How do you rate Canelo?

He's a C fighter. He's not quite good enough to be a B level fighter, as that's the category where I put fighters like Golovkin and Kovalev. A level fighters are guys like Mayweather, Ali, Ward and Crawford. I'm not even a Canelo fan, not even in the slightest, but sir, you are a motherf**king gotdamn retard of epic and biblical proportions if you think Canelo Alvarez is a damn C fighter. http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2013/10/Mega-Facepalm.jpg

His resume is ****!!! It's a paper resume completely, it would be like me having jobs on my resume but all of them being with family and were given to me. He beat completely washed up fighters and or won VERY close decisions. I still think he's a good fighter I just don't think he has that great of a resume. When he fought live dogs like Lara and Trout he struggled.

I would put Canelo as A- to B+. I can never put him in the same level as a pacquiao or Mayweather in this era because he has never dominated a fight where he wasn't heavily favored. He looks amazing against guys he is supposed to beat like Khan, Kirkland, Angulo etc., but against the top guys he never shows that he is so much better than them. He doesn't separate his self from other top fighters. Pac, when he was in fights where the public thought he was going to lose or it was 50/50. Pac would come out and demolish or dominate these top fighters (Barrera, Cotto, Hatton, Bradley). Pac would separate himself and show that he is a level above. Same with Mayweather. Canelo hasn't shown me that.

Can't rate him highly after dropping his belt and all his lies and bullshit and avoiding GGG. Best wins are either very controversial or against smaller/over the hill fighters. Trout: Controversial http://compuboxonline.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/alvarez-trout.jpg Lara: Controversial http://desdeelring.com/FotosNoticias/Canelo/TotalGolpes2.png Mayweather: Canelo got schooled Cotto: Old, small Kirkland: Shot, out of shape Angulo: Shot, out of shape Mosley: Old, small I wonder really where Canelo's supposed good resume is? What did I miss? Which decent fighters in their prime did Canelo clearly beat, who were not totally undersized?

vargas was done by the time he fought shane, and the wright fight just wasn't an "exposure." i'd be genuinely surprised if you've seen that fight by the way you talk about it. vargas fought legitimately great fighters with great power when he was a very young man, and he was never the same. felix trinidad is one of the hardest punchers ever. to give you some perspective of just how young and used up vargas is / was, he's not even 40 yet. really. he's in his 30's. if you don't see his skills it is on you. he could have been a heck of a fighter if he didn't run into felix trinidad when he was in his early 20's. canelo could easily have a loss to lara. wright > lara. just trust if you don't get it :lol1:. some people thought he lost to trout, but i'm not one of them. again, if you don't think vargas walks through the aging cottos and the james kirklands of the world it is on you! he was a very polished boxer - puncher with one of the great trainers of his era. OK you made some good points. Good post

I think he just barely makes it into the elite class and he is getting better with every fight. He is in the top 10 pound for pound best fighters in the world in my book and that makes him elite. Avoiding the GGG fight doesn't make him any less of a fighter. Martinez, Cotto, Jacobs, Saunders, Kid Chocolate and Eubank all avoided GGG too.

vargas was done by the time he fought shane, and the wright fight just wasn't an "exposure." i'd be genuinely surprised if you've seen that fight by the way you talk about it. vargas fought legitimately great fighters with great power when he was a very young man, and he was never the same. felix trinidad is one of the hardest punchers ever. to give you some perspective of just how young and used up vargas is / was, he's not even 40 yet. really. he's in his 30's. if you don't see his skills it is on you. he could have been a heck of a fighter if he didn't run into felix trinidad when he was in his early 20's. canelo could easily have a loss to lara. wright > lara. just trust if you don't get it :lol1:. some people thought he lost to trout, but i'm not one of them. again, if you don't think vargas walks through the aging cottos and the james kirklands of the world it is on you! he was a very polished boxer - puncher with one of the great trainers of his era. Wow, cannot believe Vargas is still in his 30's. Seems so long ago that he was a top level fighter. He was never the same after that brutal Trinidad war. One of the ever fights I've ever seen by the way. He went from having an iron chin to get knocked over with ease after the Trinidad KO. And he took some serious bombs in that fight before finally getting finished.

