James Tony, how great?

He has his flaws. He got outboxed by a 5 7 midget in montell griffin.

He was a magician when he was in his prime. Amazing fighter.

There is no doubt about Toney's greatness. I rate Toney over Hopkins. Hopkins couldnt carry Toney's spit bucket. In terms of skills, i put toney in the top 20 all time..

Modern. No hugely significant wins aside from Nunn. MW to HW might cement him historically though.

Perfect timing, I've been going through a Toney kick lately, watching a lot of his fights. Obviously when in shape at middleweight he was amazing but even as he got fatter and fatter his ablility to shoulder roll beautifully while fighting from phone booth distances never waivered. ATG IMO :boxing: How amazing was he really at middleweight? Struggled and arguably lost to Sanderline Williams, struggled with Merqui Sosa, struggled extremely badly with Reggie Johnson and got a gift and flat out lost and robbed Dave Tiberi. Got a draw with Mike McCallum that most felt he lost. Then his only good win at the weight against Micheal Nunn he looked like sh*t for most of the fight and was losing widely on the cards before pulling out the stoppage. I don't see the amazement.

There ain't no logic in looking at his fights happened after even he knew he was shot and was trying to milk his name. So, the lossy part of his career shd go oıt the window. Imo one of the best mechanicians n technicians. (mechanician, thus a new word was created by Rovito :b )

Inb4IronDan Looooooooooool

Modern great but could have been an all time great had he had the right mindset. You never knew which toney was going to show up.

Loses points for ducking Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank. I don't think the fact those fights never happened was down to Toney ducking them tbh.

Perfect timing, I've been going through a Toney kick lately, watching a lot of his fights. Obviously when in shape at middleweight he was amazing but even as he got fatter and fatter his ablility to shoulder roll beautifully while fighting from phone booth distances never waivered. ATG IMO :boxing:

I think now is as good a time as any to point out that he has another fight scheduled, for May 13th against Mike Sheppard (24-20-2). :lol1::lol1: Holy **** seriously? I'm actually curious enough to watch that

ATG obviously

I think now is as good a time as any to point out that he has another fight scheduled, for May 13th against Mike Sheppard (24-20-2). Inb4IronDan :lol1::lol1:

I remember James usto come into the gym when it was closing and shadow box till 3am.

Loses points for ducking Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank.

Personally I think James Toney was an all time great, but waned to know what the rest of the world thinks. He was great then he started slacking off and putting on pounds. I wish he would of stayed focus, could of been even better imagine that!

Sorry guys but amongst all the love here for James you seem to conveniently overlook his multiple failed steroid tests? Even in an era of laughable testing protocols, he was exposed as a cheater and that HAS to tarnish his "legacy". I have followed Toney's career from him being a middleweight and there were obvious signs that he was juicing well before he even got caught IMO.

All-time great. He just struggled with discipline and keeping in shape. Hung around HW division too long. If he could have controlled his weight he could have ruled the LHW and CW divisions with ease.

Inb4IronDan :lol1: Beat me to it. Iron Dan in pre-fight intro mode like: https://s3.amazonaws.com/vice_asset_uploader/files/1404143488dossantos.GIF

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