Has Lemieux surpassed Murray?

Why not? I dont think that both guys are so talented. Both of them are good fighting against GGG but eventually lost! They are fighters at the capacity to beat each other. Especially I want Murray to fight against Arthur Abraham but rematch fight was canceled.

hard to say who was better, two terrific fighters. If LeMew and Murray are terrific fighters, your standards are verrrrrrrrrrrrry low, or are you just trying to over inflate their skills because it fits your agenda (g string victims)?

Martin Murray peaked against Sergio Martinez. He got robbed against Felix Sturm and he got robbed against Sergio Martinez. No doubt in my mind. Idiots will dispute that fact without seeing the fights. Martin Murray, at 30 years old, should have been WBA Super, WBC and RING magazine Middleweight champion with a record of 27-0 (11 KO). His resume would have boasted wins over Sturm and Martinez in their backyards. However, he did get robbed. Ever since then he has been in decline. He has never reached those performance levels since and has looked like trash on several occasions. His career doesn't really have any direction to it now and it appears he's lost the ambition, treats boxing as a source of income now. Could see him being lined up as an opponent for one of the British Super Middleweight champions but he'll just be making up the numbers. I agree. The Martinez fight was a massive robbery. The ref was totally in on it too. There should have been at least one knockdown for Murray which would have changed the fight completely and given him the victory. But you're right. That was his peak, and he was never the same afterwards. Especially mentally. The unfortunate part for fighters like Murray, those hard luck losers, is you can only take so many controversial losses before they take a toll and your confidence drops. Look what happened to Maurcio Herrera. It's the same situation. Lemieux has more gifts than Murray. He's got quicker hands and has great punching power, which alone gives him a fighters chance in fights. Something that Murray doesn't have that.

lol..both are B-level at best

Murray would obviously have spanked Lemieux earlier, as Lemieux was losing left and right to random guys like Alcine, Golovkin and Rubio. He was not just a victim, but a victim of the Golovkin victims. Now, he did KO Stevens and it looked like he is finally starting to evolve as a fighter. I am starting to think that he may actually be better than Murray now, but I'm not sure if I would go that far for beating Stevens. What do you think? Not sure about that. Martinez would have ****ed Lemieux up.

Martin Murray is strong, robust but a very simple fighter! and sometimes being simple, can get you really hurt in this game. David Lemieux in my opinion is no master pugilist, in terms of his offensive and defensive creativity but? his punching power is not simple! (He has above average punching power at 160) and that is the difference between the two fighters! David Lemieux's punching power is not simple, to understand or negate. (I also think Martin Murray is drained at 160, none of his main assets such as being robust are enhanced at 160! they are just diminished)..... At 160 David Lemieux wins, but if the fight was made at 168? Martin Murray would win in my opinion, because he won't be drained at the weight, and his main strengths which are his fitness & durability will be enhanced!

Murray beat sergio martinez Now hold on a minute...do you think murray could have carried sergios boots in sergios prime? The man is saying best murray could beat lemeuix...which is debatable...but it sounds like you are now saying murrays win over serg is some great achievement. Sergio knew his legs were gone and he underestimated murrays tenacity in what was to be a last dance showcase in front of his own people. Had his legs held up and he'd won without controversy...he likely would have retired and we wouldnt have had the cotto bout which was about pride...and which has led to this whole canelo mid/catchweight bullsheet. Simple answer here...sergio will be remembered as a great middleweight champion....martin murray will be an afterthought...lemeiux is yet to be determined.

Martin Murray peaked against Sergio Martinez. He got robbed against Felix Sturm and he got robbed against Sergio Martinez. No doubt in my mind. Idiots will dispute that fact without seeing the fights. Martin Murray, at 30 years old, should have been WBA Super, WBC and RING magazine Middleweight champion with a record of 27-0 (11 KO). His resume would have boasted wins over Sturm and Martinez in their backyards. However, he did get robbed. Ever since then he has been in decline. He has never reached those performance levels since and has looked like trash on several occasions. His career doesn't really have any direction to it now and it appears he's lost the ambition, treats boxing as a source of income now. Could see him being lined up as an opponent for one of the British Super Middleweight champions but he'll just be making up the numbers. I like Martin Murray, but I don't know why this myth of him getting robbed against Sturm keeps getting perpetuated. Matt Macklin should have got the nod against Sturm, but Murray was ultimately lucky to be awarded the draw - in fact it may almost be the case that the judges were swayed by not wanting to be seen to favour the home fighter in the aftermath of the Macklin 'loss'. Problem with Murray is simply that his offense isn't good or sustained enough to win him fights at the world level without favourable judging - he's a tough, sturdy kid, but a high guard with occasional flurries ain't gonna get you wins unless you've got the power to back it up (a la Abraham). OK - he probably should have got the nod against Maravilla, but with hindsight it's very hard to know just how shot Sergio was at that point. Lemieux or Murray? Probably around the same, resume wise, though H2H I'd probably slightly give David the edge now - though it could get a bit hairy for the Canadian later rounds when he starts to slow down. I think it goes the distance though, Murray's as tough as old boots.

