn everyone's respect in the ring to a certain extent. My question is; can he make GGG reluctant to stay in the pocket, how I think Danny Jacobs did?
I think it will be very hard for GGG to get the decision against Canelo. So if Canelo can discourage GGG from applying effective consistent pressure, he wins, however, if GGG can establish his pace I think he will hurt Canelo and can potentially stop him or dominate enough rounds to maybe get a decision.
Against Chavez jr., who I'm considering similar in size to Canelo, he didn't look very powerful per se. Maybe by the time he gets in the ring against GGG, and the 160 weight limit vs 164.5 might help too, his body will be even more accustomed to the higher weight and his punches will be crisper. But then again, Canelo has been criticized for fighting smaller/weak chinned guys for a while now. Some believe this has been a significant factor for him looking impressive and powerful.
Usually the truth is somewhere in between two extreme opposing views. Where do you stand on this, and how do you think this will affect the Canelo vs GGG fight?
Alvarez has always had overrated punching power. Sure he has pop but he's not a power puncher. He won't be knocking guys out or looking like a monster in that department.
Canelo's not a big puncher, but he's pretty accurate and fast when he counters, not only catching you right on the button but whilst you're throwing your weight into it.
Canelo fan or not, you can't deny those pull right hands and uppercuts are a thing of beauty.
GGG looks so hesitant when someone is throwing at him, the good side is that Canelo's stamina isn't really good but in the dangerous side, Canelo can put very good combos together with speed and decent power.
I don't think his power can hurt GGG but i believe he can make GGG hesitate so IMO Golovkin needs to look at his own amateur fights and bring back all that skill and head movement.
I don't GGG is hesitant to throw punches when his opponent is throwing punches as well. Didn't he stop Gale while getting punched flush in the face?
Canelo seems to have snappy power. With his quick hands, and if he fights smart enough he could potentially discourage GGG.
I'm leaning towards GGG respecting Canelo's punch, but not enough to deter him from applying effective pressure and landing his shots consistently.
Wrong again. he wasn't weight drained like he was.
oh and this is about damage.
Martinez did more damage. PROOF
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Look at the weighin pics he was looking worst back then... imo canelo did more dsmage and had an easier time with chavez, if you think otherwise fine, the point i was trying to make is chavez has an iron chin and only a lightheavy has been able to stop him, same guy that dropped adonis stevenson if i remember correctly.
Chavez didnt even prepare well for that fight, it was one of his worst camps, and he had zero workrate in that fight, other than last round, fight was a carbon copy of the canelo fight.
Wrong again. he wasn't weight drained like he was.
oh and this is about damage.
Martinez did more damage. PROOF
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WRONG. Martinez definitely hits harder than Canelo
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this was Jr in his prime too. When he actually had a workrate.
Chavez didnt even prepare well for that fight, it was one of his worst camps, and he had zero workrate in that fight, other than last round, fight was a carbon copy of the canelo fight.
GGG looks so hesitant when someone is throwing at him, the good side is that Canelo's stamina isn't really good but in the dangerous side, Canelo can put very good combos together with speed and decent power.
I don't think his power can hurt GGG but i believe he can make GGG hesitate so IMO Golovkin needs to look at his own amateur fights and bring back all that skill and head movement.
people always bring up Canelo's combos. They act like GGG just throw single shots. LMAo
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Dont be naive, you need a light heavyweight to stop chavez...
Maravilla had good power at 160 and did less damage than canelo did on chavez...
WRONG. Martinez definitely hits harder than Canelo
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this was Jr in his prime too. When he actually had a workrate.
no. he didnt wobble chavez once last night and he was hitting him clean all night. he looks powerful against glass jawed fighters- khan and kirkland. thats it. its a myth he carries power.
Dont be naive, you need a light heavyweight to stop chavez...
Maravilla had good power at 160 and did less damage than canelo did on chavez...
