Boxing produces yet another disgusting Display

As soon as I saw the Perez fight being scored a draw, I said 'Kovalev is not getting a decision on this card'. To me he clearly won the fight by dominating the first half of the fight (won 5 of the first 6 rounds) while Ward looked genuinely scared at times. In both fights, the foreign fighter was unfairly treated in favour of the American fighter on the American network. I have not spoken to a single person outside of this forum who believes Ward won. Even those on here who say they think Ward won knows that he didn't but the internet provides them with anonymity so they are able to say what they want. I bet in real life they are saying "yeah Kovalev won man". In terms of round scoring, unless someone is biased based on nationality or race can not give Ward more than one possible round during the first 6. I had it 5-1. That means Kovalev was up 5 points. Ward would have to unanimously win the next 6 rounds to just start drawing the fight. So that means that the judges somehow found a way to give Ward 2 rounds in the first 6 and every damn round that followed lol Let that sink in. I I told everyone this would happen, but people were disrespectful and labelled me a troll. I said kov would drop him early and people would be shocked at how bad ward would look, and It would go the distance. I I said don't put any money on it after I saw the four American officials. Boxing is predictably corrupt I can't say you didn't lol You were pretty much spot on. I kept thinking you were being too much of a Kovalev fan rather than seeing boxing in its entirety but Ward, at times in the first 6, heck, even 8 rounds looked genuinely scared for his life. Didn't make the judges less shitty and obviously corrupt as hell. People acting like the judges did a god job smh :lame:

Gareth Davies from The Telegraph, who probably do the best reporting on boxing here in the UK, had rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8 and 10 for Kovalev. That's 7 rounds, at least for of which are clear (rounds 1, 2, 3 and 6). The 5 remaining rounds Ward won, had only one clear imo and that's the last one. Round 11 was good but I gave it to Ward. The other 3 rounds could have gone either way or even. Kovalev won and in the eyes of most who know the sport, he won clearly. I for one would not like a rematch unless it takes place with all 3 judges being non-American, the ref being non-American and strict controls and watch over what the judges are up to in fight week and where they are going/who they are meeting. They should never had 3 U.S judges. But Kovalev didn't win that fight, and to say he won it clearly is absolutely ridiculous. Too many people are swayed by aggression from an exciting fighter who's a huge puncher. His style is eye catching. But this is boxing. If you look at it in it's purest form, Andre clearly won. Paulie M was right in what he said. You can't just give a guy a round based on aggression alone. He also has to be landing the more effective shots. That's not what happened. Andre had him pouring forward, but he was missing and then getting countered. In one of the rounds Kovalev threw 10 shots in succession but only landed 1. Andre frustrated him, and he landed body shots and little subtle shots before spinning away. All the more effective shots in the second half of the fight came from Sergey. People can't appreciate what they're watching. To many people, Andre is boring and negative. But again, looking at boxing in it's purest form, there was only one winner. I suggest you watch the fight again without being influenced by anything.

Let's be just be honest here, we see these kind of decisions/shady actions week in, week out. Its nothing new. I had the fight pretty close, with Kovalev ahead by a couple. Ward had the momentum down the stretch, and clawed back some rounds. Still, my gripe was the officiating. The damn holding is a staple of Ward's career; yet he's NEVER called out for it! :pat: That's because he wasn't the one holding. Derpdeederp. Watch the fight mate. Actually watch what's happening in the clinch rather than just going with your preconceived notion that it has to be Ward holding if there is a clinch.

From Mayweather v Pacquiao last year, which was a sparring session between two multi-millionaires to the supposed "fight for the hardcore" we had last night, boxing has turned into a joke. This has probably been the worst 18 month period in my life time for the sport, at a time when the heavyweight champion has spent more time on coke then in the ring and there hasn't been a single stand out ppv. Last night was the lowest of the low. First off, there was the incomprehensible robbery of Hooker v Perez and then came Ward v Kovalev. This is a title fight for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP yet every important official involved was an American? This would be ok if both fighters were non-American but the challenger, the darling of the promotion was ... that's right American. That stinks right off the bat. This is not only bad for Kovalev, who in the eyes of most will still be champion but it is yet another low brow advertisement for a sport which is suffering and on life support in it's spiritual home of the USA. I mean, last night wasn't even that close. Main Events was the promoter for this event...Their fighter is Kov, not Ward. So the 'darling' of the promotion was actually Kov, as the promoter promotes Kov and not Ward.

I haven't seen this fight yet. I'll watch it for free when they show it again next weekend. From what I am reading it sounds like the majority of posters think Kovalev was robbed. If I agree he was robbed after watching the fight I will leave Kovalev at number 2 pound for pound where he was going into the fight. I had Ward at 9th pound for pound so I'll raise him up to 7th for putting up a good fight. GGG will remain number 1 pound for pound and most certainly won't be replaced by Ward. One thing that makes me think Kovalev should have won is so few Ward fans are cheering about the win and how he schooled Kovalev. Even Tyrone Biggums is missing.

115-112 for Kovalev to 114-113 for Ward was the range of reasonable scores. I think the outrage has to do with Ward had less margin for error and all 3 scores leaned towards his direction. Maybe a bias? possibly. But bad scorecards? Not at all. They were reasonable. :lol1: They were terrible scorecards. No matter how you twist and turn things, there's no way Ward gets 7 rounds. Unless something's 'cooking'.

Let's be just be honest here, we see these kind of decisions/shady actions week in, week out. Its nothing new. I had the fight pretty close, with Kovalev ahead by a couple. Ward had the momentum down the stretch, and clawed back some rounds. Still, my gripe was the officiating. The damn holding is a staple of Ward's career; yet he's NEVER called out for it!