Why is a win against Rosado even worth mentioning? The guy is a bum, so is Stevens, C class fighter. I literally have no idea why they list him as some good win..literally WHO THE HELL HAS HE BEATEN? all i ever see is him getting his ass handed to him

Murray is OK, but no wins at the elite level. Lemieux would stop him w/o a doubt. Are you kidding, boy? Neither Groves nor Abraham could KO Murray. Even Golovkin was just barely able to do it. There is no chance in hell that Lemieux stops Murray. However, after seeing Lemieux's last fight, I'm starting to think that Lemieux maybe would have what it takes to edge Murray by decision. Those dangerous punches would make most guys passive and gunshy. Murray got much better wins though (when looking past robberies).

Murray is OK, but no wins at the elite level. Lemieux would stop him w/o a doubt.

Murray would obviously have spanked Lemieux earlier, as Lemieux was losing left and right to random guys like Alcine, Golovkin and Rubio. He was not just a victim, but a victim of the Golovkin victims. Now, he did KO Stevens and it looked like he is finally starting to evolve as a fighter. I am starting to think that he may actually be better than Murray now, but I'm not sure if I would go that far for beating Stevens. What do you think?Your wording that Lemieux was losing left and right to random guys is unfair and misleading. GGG isn't some random guy. He knocks out everybody including Murray. Alcine and Rubio are the ONLY other loses on his record. He has improved tremendously since losing to Rubio. He has looked good long before he KOed Stevens. Murray is a decent fighter but he has never been a champion. Lemieux past him by long ago when he became a world champion. Right now most would rate him above Murray.

Murray would obviously have spanked Lemieux earlier, as Lemieux was losing left and right to random guys like Alcine, Golovkin and Rubio. He was not just a victim, but a victim of the Golovkin victims. Now, he did KO Stevens and it looked like he is finally starting to evolve as a fighter. I am starting to think that he may actually be better than Murray now, but I'm not sure if I would go that far for beating Stevens. What do you think? Come on, really?

Murray would obviously have spanked Lemieux earlier, as Lemieux was losing left and right to random guys like Alcine, Golovkin and Rubio. He was not just a victim, but a victim of the Golovkin victims. Now, he did KO Stevens and it looked like he is finally starting to evolve as a fighter. I am starting to think that he may actually be better than Murray now, but I'm not sure if I would go that far for beating Stevens. What do you think? kind of a who's the tallest midget argument isn't it?

No. Murray got skills and still is percieved as more solid boxer..

Martin Murray peaked against Sergio Martinez. He got robbed against Felix Sturm and he got robbed against Sergio Martinez. No doubt in my mind. Idiots will dispute that fact without seeing the fights. Martin Murray, at 30 years old, should have been WBA Super, WBC and RING magazine Middleweight champion with a record of 27-0 (11 KO). His resume would have boasted wins over Sturm and Martinez in their backyards. However, he did get robbed. Ever since then he has been in decline. He has never reached those performance levels since and has looked like trash on several occasions. His career doesn't really have any direction to it now and it appears he's lost the ambition, treats boxing as a source of income now. Could see him being lined up as an opponent for one of the British Super Middleweight champions but he'll just be making up the numbers.

Im not sure murray would have ever beaten lemeiux...martin murray liked what the brits call an old fashioned tear up...think ricky hatton or michael katsidis style...he was tough and gritty but definitely not a thinker. Lemeuix is not the smartest fighter either...unlike golovkin he is not an accumulator....he either hits you or he doesnt...but murray is known to get hit ...a lot...and with that level of power...i dont think he makes it out. Murray beat sergio martinez

Im not sure murray would have ever beaten lemeiux...martin murray liked what the brits call an old fashioned tear up...think ricky hatton or michael katsidis style...he was tough and gritty but definitely not a thinker. Lemeuix is not the smartest fighter either...unlike golovkin he is not an accumulator....he either hits you or he doesnt...but murray is known to get hit ...a lot...and with that level of power...i dont think he makes it out.

Lemieux would use Murray as a human punching bag. The guy always falls short on the world level. The best thing you can say about Murray is he can take a lot of punishment. Which against someone like Lemieux is gonna be a long and painful night.

Murray is also now a super middeleight and just lost to groves