Ever since canelo lost to mayweather the only real tough challenger he faced in his prime was lara which I though he lost. He had no intention of unifying his division like a true champ would do facing andrade and charlo. GBP wanted no part of a 154 lb unification with the other champs and Instead he faced an old cotto, kirkland, anuglo, and khan. GGG's wins against lemieux and jacobs surpasses any win canelo has.
Lemeieux and jacobs > trout lara and cotto.
who are you trying to fool :lol1: :lol1:
My position on Lil g is documented.
My problem with him is gross underachievement.
And that is why I am more of a fan of his than most of these absurd fanboys on this and other forums.
Because, unlike them, I am not afraid to tell things as they are and hold what looks like a possibly great fighter to the same standards as all the greats that came before him.
There ARE great middleweights that never moved up.
But none of those guys came to prominence claiming they could beat anyone in 3 or 4 weightclasses only to never try to prove it.
I want Lil g to prove it.
Thanks.
I agree that Lemieux is one dimensional, but it is a bit disingenuous to pick out his two worst performances and then paint his entire career in that light.
I like that you emphasize Jacobs as a disputed win, but don't do the same for Canelo's wins over Lara and Trout. In honesty, I thought GGG and Canelo deserved all of those wins. It does show your bias though. As does your need to pick at GGG's opponents without subjecting Canelo's to the same scrutiny.
I thought I did give them similar scrutiny.
I said the fighters Canelo beat (Lara, Trout, Cotto) would never lose to fighters like Alcine or Antonio Rubio."
And Lara and Trout were acknowledged elite guys going into the fights with Canelo.
But Jacobs was a huge question mark before his fight with Lil g- and in some ways he still is a question mark.
I know you are trying to appear objective, but to anyone with any sense at all, you are failing miserably.
Why?
Because the fact you are comparing a guy who had his FIRST REAL CHALLENGE OF AN 11 YEAR CAREER JUST LAST MONTH, against a guy 10 years younger yet who has already FACED 3 surefire HOFers (and perhaps up to 6) AND BEATEN ALL BUT ONE OF THEM is inherently biased.
The fact that his fans thought that a career middleweight could be vindicated as an ATG by fighting a career Jr welterweight is inherently biased.
Great fighters usually prove their greatness by challenging upwards, not down a weightclass.
Listen, I hope you are proven right.
I hope Lil g is indeed great.
But, I am not seeing that from him yet, and time is growing short.
That post was nothing more than a g string ball gagger stating his opinion to support agenda. Not one fact in it. You know it and I know it.
I'm asking you to disprove one of the things he said there.
As far as resumes go, I don't see Canelo's being all that much better. To say Saul's wins over Angulo and Cotto as world class victories is kind of misleading to the "casual" fan. Angulo "spit the bit" in his fight against Lara whom he clearly had 'against the ropes' so to speak before the eye injury caused the stop of fight. Angulo saw this fight against Canelo as a cash out bout. Angulo is a good fighter and I am a fan of his. But he just never reached the level of a top tier boxer. The Lara fight is probably his (Angulo's) best "career" bout ever. I was routing for him too. Lara just had too much skill to overcome.
As Far as Cotto, Being a middle weight "lineal champion",... with all due respect, and I like Cotto,...Cotto pulled the "start fast end fast" strategy similar to what Porter did to Malignassi (sp?) and more recently what DJ did to Quillen, against a lame passed his prime Sergio Martinez just isn't that impressive. Thisagainst the same Martinez that ducked Gennady Golovkin. GGG had already called out Martinez after he folded Macklin like a lawn chair. Yet Canelo's victory over Cotto seems to be a major accomplishment when he looked like a super middle weight going into the ring with a jr welter weight,......yeah that's a huge notch on his resume,....I guess.
Against FM, Canelo looked like a red faced (literally) scolded school boy. I watched the fight and can't seem remembering him to ever winning one round of that bout. So scratch that fight off the resume as well.