Cotto, Lara all got on their bikes afraid to trade with canelo for a reason. You don't do that if you not worried about his power. If Lara stays in the pocket more and doesn't run he gets knocked out. If Cotto comes forward aggressive and tries to fight him like he did Pacquiao he is put to sleep. Canelo was the first to drop trout and stumbled him multiple times all fight long and after the knockdown in an open scoring fight where he knew he knew he was down on scorecards he shut it down and quit. Last 1/3 of the fight was trout not taking chances because he didn't want to get dropped or knocked out by another counter. Chavez shut it down after a few rounds refusing to throw because it left him open to get hit. You don't get on your bike, go to a shell if the guy hitting you can't hurt you.
I don't think he can hurt any top fighter at 160... Chavez was beaten bad last night, but never on the verge of falling... He's gonna have to be patient with GGG, avoid the bombs and the devastating jab and hope he can outbox the aging king ...
Who has dropped chavez? And he's not 160lber he's a natural light heavy weight much bigger the canelo and anyone at 160. We can clown on chavez but the one thing he has is a great chin only been down once and that was to fonfara a 175lb fighter and he didn't keep him down chavez got up and then just quit. So canelo not being able to put chavez away doesn't really tell me much. He busted chavez face up and got him gun shy because he didn't want to be hit that tells me he can hurt other much smaller fighters at 160. He doesn't need a 1 shot KO. He's a skilled fighter needs just enough pop to gain respect from his opponent and he definitely has that.
Lol, we already know that, he has been fighting at middleweight for some time.
Canelo doesn't have great punching power and never had it, he stopped Khan, Kirkland, Angulo by accumulation and Smith, besides Smith, all of them were stopped before and at lighter classes, he couldn't drop Lara and Cotto despite both of them being down several times during their careers and the only top fighter that he has ever knocked down is Trout who has been knocked down plenty of times himself.
Canelo doesn't have great power but he does have great timing and accuracy and that's far more important, so it doesn't matters if he can't really knock guys unconscious at 160 because his style isn't about that, he is heavy handed enough to make his opponents think about pressure him but he wouldn't score the ko's he scored against Khan and Kirkland over top opposition.
Problem is the guy he is going to fight next has great timing, accuracy plus power. That kind of power can get a fighter out if a jam really quickly.
You can If the guys you KO have weak chins and have been brutalized before.
Ashiida KO'd Kirkland..
That guy can't knock over a box of cereal.:lol1:
Khan has a sand castle chin.
Canelito is not a puncher.
So, do you think GGG is just going to walk through his punches?
Lol, we already know that, he has been fighting at middleweight for some time.
Canelo doesn't have great punching power and never had it, he stopped Khan, Kirkland, Angulo by accumulation and Smith, besides Smith, all of them were stopped before and at lighter classes, he couldn't drop Lara and Cotto despite both of them being down several times during their careers and the only top fighter that he has ever knocked down is Trout who has been knocked down plenty of times himself.
Canelo doesn't have great power but he does have great timing and accuracy and that's far more important, so it doesn't matters if he can't really knock guys unconscious at 160 because his style isn't about that, he is heavy handed enough to make his opponents think about pressure him but he wouldn't score the ko's he scored against Khan and Kirkland over top opposition.
So how do you think his power will be relevant against GGG?
I think Canelo has always been and will continue to be a pretty big puncher. He isn't a KO artist, but if you take liberties with him he can get you. Chavez just has a great chin, plus naturally a bigger man. I think there are plenty of good middleweights that Canelo is capable of stopping.
The guys at 160 are also naturally bigger than Canelo. These guys (not Canelo) coming up to 160 from 154 are big guys. Charlo is one of them.
Canelo got respectable power but not a huge puncher.
I think Canelo has always been and will continue to be a pretty big puncher. He isn't a KO artist, but if you take liberties with him he can get you. Chavez just has a great chin, plus naturally a bigger man. I think there are plenty of good middleweights that Canelo is capable of stopping.
I don't think he can hurt any top fighter at 160... Chavez was beaten bad last night, but never on the verge of falling... He's gonna have to be patient with GGG, avoid the bombs and the devastating jab and hope he can outbox the aging king ...
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