If only boxing was capable of putting on an event like that

Come on dude . . . What fight atmosphere was better ?

thing is some of you have been so brainwashed by boxing. wilder arreola was a pretty good example, i moaned about it you all laughed at me when i said why cant he fight someone good as a replacment, as if the thought of him taking a risky opponent was absolutely crazy thinking, because you all are brainwashed into thinking you need two years to 'marinate a fight' aka get two fighters beating up bums in a 'who can beat the bum better' style fights before finally meeting. When dos anjos couldnt fight, mcgregor went up in weight and fought diaz in the first fight, not someone useless. for example who? there really wasnt anyone available this time

The fighters as a whole don't get rewarded in the ufc tho. The ufc heavyweight champion makes less than Vasyl Lomachenko. You don't see a problem with that? Dana white is the only person benefiting Why should we care?

It's even more than that. The mentality of fighters in MMA are different than in boxing. McGregor originally took the Nate Diaz fight last March on 10 days notice and had the fight at 15 lbs heavier than his schedule fight. His schedule fight was even 10 lbs heavier than his last fight. He lost and still took the rematch at 170lbs. Fans respect that. Who in boxing with McGregor's fame would be pulling risks like that? It's none of this careful opponent selection in order to give the appearance of a flawless record. The refreshing part of MMA is that losing is much more accepted since there are far more ways to lose in a MMA fight. At the end of the day this is all just entertainment. Neither MMA or Boxers are up there curing cancer. People just want to watch good compelling fights. kell brook

It's even more than that. The mentality of fighters in MMA are different than in boxing. McGregor originally took the Nate Diaz fight last March on 10 days notice and had the fight at 15 lbs heavier than his schedule fight. His schedule fight was even 10 lbs heavier than his last fight. He lost and still took the rematch at 170lbs. Fans respect that. Who in boxing with McGregor's fame would be pulling risks like that? It's none of this careful opponent selection in order to give the appearance of a flawless record. The refreshing part of MMA is that losing is much more accepted since there are far more ways to lose in a MMA fight. At the end of the day this is all just entertainment. Neither MMA or Boxers are up there curing cancer. People just want to watch good compelling fights. Conor took the first Diaz fight because Diaz isn't any good. That hype last night was for a fight that would be like for Thurman fighting Chris Algieri in boxing. The UFC just has a terrific hype machine. Nate Diaz is a focking journeyman and they were acting like he was a prime Anderson Silva..

boxers and boxing promoters are failing to craft compelling narratives at the moment. or in cases where a narrative naturally exists, they are failing to capitalise on it. the sport is riddled with parasites who are so obsessed with their next pay cheque that they have no interest in or ability to actually build something for the future dana white creates a narrative, gives it an audience and then provides a satisfying conclusion to it by making the fight happen in a timely manner. obviously there's an element of luck as to whether the fight itself will deliver or be a dud, but if you make enough evenly-matched fights then you are bound to get a fair share of thrillers and people will forget about the duds It's even more than that. The mentality of fighters in MMA are different than in boxing. McGregor originally took the Nate Diaz fight last March on 10 days notice and had the fight at 15 lbs heavier than his schedule fight. His schedule fight was even 10 lbs heavier than his last fight. He lost and still took the rematch at 170lbs. Fans respect that. Who in boxing with McGregor's fame would be pulling risks like that? It's none of this careful opponent selection in order to give the appearance of a flawless record. The refreshing part of MMA is that losing is much more accepted since there are far more ways to lose in a MMA fight. At the end of the day this is all just entertainment. Neither MMA or Boxers are up there curing cancer. People just want to watch good compelling fights.

Boxing will NEVER be able to replicate what the ufc has because of the cold war. Too many separate promotions. It's like having 3 different UFC's, and the top guys of each organizations not allowed to fight the other top guys. Boxing is ****ed because of that. I honestly don't give a crap whether Harmon, Oscar, or arum have all the fighters to themselves, and build a monopoly. I care about the best fights, and the best fighting the best. You can talk about boxers being well paid all you want, but don't complain about the best not fighting the best then. And these people are too selfish and greedy to see that. I've always disliked Dana White but his comments of people taking and taking but never putting anything back into boxing are 100% factual. That selfish, self-serving attitude has crippled the sport.

For an MMA fighter to reach the top of the sport, he has to sign with UFC, and once he's signed, he's another slave. UFC has basically no competition in MMA. It's "take what we give you or don't fight for us" and they alternatives to UFC are not good UFC as a promotional company is bigger than any one fighter (except McGregor, arguably) and truly is bigger than the sport of MMA itself. Most people probably think UFC is the sport. That's good for the fans doe.

Boxing will NEVER be able to replicate what the ufc has because of the cold war. Too many separate promotions. It's like having 3 different UFC's, and the top guys of each organizations not allowed to fight the other top guys. Boxing is ****ed because of that. I honestly don't give a crap whether Harmon, Oscar, or arum have all the fighters to themselves, and build a monopoly. I care about the best fights, and the best fighting the best. You can talk about boxers being well paid all you want, but don't complain about the best not fighting the best then.

Great thread, I haven't felt that excitement watching a boxing fight in.... well I can't remember the last time a boxing fight excited me that much. Wtf is with your sig?

Boxing this year has been horrible tbh We got Canelo fighitng smith, GGG fighting brook, Pacquaio fighting vargas. All uninteresting fights from the 3 biggest fighters. And this is why I'm not paying for either one of them.

For an MMA fighter to reach the top of the sport, he has to sign with UFC, and once he's signed, he's another slave. UFC has basically no competition in MMA. It's "take what we give you or don't fight for us" and they alternatives to UFC are not good UFC as a promotional company is bigger than any one fighter (except McGregor, arguably) and truly is bigger than the sport of MMA itself. Most people probably think UFC is the sport.