Canelo almost always looks great against the out-classed/out-weighed fighters, but when it comes to legit top ranked fighters like the FM's and Lara's of resume,..he just isn't that impressive. And if you want to add Kahn to the mix, it was clear that he couldn't answer the speed Kahn issued before he landed the KO punch. If GGG was exposed by Brook, the same can be said that Saul was exposed by Kahn as well. Kahn just didn't have the power behind his punches to be effective. But he was ahead on the scorecards. Had he lasted the distance and got the victory on points, this would be a totally different scenario,...but he didn't LOL's Comparing the resumes between GGG and Saul Alvarez seems to be a moot point in all reality when they have both fought much different opposition. And if I'm not mistaken, Kell Brook out-weighed Golovkin when they stepped into the ring for their fight.
That post was nothing more than a g string ball gagger stating his opinion to support agenda. Not one fact in it. You know it and I know it.
Banned from thread for being a troll.
Oi lad, u have picked the WORST user name possible. I have read many of your posts and it does not suit you at all (in fact, you're boarderline ignore list).
Now, to your answer.
YES!!!! IF Golovkin dropped a world title to avoid Ward, then yes.
If Golovkin drops any world title belts to avoid any fighter, he is a ducking pu55y.
Get it? I hate ducking fighters, not fighters of certain groups, nationalities, races or religions.
Now f#@k off.
Jerk off, I'm not much impressed with you either. Feel free to add me to that list.
With a name like that it's hilarious how you gloss everything over. There's literally NOTHING in that post that's inaccurate at all. It's a stupid way to compare resumes but the fact that you're saying there are no facts when they're all facts makes you look stupid.
That post was nothing more than a g string ball gagger stating his opinion to support agenda. Not one fact in it. You know it and I know it.
Canelo resume says he has beaten more then DOUBLE the amount of world Champs as GGG. Beaten hall of famers and top P4P 10 ranked fighters. GGG hasn't faced any HOFers or top 10 p4p ranked fighters. And canelo has done all that at 26 while GGG is 35. Just off the eyeball test canelo has faced more known, higher ranked opponents then GGG. Canelo opponents have done more in the sport and received more respect and accolades for a reason. Only an idiot thinks guys like lemieux, geale, jacobs are comparable to floyd, cotto, trout, mosley, lara, etc.
Are you ****ing kidding me? Using an old mosley and old cotto who was outweighed by 20 lbs as a great win is pathetic on your part. Here we go again. Let's compare the best wins of each.
Brook beats cotto and trout. Lara is 50/50. Lemeiux beats trout lara and cotto. Jacobs beats lara trout and cotto. GGG's top 3 wins all beats canelo's top 3 wins.
Brook, lemieux, jacobs > lara trout and cotto. The truth really hurts that you have to bring up a retired mosley and a small cotto 20 lbs less to try to prove your point. ****ing sad. LOLLLLLLLLLL
Not according to trout if you saw the fight live the you saw the interview I posted with trouts own words telling you why he lost.
"He was the better man, quicker fighter, stronger fighter... He shocked us, I accept my defeat humbly" -Trout
Trouts opinion and assessment of the fight >>> Yours.
The man literally quit the final 3rd after knowing the score but refused to try. admitted defeat after the fight saying the difference was canelo speed and power. But an idiot like you still arguing the outcome LMAO
once again that is an opinion under emotional distress.
that's like when Ali said Tyson would beat him. so Tyson > Ali by Ali's own admission?
opinions are not held up to facts.
the facts are
Trout bullied Canelo on the ropes
Trout outworked Canelo
Trout outlanded Canelo
it's like you can't tell opinion and facts apart. that is troubling.
Trout isn't that good. I love Miguel but quite a few beat him.
Gggs resume is better. Brook and Jacobs is better than below resume
I forgot about brooke. Brooke beats cotto and trout soundly.
