Top 5 middleweights of alltime

Lol @ these wannabe historians listing Greb and Ketchell. Have you seen them live? Did you live in those times? Articles and grandfather stories dont count. Never mind middleweight Grebs arguably the greatest of all time. (Certainly he is going by resume) Sure there's no footage but no one beat more greats and hall inductees than Greb. Greatness is judged on who fighters beat and when they beat them more so than how good they look on film. GGG looks good on film but who the **** has he beat?

1 Sugar Ray Robinson 2 Carlos Monzon 3 Marcel Cerdan 4 Harry Greb 5 Stanley Ketchel 6 Tiger Flowers 7 Marvin Hagler 8 Mickey Walker 9 Holman Williams 10 Jake LaMotta/ Charley Burley ....very tough to leave Burley out on any list, terrific competitor. Ray

Greatest IS about legacy. Lol @ anyone seriously putting GGG in a top 5. Yeah GGG hasn't earned that recognition yet. But if he does beat Jacobs, Saunders, and Canelo this year, his resume at MW would be as good or arguably better than Hopkins. But I don't consider Hopkins a top 5 MW either.

Lol @ these wannabe historians listing Greb and Ketchell. Have you seen them live? Did you live in those times? Articles and grandfather stories dont count. Lol at people listing Roy Jones. Jones had 3 decent wins at MW - an old Castro, a green Hopkins, and Thomas Tate.... Greb might not have footage, but it stands a fact that he was fighting LHW's as a MW and that he went out of his way to fight black fighters.

And when you rank the best fighters in the history of a division, you're talking their careers at that weight. I do it differently. I rank the best fighters as the ones who win H2H. I suppose the problem is that the term 'greatest' is open to interpretation. So you have answered my question as to why people were ranking like they were, so cheers for that.

Lol @ these wannabe historians listing Greb and Ketchell. Have you seen them live? Did you live in those times? Articles and grandfather stories dont count. Well Greb resume speaks volumes ,seen or not quality of his opponents cant be denied Ketchell knock down Jack Johnson ,not bad if you ask me ,pluse his resume,Footage have nothing to do with it ,this men have legacy.

Lol @ these wannabe historians listing Greb and Ketchell. Have you seen them live? Did you live in those times? Articles and grandfather stories dont count.

1-Greb 2-Gibbons 3-Robinson 4-Ketchel 5-Steele nice to see some love for Phantom ,i rearly see him mentioned at all

Ok, so you rate someone who hangs around at a weight over the person who easily defeated them at that weight, and who would do so 100/100 times. Hopkins has a long reign there, and RJJ a short one. But in that short time, RJJ proved conclusively that he was better than Hopkins at that weight. If the question was about who had the best legacy at middleweight, I might agree with you. But when I think 'greatest' then I can't rank a clearly inferior fighter over a clearly superior one. Jones didn't have a legacy at all at middleweight. It was an early stop before he moved on and built the legacy we all know. And when you rank the best fighters in the history of a division, you're talking their careers at that weight. Hopkins may have lost to Jones, but his middleweight career is vastly superior to what Jones did and as such, he is a greater middleweight than Jones. Not a better fighter, but indisputably a greater middleweight.

Ok, so you rate someone who hangs around at a weight over the person who easily defeated them at that weight, and who would do so 100/100 times. Hopkins has a long reign there, and RJJ a short one. But in that short time, RJJ proved conclusively that he was better than Hopkins at that weight. If the question was about who had the best legacy at middleweight, I might agree with you. But when I think 'greatest' then I can't rank a clearly inferior fighter over a clearly superior one. Greatest IS about legacy. Lol @ anyone seriously putting GGG in a top 5.

Roy barely did anything at middleweight. The large majority of his greatness came at 175, and his most notable wins at 168 and heavyweight. Middleweight was an early stop in his career. He shouldn't be anywhere near a top 5 ATG middleweight list. Ok, so you rate someone who hangs around at a weight over the person who easily defeated them at that weight, and who would do so 100/100 times. Hopkins has a long reign there, and RJJ a short one. But in that short time, RJJ proved conclusively that he was better than Hopkins at that weight. If the question was about who had the best legacy at middleweight, I might agree with you. But when I think 'greatest' then I can't rank a clearly inferior fighter over a clearly superior one.

What is it with people putting Hopkins on their list, but not RJJ? Hopkins had a long reign at middle, but he was never a patch on RJJ. Are we talking about greatness, or are we talking about who hung around the longest? Roy barely did anything at middleweight. The large majority of his greatness came at 175, and his most notable wins at 168 and heavyweight. Middleweight was an early stop in his career. He shouldn't be anywhere near a top 5 ATG middleweight list.

You're a knowledgeable man. The division is stacked. Others that I've seen placed top 10 are Zale, Burley, D Tiger, Williams, Griffith, Flowers, Fitzsimmons and I'm probably missing some names. H2H I think Steele and Cerdan at their best could beat the greats in my top 5. I could see both of them beating Robinson at least once in a trilogy. The Hagler who fought Duran loses to both. Cerdan would've beat Lamotta convincingly if it wasn't for the bad shoulder injury in the first round which rendered him one handed for 9 rounds.

1 Greb 2 Monzon 3 Robinson 4 Hagler 5 Hopkins Almost the same as mine.

1.Greb 2.Robinson 3.Monzon 4.Hagler 5.Ketchell Steele Lamotta Walker Hopkins Cerdan You're a knowledgeable man.

1) Greb 2) Monzon 3) Hagler 4) Robinson 5) Hopkins (All things considered)

1.Greb 2.Robinson 3.Monzon 4.Hagler 5.Ketchell Steele Lamotta Walker Hopkins Cerdan

1. Gennady 2 .Gennadyevich 3. Golovkin 4. Kazakh 5. Thunder 1 GGG 2 Triple Gee 3 Gee Gee Gee 4 Golovkin 5 Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin I agree with these lists.

I can understand your choice because you look young, but we're talking about all time. Does that discount cotto and kell brook then?

1-Greb 2-Gibbons 3-Robinson 4-Ketchel 5-Steele