Boxing's obsession with the 0

What I was asking in the previous post was who did you wanna see Floyd fight at that time Manny. That was the only fight that mattered. In the absence of that, those were acceptable because they were other "top" fighters in the division.

Here are the ring divisional rankings at the end of 2011 and 2013, after both fights. It's not optimal, but you can cross reference the fighters in the list with their records in boxrec at the time, and determine who would've acceptable to you in both years. What I was asking in the previous post was who did you wanna see Floyd fight at that time

I think you're cherry picking your facts like the guy in your avatar cherry picks the opponents and the right timing of fighting opponents. I'm no fan of McGregor, but he could have pulled out once his original opponent fell out, but he chose to move up 25 pounds, from 145 to 170. In boxing weight class terms, that's moving up from Welterweight to a catchweight in the Light-heavyweight division. So he should have picked an elite 170 pound opponent to boost? I'm not cherry picking facts. McGregor is a natural lightweight, 155 pounds, who drains himself down to 145 pounds. That would be like Canelo fighting at welterweight in boxing and then not cutting weight in his next fight and walking into the weigh in at 170 pounds (his walking round weight) and getting credit for "jumping up" several weight divisions. McGregor is a big who cuts weight to fight smaller guys and he chose not to cut weight in his last fight because his opponent Diaz, also a lightweight, wasn't in camp. Diaz himself and many other commentators have called the idea of McGregor jumping up in weight bullsh*t and promotion to make McGregor seem like he did something great by getting hs ass whooped the first time.

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But I wanna know what fighters at the time would've been good fights for Floyd, or are you saying Ortiz and Guerrero were the best picks aside from Pac. Here are the ring divisional rankings at the end of 2011 and 2013, after both fights. It's not optimal, but you can cross reference the fighters in the list with their records in boxrec at the time, and determine who would've acceptable to you in both years.

Pac ran away from extra drug testing. Floyd would've been crucified for fighting Khan at any point in time until they ran out of bogey men. He was criticised for considering Khan when the Maidana/Khan poll went up, so why would anyone have been ok with the fight beforehand. You're fighting a losing battle kid. Manny was always around, so no, they weren't. That fight didn't happen when it should've, but let's not try and rewrite history. Ortiz (was the champ) and Guerrero (had the interim title and was his mandatory) were still legit fights because they were top welters at the time. But I wanna know what fighters at the time would've been good fights for Floyd, or are you saying Ortiz and Guerrero were the best picks aside from Pac.

fuck it, you do know more but having been there when he fought those guys, do you think they were the best in the division? Manny was always around, so no, they weren't. That fight didn't happen when it should've, but let's not try and rewrite history. Ortiz (was the champ) and Guerrero (had the interim title and was his mandatory) were still legit fights because they were top welters at the time.

Pac ran away from extra drug testing. Floyd would've been crucified for fighting Khan at any point in time until they ran out of bogey men. He was criticised for considering Khan when the Maidana/Khan poll went up, so why would anyone have been ok with the fight beforehand. You're fighting a losing battle kid. fuck it, you do know more but having been there when he fought those guys, do you think they were the best in the division?

One problem is you have boxings biggest star calling himself a world champion after beating a guy whos not the best at 154. Theres no narrative I dont even watch ufc but i know that mcgregor is the actual champ in 2 weight classes right now. No casual has a clue whos the champ at welterweight for example. Its hurting the sport and its gonna continue until ratings really dip even more which will force change. At the moment, enough casuals eat up the BS thats fed to them that guys like anthony joshua are actual world champs. His belt is the epitome of a paper belt yet casuals gobble it up. Also , the matchmaking is poor. The promotion is poor. 24 7 and the delahoya fight made floyd popular. Created an association with people to floyds lifestyle. Nowadays you have pbc fighters turn up in suits and get up on the podium in press conferences and repeat the same politically correct jargon on how well their camp is going and how they would like to thank al haymon . Of course casuals are gonna get turned off . Haymon hit me up on my inbox ill do the matchmaking for free

***** Mayweather could've fought Pac at anytime he knows it and he admitted it. Khan could've moved up too. Pac ran away from extra drug testing. Floyd would've been crucified for fighting Khan at any point in time until they ran out of bogey men. He was criticised for considering Khan when the Maidana/Khan poll went up, so why would anyone have been ok with the fight beforehand. You're fighting a losing battle kid.

The Ortiz fight was legit when it occurred. No amount of revisionist history will change that. It's just a shame you weren't following the sport at the time. We all know what went on with the Pacquiao situation. I'm not going to tread over old ground. You then brought up Khan. Can you kindly tell me what weight division Khan was fighting in around September 2011? I told you to do some research before you embarrass yourself again, but you didn't heed my warning. Boxrec is a free resource. Use it when you don't know what you're talking about. ***** Mayweather could've fought Pac at anytime he knows it and he admitted it. Khan could've moved up too.

Are you justifying the Ortiz fight with that crap cause I'm pretty sure Pac and Amir Khan weren't busy either. The Ortiz fight was legit when it occurred. No amount of revisionist history will change that. It's just a shame you weren't following the sport at the time. We all know what went on with the Pacquiao situation. I'm not going to tread over old ground. You then brought up Khan. Can you kindly tell me what weight division Khan was fighting in around September 2011? I told you to do some research before you embarrass yourself again, but you didn't heed my warning. Boxrec is a free resource. Use it when you don't know what you're talking about.