Mayweather vs hatton was the greatest fight atmosphere of all time in america. Come on dude . . .

The fighters as a whole don't get rewarded in the ufc tho. The ufc heavyweight champion makes less than Vasyl Lomachenko. You don't see a problem with that? Dana white is the only person benefiting Well Dana only owns about 10% of the company. But yeah the fighter union is a good idea. Hope it takes off. Company could clearly afford to pay them a lot more. Zuffa making $4Bn or whatever it was from the sale of the company, and some fighters getting $50k on PPV cards is disgusting.

The fighters as a whole don't get rewarded in the ufc tho. The ufc heavyweight champion makes less than Vasyl Lomachenko. You don't see a problem with that? Dana white is the only person benefiting Depends on a lot of things though. In UFC, you get paid your worth. Bring in big crowds and big PPV's and you're making millions with base salary and PPV revenue split. In boxing, we have very average guys getting paid millions to fight bums. It's more about boxers being overpaid for crap fights.

Yeah the two major differences are (1) control and (2) social media savvy. The UFC is really, really well marketed. Way more high quality, easily accessed content available online. Better fan shows, better interviews, better behind the scenes footage. Boxing is archaic by comparison. Just thinking about the difference between the doc style stuff the UFC has and those heavily edited, overly produced 24/7 or 'all access' shows makes me cringe. Boxing promoters just don't have anything near the professionalism and media savvy of the UFC organisation. White and the Fertittas took an ugly, damn near unmarketable concept in 'cage fighting' and completely legitimised it through polished & modern presentation. The sort of garbage top rank and pbc come out with is embarrassing when you compare it to that. PBC did try to change things, but they got more wrong than they got right. Mainly because it was all so fake and manufactured. And rather than solidify the core fanbase's support for the project, they sold us mismatch after mismatch and dragged their feet on the fights people wanted. If they really wanted to signal that they were changing things, they wouldn't have done that. Ultimately though, the UFC's control over its fighters is what makes all of this possible. Everything else becomes easier because of it. Boxing is forever undermined by petty squabbling and every promoter trying to milk the last dime out of their fighters. Few risks are taken. In the UFC, big names take risky fights and the sport as a whole gets the reward. The fighters as a whole don't get rewarded in the ufc tho. The ufc heavyweight champion makes less than Vasyl Lomachenko. You don't see a problem with that? Dana white is the only person benefiting

UFC is trash and pure visual ugliness. It can never touch boxing in terms of aesthetic beauty and elegance. Even that fight last night was massively overrated. You could not pay me to watch the undercard. However, boxing REALLY needs to study their marketing, because that sport is a triumph of marketing and promotion. It somehow is able to sell such a dreadful product and convince people they actually enjoy it. Unfortunately, boxing is run by dinosaurs (Arum) and by shady business men (Haymon) who are utterly clueless in their decisions in the current marketplace, fuelled as they are by either outdated ideas and fear. Mayweather did untold damage to the sport, and his fight with Pacquiao was the nadir of all his bullsh*t. The sport should be fresher and more vital coming out of his retirement and holding the sport hostage, but Haymon is trying to bury Arum and HBO because he doesn't know how to be successful financially without Floyd. Yeah the two major differences are (1) control and (2) social media savvy. The UFC is really, really well marketed. Way more high quality, easily accessed content available online. Better fan shows, better interviews, better behind the scenes footage. Boxing is archaic by comparison. Just thinking about the difference between the doc style stuff the UFC has and those heavily edited, overly produced 24/7 or 'all access' shows makes me cringe. Boxing promoters just don't have anything near the professionalism and media savvy of the UFC organisation. White and the Fertittas took an ugly, damn near unmarketable concept in 'cage fighting' and completely legitimised it through polished & modern presentation. The sort of garbage top rank and pbc come out with is embarrassing when you compare it to that. PBC did try to change things, but they got more wrong than they got right. Mainly because it was all so fake and manufactured. And rather than solidify the core fanbase's support for the project, they sold us mismatch after mismatch and dragged their feet on the fights people wanted. If they really wanted to signal that they were changing things, they wouldn't have done that. Ultimately though, the UFC's control over its fighters is what makes all of this possible. Everything else becomes easier because of it. Boxing is forever undermined by petty squabbling and every promoter trying to milk the last dime out of their fighters. Few risks are taken. In the UFC, big names take risky fights and the sport as a whole gets the reward.

UFC know how to sell, but there are only a couple of guys that can do crazy numbers; Lesnar and McGregor. Those two guys bring an attention, hype level and interest that few (if any) current combat athletes can match. Last night had McGregor and it was backed up by a stacked undercard. It was a huge success.

boxers and boxing promoters are failing to craft compelling narratives at the moment. or in cases where a narrative naturally exists, they are failing to capitalise on it. the sport is riddled with parasites who are so obsessed with their next pay cheque that they have no interest in or ability to actually build something for the future dana white creates a narrative, gives it an audience and then provides a satisfying conclusion to it by making the fight happen in a timely manner. obviously there's an element of luck as to whether the fight itself will deliver or be a dud, but if you make enough evenly-matched fights then you are bound to get a fair share of thrillers and people will forget about the duds i actually hope that boxing "dies" soon because the whole infrastructure needs to be destroyed and rebuilt

Neither Mayweather nor Pacquiao ever produced stacked cards that delivered. The Top Rank cards almost always sucked and the best we got from Mayweather was Garcia-Matthysse. The reaction was almost always negative. Mayweather vs hatton was the greatest fight atmosphere of all time in america.