Let me be more specific. Oscar delahoya did more to Trinidad than Thurman did to Garcia and delahoya pulled the same crap by running last few rounds and they have it to Trinidad. Garcia seemed more aggressor and was pushing forward like Trinidad and Thurman wasn't as active as oscar was. So what's the difference. I personally think Thurman was afraid of Danny's power as oscar might have been afraid of trinidads power. Both of these fights have many parallels and were really not great fights. I think there should be a rematch. Only because a lot of questions were not answered.
I think Oscar won that fight but got shafted by the judges.
Thurman beat Garcia comfortably.
I think Thurman's plan was to start strong, get respect from Garcia with his power, and build a lead. Once he knew he was ahead, he went on his back foot but remained active enough to win at least half the rounds during the second half. This tactic worked because as a strong counter-puncher, Danny's output would then be constrained. He's not a great pressure fighter. He prefers a fighter coming to him. This made the latter rounds less exciting but it secured a clear win for Thurman.
Fights are scored on a round-by-round basis. You can't say someone should've won because of the totality of the action. And unless there was a knockdown or a thrashing in a specific round, they're all scored 10-9. Lot of people just don't seem to get this.
Garcia won maybe two rounds from 1-10, in my opinion. If you give him the two rounds Keith took off, that makes it 8-4 (116-112), Thurman. One of the judges scored it just like this, another had it 115-113, which is fine. The guy that had it for Danny is what's wrong with boxing.
He made the fight closer than what I thought it'd end up being. That also had to do with Thurman not engaging as much in the last quarter of the fight. Danny's a really good fighter. People hate him because they hate his dad. It was a close fight. I'm not sure about 7-2 after 9 or so but I liked the change of styles and pace from both fighters.
Thurman won the fight and rightfully so.
I'm not not disputing the win for Thurman. I'm saying the fight was weak. And comparing it to oscar and Trinidad but the opposite results on both fights one fight the runner loses and second fight runner wins. When clearly oscar did more that Thurman did and still lost. I guess my issue is more what the judges are seeing and I know the politics in boxing are pretty high.
Don King paid off the refs it's as simple as that. Before Oscar shut it down 1 of the 3 refs had the fight DEAD even heading into the 10th round despite Oscar doubling Trinidad up in EVERY statistical category. This judge had Trinidad up even BEFORE the 12th and gave the 12th to Oscar despite him running and intentionally giving this round away. He gave the round to Oscar to try and make his score look closer and less corrupt otherwise he would of scored the fight 116 to 112 for Trinidad. Think about that for a second. Oscar needed to knock Trinidad out this fight to avoid getting robbed.
No, Oscar was robbed! He won that fight everyone with a brain knows it. He was more dominant before he shut it down then Thurman was. Just because the judges screwed over Oscar don't mean they should of done the same with thurman. Both Oscar and Thurman put on a boxing lesson won enough rounds and gave away rounds late that shouldn't of had any impact on the decision if you score the fight right or there is no corruption.
For a numbers comparison Oscar/Tito is literally one of alltime worst decisions since compubox started tracking stats. Only 5 fights in history featured a fighter outlanding his opponents by more punches and NOT getting the decision.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/8/1192157/compubox-worst-title-fight
Total Punches landed
Thurman 147 26%
Garcia 130 30%
Total Power punches landed
Thurman 102
Garcia 89
Total Punches landed
Oscar 263 41%
Tito 166 36%
Total Power punches landed
Oscar 124
Tito 116
So you guys are saying the judges did it right this time and not the other away around. It makes sense and like I said I'm not disputing the fight results but the judges are seeing stuff obviously that were not and maybe they are seeing money in their pockets . We saw Garcia rob Herrera and oscar rob Whitaker so I guess karma finally caught up with them.
I'm not not disputing the win for Thurman. I'm saying the fight was weak. And comparing it to oscar and Trinidad but the opposite results on both fights one fight the runner loses and second fight runner wins. When clearly oscar did more that Thurman did and still lost. I guess my issue is more what the judges are seeing and I know the politics in boxing are pretty high.
That was more the answer I was waiting to hear. So you think oscar won? I do too. And think Keith won but don't feel the fight was good. Keith did enough to win but champions don't run and it bit oscar in the ass. Granted he should have just stayed in the fight and not listen to his corner tell him that he's already won the fight. It's like starting to take the neel down in football before the two minute warning
It's a championship fight and I said this back when oscar and Trinidad fought. You can't run like that. Leonard and hearts went blow to blow and put on a great historic fight. And no one ran. I'm saying this fight was just a sparring match. It didn't do anything or answer questions . The quality of both fights were trash. Atleast oscar was more active but still ran and got the loss.
So because a belt or two is on the line that should affect the scoring of an entire sport?
It did answer questions... it showed Thurman can outbox Garcia ( he threw more punches in every round barr two) Garcia was very one-dimensional. Thurman showed he can be tight and defensive when Garcia knew he had to go for the KO in the later rounds and didnt put himself in unnecessary trouble knowing he was ahead on the scorecards.
You're one of those people who goes to a boxing event and wants every match to be two guys throwing chin bombs non-stop.
Thurman won.. handily. Deal with it.
I'm not saying Danny won. I am just comparing both fights and for the reason that both guys ran last few rounds , gave oscar his first loss. But didn't work for danny. And clearly oscar won that fight. So I guess the real question is, who got screwed? Oscar or Danny
Imo Oscar won that fight and also he shot his foot by barely engaging in the last rounds.. Thurman gave 1 round away from 10-12 which I didn't like either but one the judge did mess up the scoring at the end which means even a round that Thurman dominated he was robbed of that..
I think you need to rewatch the fight and see exactly how thurman smashed at least 7 rounds out of the first 8 then realise that even if he did "run" , the maths still say he won.
It's a championship fight and I said this back when oscar and Trinidad fought. You can't run like that. Leonard and hearts went blow to blow and put on a great historic fight. And no one ran. I'm saying this fight was just a sparring match. It didn't do anything or answer questions . The quality of both fights were trash. Atleast oscar was more active but still ran and got the loss.
If I was Angel Garcia that's what I would have thought..
Thank god I'm not and the better man won the fight..
Enough said.
I'm not saying Danny won. I am just comparing both fights and for the reason that both guys ran last few rounds , gave oscar his first loss. But didn't work for danny. And clearly oscar won that fight. So I guess the real question is, who got screwed? Oscar or Danny
I think you need to rewatch the fight and see exactly how thurman smashed at least 7 rounds out of the first 8 then realise that even if he did "run" , the maths still say he won.