He has been very carefully matched. Every time he stepped up in competition, the decisions got tightter and tighter. B to B+

A-... Like it or not he's got skills & a resume to back it up.. Thing is, Golovkin could be A/A+ level talent which would be evident if they fought. High than A- I doubt it.. Prime Floyd, Manny, Bradley, & Cotto would school him, and they're all 147lbers

I think 22 year old Vargas and prime Tito would beat Canelo. I think Ike Quartey would have beat Canelo as well. To answer the poll, Canelo is a solid B. He's overrated by some fans, but he's still a very good fighter. Tito would **** Canelo up.

vargas was done by the time he fought shane, and the wright fight just wasn't an "exposure." i'd be genuinely surprised if you've seen that fight by the way you talk about it. vargas fought legitimately great fighters with great power when he was a very young man, and he was never the same. felix trinidad is one of the hardest punchers ever. to give you some perspective of just how young and used up vargas is / was, he's not even 40 yet. really. he's in his 30's. if you don't see his skills it is on you. he could have been a heck of a fighter if he didn't run into felix trinidad when he was in his early 20's. canelo could easily have a loss to lara. wright > lara. just trust if you don't get it :lol1:. some people thought he lost to trout, but i'm not one of them. again, if you don't think vargas walks through the aging cottos and the james kirklands of the world it is on you! he was a very polished boxer - puncher with one of the great trainers of his era. I think 22 year old Vargas and prime Tito would beat Canelo. I think Ike Quartey would have beat Canelo as well. To answer the poll, Canelo is a solid B. He's overrated by some fans, but he's still a very good fighter.

Whitaker was one dimensional???? That's what your boy Newengland said. He despises anyone that isn't white

B+. Lara, Floyd and Trout performances shows his limitations. He won't fight or mentions the Charlo bros or Jrock. He ran away from triple G. He has skills, good upper body movements and nice fast combos. He is not a monster puncher like some think and his legs are slow

A- to me in that he's not someone I'd unreservedly bet on no matter the opponent. To call him a B fighter though is pretty insulting. Canelo's clearly very good, however his actions might paint him.

Give him a Strong B!

When ggg beats him he will be classed as a bum alongside lemiuex and Murray. Hres a b right now. He don't win fights convincing enough and that's not cos his opponents are so good like his fanbs have you believe

I've seen very good improvement from Mayweather to Cotto! His upper body moves and head moves along with counter punching off those moves is quite good! He still makes those moves a bit to big and sweeping but when you only fight twice a year your not going to be able to gauge your opponents within a 3 to 4 round time frame. You can practice in the gym but that type of technique only gets better off a fight with a quality opponent. I like him very much compared to other top grade guys who are stuck in the "amateur" style of boxing. Saul is a talented boxer who's development is slowed by today's promo and managements not willing to "expose" their "products" more than once or twice a year. He is just starting his education in the past 3 years and the next 3 will tell where he settles in boxing history. I know not having to make 154 will be a blessing for him. Ray

As a boxer I would say B+, he moves to A- when he learns how to cut-off the ring & learns to control his ring position..

B+ .........

You think Canelo and Cotto can beat GGG? I would have had them higher but if GGG is an A-/B+ himself that wouldn't make any sense. Bradley was dominated by an A fighter 3x already so I think there should be a complete grade between Pac and Bradley. TBH I really dont like Canelo but he does have skill. I was basing thing more on what TS said, how do you rate their skill. I believe all 3 have shown skill. I wouldnt say either are 1 trick ponies and have fought a variety of styles, grades of opponents and have been competitive. I guess this is in the eye of the beholder but all 3 are multi weight champs with good/great resumes win or lose.