He could've fought Thurman, but guess what? He didn't. He was retiring and, he'd just embarrassed his "rival". I'm not going to cry over it. Now tell me what Thurman had done in the division that was better than what Ortiz and Guerrero had done when Floyd fought them. You're ****ting on those fights, right? He should've fought Bradley, Brook or Porter in 2011 instead of Ortiz? Bradley was at 140, Porter and Brook had literally done fuck all. Why would he have fought them then? Just so you can shit on them like you are with a fight that was better? In 2013, Bradley was the only one that had done anything worth a damn; robbery over Manny, and struggles with Prov. Yeah, you'd have been fine with that one. Porter was nobody, Brook was struggling with Carson Jones. Please explain how those would've been better than Guerrero. It's probably not your fault. You probably just started following the sport, and have no background on what things were like just a few years ago. It would help to do some research before embarrassing yourself like this again. Are you justifying the Ortiz fight with that crap cause I'm pretty sure Pac and Amir Khan weren't busy either.

He could've fought Thurman instead of Berto. But when he fought Ortiz or Guerrero those guys could've been replaced with Bradley or Brook, even Porter. Khan was the champ at light-welter but he could've easily moved up before he got KO'd. He went for the easier fights. He could've fought Thurman, but guess what? He didn't. He was retiring and, he'd just embarrassed his "rival". I'm not going to cry over it. Now tell me what Thurman had done in the division that was better than what Ortiz and Guerrero had done when Floyd fought them. You're ****ting on those fights, right? He should've fought Bradley, Brook or Porter in 2011 instead of Ortiz? Bradley was at 140, Porter and Brook had literally done fuck all. Why would he have fought them then? Just so you can shit on them like you are with a fight that was better? In 2013, Bradley was the only one that had done anything worth a damn; robbery over Manny, and struggles with Prov. Yeah, you'd have been fine with that one. Porter was nobody, Brook was struggling with Carson Jones. Please explain how those would've been better than Guerrero. It's probably not your fault. You probably just started following the sport, and have no background on what things were like just a few years ago. It would help to do some research before embarrassing yourself like this again.

Impressive how a fighter with no heart has had a greater career than Pretty Boy then...

Boxing fans overreact and pretend they're the ones in the ring. Any thread to 'them' must be put down and discredited.

WOW!...What a murderer's row. Just reading those names was mortifying. What does beating them prove.???????????????????????????????????? You're admitting GGG is shi.t by the low level expectations you have of him. :lol1: You're one of the nut huggers that believes Ward is the only fighter on Earth that means anything to a resume. The guy beat the best from 2012, those days are gone. And so is his credibility. When GGG went to Peter Quillin, Sergio Martinez, Chavez Jr, Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez and they all said no to the fight, that was the low level expectation we have of him. That he would want to fight those guys shows that he never really wanted big fights right. Or maybe he purposefully sabotaged negotiations to avoid the possibility of losing right. Work on your theories son.

You just described K2's formula. Mayweather has challenged himself far more than GGG has.:bottle: Who should GGG fight because I don't see anyone that would impress you. A hater is a hater. When GGG couldn't get Martinez to fight him, I guess that was part of the "formula" right. He wanted the lineal champ but that guy said no and now GGG's at fault for that.

Berto was as shitty a fight as there could've been. I'll give you that, but are you going to act like Ortiz and Guerrero weren't legit fights at the time? What had Khan or Thurman done in the division at the time that was better? That's true. At the time Ortiz was WBC Champion, coming off a win beating an undefeated hyped Berto. You can't really say that is a bad opponent at the time of signing the fight. It's easy to look back with hindsight and say certain fights were bad, but you have to judge a fight on the time the fight was signed.

I say it's Mayweather's fault because the great competition under Haymon's umbrella of fighters all follow the Mayweather formula. They look to fight bums and then get to the real competition later. When you talk about UFC fooling their audience you have to remember that you are a casual UFC fan and a hardcore boxing fan. The way you look at Diaz/McGregor and criticize is like some casual telling me boxing is boring because they watched May-Pac and didn't like it. If you watched the UFC often you would know that they had a great fight just two weeks ago. And you guys bringing up CM Punk all the time is such a cop out for the great competitive fights the UFC always puts up. Just because thats the fight you saw doesn't mean it's how the UFC is. In boxing 60% of fights are considered mismatched, in the UFC it's probably 10%. It's been like that before Mayweather in a business with a bunch of independents all after their best interest a fighter getting a L pushes that fighter back 2 spots. You sound like a idiot blaming Maywesther It's not like UFC with 1 plantation owner paying meager wages and giving the fighter no options only looking out for the companies interest. Both ways have their positives and drawbacks Your right I don't follow UFC I wouldn't even consider myself a casual now it's become less of a sport it releys on gimmicks to draw people in Your wrong Diaz /Mcgregor isn't the same as May/Pac. May /Pac are the best of their generation, People complaining come across as some b.itch a.ss f.agot and cried that IT wasn't exciting then you obviously don't care about the best fighting the best. Sometimes in sport it's the results that count it's not always going to be thrilling Connor hasn't proved he's his eras best. Diaz is a journeyman you got caught up in the hype that fight was exciting but worth nothing. It's the boxing equivalent of Keith Thurman fighting Gabe Rosado How many best vs the best fights (top 5s ) have UFC done this summer because all I see is gimmicks and sideshows to sell their product using women, Faded names and WWE WRESTLERS . Boxings had Porter /Thurman , Crawford/Pistol, Santa Cruz / Frampton , Chocolatito /Caudras legit top guys fighting each other