Golovkin/Jacobs for the lineal title?

That's the thing Hopkins was the consensus champion. So there's no opinion in it, Canelo is the MW champ. Alright. You focus on the drop, I'll focus on the ocean.

When the 1 & 2 guys fight it creates a new lineage. The lineage for Canelo's Lineal started with Hopkins, nobody is going to argue that he wasn't the champ. Hopkins>Taylor>Pavlik>Martinez>Cotto>Canelo. Canelo is the MW champ. The titles Golovkin has don't mean ****, they've been stripped from the real champs and ended up in his hands. That's the thing - who's opinion decides 1 and 2? TBRB? You after a few beers? Opinions. People can't even agree on what makes a lineal champion - the whole definition SHOULD be in the name itself - a linear line to transition the "title", but even this became unsustainable and people made up their own guidelines. It's fine, totally fine, if your view of the lineal champ is something you back and believe in, however. If it gives you a sense of finality, go hard. The state of boxing the way it is - I don't think there is a consensus on anything. Especially with those trinkets floating around, that you alluded to.

You got it the wrong way around. The org titles are the paper straps, given out and stripped to put who they want on top. Lineal is the closest thing to a legit champ, you have to beat the champ to earn it. The problem is, the term "lineal champ" is a token of the opinion of whoever is talking about it. We're so far removed from the first wave of lineal champs, everything has been muddied because there are a gazillion different opinions on how to deal with retirements, changes in weight classes etc. Then it gets given to whomever someone feels deserves it - despite the fact that it's not actually anything. 50 years ago it mattered - today, it's just a talking point.

No one actually pays attention to Lineal and Ring titles these days, right? The former is barely a shadow of what it was, and holds zero place in the sport today, while the latter is just a limb on the Golden Boy marketing machine. Considering how often people complain about trinkets, and the devaluing and dilution of titles...I'm shocked there is anyone that cares about these irrelevant paper straps.

Lmao at super Canelo weight

The lineal title has been broken and reestablished so many times that it's up to interpretation at this point. Canelo gave it up when tucked his tail and ran back to Jmw to avoid Golovkin in my opinion. It's vacant until all the belts are won. The winner of Golovkin vs Jacobs is the man at MW, period. Canelo has shown he is willing to avoid any real challenge around MW, he is a non factor at MW right now.

I know. that is why the lineal title is garbage if you can never be stripped, what's the point in being the "man" if you aren't defending that title against other top fighters. most lineal defenders are also fanboys of fighters who duck so they just think it soudns cool saying my fav fighter is lineal! as if that means anything when they are ducking and dodging left and right. floyd was lineal champ while he ducked mar, and then cotto, and then when he was ducking pac for all those years but what did that prove?

Nope...do some of you idiots even know what lineal means. SMH

cotto was lineal when he fought Floyd?? https://cecilymichelle.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/wtf-face-girl-e1427384359130.jpg My bad got it mixed up. Floyd was lineal for 2 years though without fighting anyone at 154 from 2013-2015.

Ring does not=Lineal titleI know. that is why the lineal title is garbage if you can never be stripped, what's the point in being the "man" if you aren't defending that title against other top fighters.

He will fight either GGG (If he decides to take the career payday that's on the table) or BJS before the end of the year so that lineal MW designation isn't going anywhere. Its like when Floyd beat Cotto and didn't defend it for years. He was still the lineal champ. cotto was lineal when he fought Floyd?? https://cecilymichelle.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/wtf-face-girl-e1427384359130.jpg

Canelo is only the lineal heir to Hopkin's reign, but he's never fought or beaten a MW ranked fighter. People think of 'lineal' and they think there's some storied tradition of the title being passed down from the very first ever champion. That doesn't exist. Hopkins never defeated another lineal champion, he became the lineal champion by unifying the 4 belts. After Golovkin beats Jacobs in March and Saunders in June, he'll have done the exact same thing, and so no matter how badly that upset GGG haters, a new lineage will have been created (just like a new lineage was created when Hopkins unified).

The Ring title is not the "lineal" title. There are no official rules for the "lineal" title. Most people with more than 3 active brain cells know that when a fighter vacates his title and moves down to a lower division and wins a title, he is no longer recognized in his previous division.

Lineal can get watered down a lot in some cases. 160 is one of those cases for sure. It's been 4 years (and 5 straight fights) since a fighter fighting for that trinket was allowed to weigh in at 160. That was Martin Murray. Canelo's last (and next defence) take/took place outside of the MW division. I've seen a lot of posts about how Canelo will still be the lineal if they don't meet, even if GGG has all the belts. Like it's some great, and even hilarious feat. But, so what really? A guy can defend his lineal for the rest of his career fighting below par opposition and will still be 'lineal' as long as he doesn't lose. While the rest of the top guys in the division could be facing one another with no chance to claim lineal. Golovkin and Jacobs are the top 2 in the division. The winner is the main man at 160. He may not be 'the man who beat the man'. But he will seen as the top dog at 160. Stevenson is lineal at 175, but Ward and Kovalev are the main men. They've faced eachother and probably will again. Just as GGG and Jacobs are facing eachother. I mean, if Jacobs knocks out GGG and Canelo beats Chavez. Canelo may be lineal, but Jacobs would be the MW king no doubt. Edit : Slightly off the topic, so apologies.

Post on your real account JSFD Don't quote me for your petty little feud, with some other poster I care equally less about. Being an active member of this forum has become an exercise of weeding out thousands of terrible posts, in hopes of finding a couple of good ones. If anyone has a fully compiled ignore list that I could use to make this forum bearable again, let me know

I'd say yes. This fight should re-establish lineage I'll second that. Given that Conela was too small for mw, now all of a sudden we are not sure if he'll drop down in weight to make the division. Wtf?

I'd say yes. This fight should re-establish lineage

he will lose it if he continues to fight outside the weight class he has until the end of this year to defend it or he gets stripped. Ring does not=Lineal title

Whole point of the lineal is that it is passed down the line. Unless Canelo loses or retires, he's still gonna have it. Just because you don't like it (and believe me, I don't either) doesn't mean we should pick and choose what suits us. ^^^^^yep...

The top champ is the guy that beat the top champ, that beat the top champ......... and so on. That's lineal, that's Canelo. Having more titles doesn't make you the top champ, you can just be given them. You don't get given lineal. It would be better if you read the post I was replying to. He makes some good points.