To be remembered as a "boxing great", do you have to share the ring with big names?

I can't think of one atg fighter who didn't share the ring with at least 1 other great fighter. Jack Dempsey had Tunney Marciano had Charles It goes to show that the best fought the best in those days. Up until now.

Golovkin, were he to retire today, would be remembered with no more acclaim than Sven Otke. and golovkin still is playing the boxing politics game hard not doing all that he can to even get good fights He clearly doesn't care about legacy and I believe his legacy will suffer if he doesn't change. Most of the greats were considered that because they fought other greats from their era. That's the only way we can know they are truly great. Only other alternative is to fight nothing but the toughest matchups at the time. Probably the closest to that is Holyfield off the top of my head (excluding the past prime part of his career in the 2000's). He was called the real deal for a reason but he fought greats too which tends to happen when fighting all tough matchups.

GGG is great, you can't force other greats to face him. Why should we consider him not that great just because a few other great were cowards and didn't want to face him? If you consider also his amateur career, you see that he is for real. Amateur career -> 10/10. Several world titles and silver medal. Regarding your question. If Monzon is remembered, why can't GGG? he has a similar career. You're missing the greater point though. We can't choose how he'll be remembered. 30 years from now, will kids who are boxing fans know who he was? That's the question. I STILL haven't said yes or no so there's no need to act as if I'm taking "sides". If I thought I had the answer, I wouldn't ask the question. Your answer seems to be; Yes. So, fair enough.

Foolish of me to expect you to be able to see that I was saying ggg has the talent to be considered a boxing great. You've let your fanaticism blind you again, man. It was a basic question that only hardcore ggg fans seem to have a hard time understanding. No one he's faced so far is going to go down as a historical great. I'm asking, will that hurt Golovkin's ability to be remembered in 30, 40, 50 years from now? GGG is great, you can't force other greats to face him. Why should we consider him not that great just because a few other great were cowards and didn't want to face him? If you consider also his amateur career, you see that he is for real. Amateur career -> 10/10. Several world titles and silver medal. Regarding your question. If Monzon is remembered, why can't GGG? he has a similar career.

"To be remembered as a "boxing great", do you have to share the ring with big names?": Yes. Not many fighters goes down in history as greats without facing other big names, the only one out of the top of my mind, was Ricardo Lopez, but it wasn't his fault that his division was empty and he cleaned with the division. I've seen Lopez brought up several times in this thread and he rings true as a good example because, although I know the name and the face, I can't say I know anything else about him, anyone he's faced, and don't think I've ever seen him fight. Plugging that into the context of my bigger question, if I ever have kids, will they know who GGG was? This is how it relates to me on a personal level; When I discover classic boxers, it's because I'm watching videos of a famous boxer and seeing the guys he fought. Then, I go watch those opponents in other fights. When I was a kid, I'd look up records of the greats and then look up the people they fought. If there's more than a single degree of separation between you and at least a couple legends, do you slip though the cracks in the collective memory of boxing?

when you remove the bull**** its just another excuse for you to say 'ggg resume sucks'. can fool some people on here but cant fool me.. Once again, you can't articulate your claim. I haven't said a single negative thing about Golovkin in this thread (only positives). Saying his resume contains no names who will go down as being memorable is completely reasonable to everyone who doesn't have a ggg phallus in their mouths. Another anti-ggg post by Redd Fox. When you're so good that you make people literally move weight classes away from you (Canelo moving down to 154) and fighters vacating belts in order to avoid you, and you KO everyone that dares to be inside of a ring with you, and belong to the top5 P4P list for many years, and are one of the few legit CHAMPIONS and not belt holder for many years, then yes you're a great. Even if not many great A-level fighters had the balls to face you. Foolish of me to expect you to be able to see that I was saying ggg has the talent to be considered a boxing great. You've let your fanaticism blind you again, man. It was a basic question that only hardcore ggg fans seem to have a hard time understanding. No one he's faced so far is going to go down as a historical great. I'm asking, will that hurt Golovkin's ability to be remembered in 30, 40, 50 years from now?

tyson is remebered as an all-time great for sharing the ring with Evander and Lennox. canelo is seen as being great for sharing the ring with Floyd. lomachenko is seen as being a star for sharing the ring with Salido. salka is seen as being ATG for sharing the ring with DSG.