So you think that was a fair scorecard? 115-112 for Kovalev to 114-113 for Ward was the range of reasonable scores. I think the outrage has to do with Ward had less margin for error and all 3 scores leaned towards his direction. Maybe a bias? possibly. But bad scorecards? Not at all. They were reasonable.

A controversial decision, yes, but the fight its self was great.

last night was a great night for boxing, one that will go down in history. i can see someone having kovalev winning for sure, but all this moaning about how its a fix, disgusting, horrible for boxing etc is just childish. anyone can see this was a close fight, anyone who knows boxing understands that people not only look at things differently but look for different things. people who score fights for a living generally know how to score fights, most so called fans dont. defense scores points, as does ring generalship and bodyshots which sometimes it takes a trained eye to see when they land. just like how clean and damaging any blow truly is. if nothing else people should be able to be man enough to agree to disagree. i pity the people who couldnt enjoy that great, great night of boxing.I give the round to the boxer who lands the most and the best punches, period. I give no points for defense because defense has already been rewarded by preventing the other boxer from landing punches. I give no points for ring generalship either because that has already been rewarded by putting the boxer in position to land punches. There is no other sport in the world that gives points for defense. In tennis and volleyball no points are given for defense. In basketball you must make baskets. In soccer you must score goals. In football you must score touchdowns or make field goals.In every other sport in the world you must score to get points. Boxing is no different. You have to land punches to win rounds. Willie Pep lost that round in which he threw no punches if his opponent hit him even once.

I saw no corruption but I understand your frustration. So you think that was a fair scorecard?

Gareth Davies from The Telegraph, who probably do the best reporting on boxing here in the UK, had rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8 and 10 for Kovalev. That's 7 rounds, at least for of which are clear (rounds 1, 2, 3 and 6). The 5 remaining rounds Ward won, had only one clear imo and that's the last one. Round 11 was good but I gave it to Ward. The other 3 rounds could have gone either way or even. Kovalev won and in the eyes of most who know the sport, he won clearly. I for one would not like a rematch unless it takes place with all 3 judges being non-American, the ref being non-American and strict controls and watch over what the judges are up to in fight week and where they are going/who they are meeting. Id agree with that scoring. There was (IMO) no way that Ward won the last 6 rounds. It was a close fight, but Ward was very lucky to get the UD. Close rounds going the the home fighter, not the Champion...Ward could have stayed at Oakland and saved himself the flight ticket.

Add to that lederman was very positive about the judges when discussing them before the scores were announced. And rightfully so. They turned in great scorecards. Didn't make the judges less shitty and obviously corrupt as hell. I saw no corruption but I understand your frustration.

Main Events was the lead promoter. You can object to judge selection in Nevada. That's no excuse. I've read nothing about preflight objections to the selection of judges from either side. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/07/sports/la-sp-sn-boxing-judges-marquez-bradley-20131007 Didn't make the judges less shitty and obviously corrupt as hell.

Main Events was the lead promoter. You can object to judge selection in Nevada. That's no excuse. I've read nothing about preflight objections to the selection of judges from either side. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/07/sports/la-sp-sn-boxing-judges-marquez-bradley-20131007 Add to that lederman was very positive about the judges when discussing them before the scores were announced.

I don't know if it would have made a difference, but an American ref and three American judges is ridiculous in a fight like this one. For the sake of the sport's own legitimacy you shouldn't have shi*t like that, which inevitably fuels accusations of a fix. Main Events was the lead promoter. You can object to judge selection in Nevada. That's no excuse. I've read nothing about preflight objections to the selection of judges from either side. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/07/sports/la-sp-sn-boxing-judges-marquez-bradley-20131007

I I told everyone this would happen, but people were disrespectful and labelled me a troll. I said kov would drop him early and people would be shocked at how bad ward would look, and It would go the distance. I I said don't put any money on it after I saw the four American officials. Boxing is predictably corruptfuk those people. you were right you called it dude.three american judges and an american ref it was obvious.

last night was a great night for boxing, one that will go down in history. i can see someone having kovalev winning for sure, but all this moaning about how its a fix, disgusting, horrible for boxing etc is just childish. anyone can see this was a close fight, anyone who knows boxing understands that people not only look at things differently but look for different things. people who score fights for a living generally know how to score fights, most so called fans dont. defense scores points, as does ring generalship and bodyshots which sometimes it takes a trained eye to see when they land. just like how clean and damaging any blow truly is. if nothing else people should be able to be man enough to agree to disagree. i pity the people who couldnt enjoy that great, great night of boxing. Defense scores points? Um, yeah, when it actually works. Defense doesn't score points when you're surviving, and getting outpunched, and then randomly land a couple body shots. Wtf are you talking about like Ward put on some masterclass defensive performance? Are you serious right now? Ward didn't do **** with his defense, he landed a few body shots that slowed Kovalev down and Kovalev STILL landed not only harder shots, but more. He was out jabbing Ward and snapping his headback and landing just as many body shots at Ward. You've gotta be kidding :lol1:

Just saw that of the eighteen scores handed in for the second half of the fight, only ONE was given to Kovalev. So only one judge of the three saw a single round for Kovalev from rounds 7-12. That is absolute bollocks. How could you have such unanimity in such close rounds. Crazy.

As soon as I saw the Perez fight being scored a draw, I said 'Kovalev is not getting a decision on this card'. To me he clearly won the fight by dominating the first half of the fight (won 5 of the first 6 rounds) while Ward looked genuinely scared at times. In both fights, the foreign fighter was unfairly treated in favour of the American fighter on the American network.