And GGG ducked Ward that's another part of his resume
nope. did GGG pay a step aside fee to Ward?
Did GGG give up a belt?
Was Ward ever a mandatory
it's like these morons can't think.
Soooo... You've got nothing but your fantasy matchups. Got it.
Which fantasy matchup are you referring to the next door neighbor or Cotto. I know Cotto won't get in the ring with Lemieux. Lemieux wont, can't drop down in weight and Cotto won't move up to fight him.
Canelo has paid GGG to not fight him. this is the equivalent of a gangster collecting fees from the local convenience store. bullied.
Another lie. Cotto paid GGG a step aside to land the Canelo fight. But Canelo hasn't paid GGG a dime. Was granted a voluntary defense by WBC and then dumped the belt. Never paid a step aside to GGG. Just stop you embarrassing yourself.
I think the quality of the resumes are not as far apart as some people think. It is fair to challenge that.
I think Jacobs and Lemiuex are better wins than a lot of GGG detractors want to admit.
Canelo's standout wins are Lara, Cotto, and Trout. They all present more difficult styles than Lemieux, but I think Jacobs is more dangerous than any of them at middleweight. I'm not trying to pump him up, I'm not a GGG fanboy. I just legit think Jacobs is a real guy. Lemieux is one dimensional, but fast and powerful. He can't be handled any better than GGG did. You can't really contest these points.
Against their other opponents, there isn't much difference in quality, and GGG generally looked more impressive against the non elite guys.
I give Canelo the nod when it comes to opposition, but it isn't by a wide margin anymore.
It's good to see things from an objective and neutrel point of view. Sometimes fans of certain fighters whether it be Triple G, Canelo, Mayweather, Pacquiao, etc....cannot see things in a neutrel or objective way or see things for what they are. Good on your part though to know that.
no i watched the fight.
canelo spent the majority of the fight evading action and on the ropes.
he gave away ring generalship on top of getting outlanded and outworked.
that is 3 of the most important scoring criterias. not 1.
so stop lying
Not according to trout if you saw the fight live the you saw the interview I posted with trouts own words telling you why he lost.
"He was the better man, quicker fighter, stronger fighter... He shocked us, I accept my defeat humbly" -Trout
Trouts opinion and assessment of the fight >>> Yours.
The man literally quit the final 3rd after knowing the score but refused to try. admitted defeat after the fight saying the difference was canelo speed and power. But an idiot like you still arguing the outcome LMAO
Canelo has paid GGG to not fight him. this is the equivalent of a gangster collecting fees from the local convenience store. bullied.
Canelo has given up his title belt to GGG. that 1 explains itself.
the facts of history.
GGG TKO Canelo X2 (Forfeit)
Canelo resume says he has beaten more then DOUBLE the amount of world Champs as GGG. Beaten hall of famers and top P4P 10 ranked fighters. GGG hasn't faced any HOFers or top 10 p4p ranked fighters. And canelo has done all that at 26 while GGG is 35. Just off the eyeball test canelo has faced more known, higher ranked opponents then GGG. Canelo opponents have done more in the sport and received more respect and accolades for a reason. Only an idiot thinks guys like lemieux, geale, jacobs are comparable to floyd, cotto, trout, mosley, lara, etc.
most importantly, ducked GGG. that's a part of his resume. another fact of history.
GGG > Canelo
Canelo resume says he has beaten more then DOUBLE the amount of world Champs as GGG. Beaten hall of famers and top P4P 10 ranked fighters. GGG hasn't faced any HOFers or top 10 p4p ranked fighters. And canelo has done all that at 26 while GGG is 35. Just off the eyeball test canelo has faced more known, higher ranked opponents then GGG. Canelo opponents have done more in the sport and received more respect and accolades for a reason. Only an idiot thinks guys like lemieux, geale, jacobs are comparable to floyd, cotto, trout, mosley, lara, etc.