Another anti-ggg post by Redd Fox. When you're so good that you make people literally move weight classes away from you (Canelo moving down to 154) and fighters vacating belts in order to avoid you, and you KO everyone that dares to be inside of a ring with you, and belong to the top5 P4P list for many years, and are one of the few legit CHAMPIONS and not belt holder for many years, then yes you're a great. Even if not many great A-level fighters had the balls to face you.

So, no one in a Golovkin type situation (dominates everyone, all of whom are forgettable) has gone down as a memorable fighter? Butterbean. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

You wouldn't become great because if they were just mid ranked fighters you were facing you wouldn't attract the attention of the millions hoping to see fight of the century.....great fighters become great fighters when they face and defeat other top fighters not some journeyman.... I don't class triple ggg as an all time great yet and will not bestow him that title till he is out the game and his resume can be examined....but don't get me wrong I think he could very well end up being one....and you shouldn't punish the guy for other top fighters of his weight not wanting to set foot in the ring with him...let me ask you a question ? Would sugar ray Leonard be considered and all time great if he never beat Duran,hearns,Benitez and Hagler ? Of course not m8 ...I do think there is a tiny bit of trolling with this thread fella lol...naughty naughty

when you remove the bull**** its just another excuse for you to say 'ggg resume sucks'. can fool some people on here but cant fool me.. Maybe its cuse his resume sucks? its a Fact bro as good fighter he is,his resume is dog****.

Most definitely.

Joe Louis, widely considered to be one of the greatest ever lived, hardly faced a lot of ATG's(or any for that matter, except for two that he lost to near the end of his career). HOF'ers are a different matter.

Of course...

Unfortunately, yeah. There's a reason marketing works. History remembers who you beat, not how old they were and the circumstances. That's why we have these boards.. so we can argue with knowledge and facts. these boards are to call people bums and duckers. facts? lmao no. if that were the case people would see that pac beat floyd by landing more punches, better quality punches, better defense, etc...we have the videos and proof, but proof doesn't matter when you really want something your way. the videos were edited! they missed all of floyd's punches that didn't happen! floyd was in control somehow even though he was outlanded. makes no sense but they say it anyway.

Absolutely! Resume is and will always been one of the requirements for greatness and it determine how high people will rate you ALL TIME. Rules are not going to change for today's fighters The Bar has been set HIGH in this sport by many All Time Greats and boxing Historians and Diehards are NOT going to lower that bar so that your favorite fighter can be mentioned among the GREATS that is not going to happen sorry Admit it, Oscar De La Hoya if he didn't fight Mayweather and Pacquiao, I don't think they become the Superstars that they became! Oscar had the following, the fans and all that stuff long before fighting them. Say what you want about Oscar but he allowed the opportunity for the torch to be taken from him by at least stepping in with them even though he was on the decline by then and vs Pacquiao he was already done but regardless he was still a huge draw during his decline but Oscar seen the bigger picture especially while he was transitioning to being a full time promoter Mayweather and Pacquiao didn't haven't done that, 1 guy Protected his 0 while the other guy Promoter protects his fighters Value so he could continue to make money off of him. So Post Mayweather and Pacquiao ERA is like boxing trying to start completely OVER from the ground up that is how forgettable their ERA is. It did NOTHING positive for the sport of boxing...NOTHING!

i see what you are trying to do here... Please do explain then. I'd love to hear this from an intellectual giant such as yourself.

Unfortunately, yeah. There's a reason marketing works. History remembers who you beat, not how old they were and the circumstances. That's why we have these boards.. so we can argue with knowledge and facts.

I forgot that Canelo fought Mayweather who is a great fighter. I guess I didn't count it because Canelo lost by a wide margin.

I consider Ward Kovalev and GGG all great fighters and none of them has yet faced a fighter I would call great. Kovalev beat Hopkins but Hopkins was too old to still be considered great. When Ward fights Kovalev both of them will have faced a great fighter and the winner will have defeated a great fighter barring a draw.If Canelo and GGG ever fight then both of them will have fought their first great fighter. I think Cotto was a very good fighter when Canelo beat him but he was a bit short of being a great fighter at that time.