Kell Brook's resume at times has been questioned due to lack of big name opposition. The Shawn Porter win was an A+ win, especially considering he went on to rough up the supposed next big thing in Keith Thurman. Some would say that fight showed Brook is the class of the division. Brook's shots kept Porter at bay, but Porter walked through flush Thurman shots. Brook's win over Porter was clear, Thurman escaped with a controversial Al Haymon decision. Now Brook moves up two full weight classes to take on undefeated unified MW champion boogeyman Golovkin. Where will you place Kell when he outslicks GGG? When he eats the shots of Gennad and keeps coming? When he takes not only takes that funny english speaking guy to town and shows him a superior form of speaking in a comically unpleasant way? I'd say this puts him right behind Ward in the #2 spot P4P.
nobody cares what you think, you clown :lol1:. you don't even know enough about boxing to put golovkin oni your list. either that or you're just hat f#cking biased.
go post your pathetic top 10 again :lol1:
im biased because my opinion is different than yours...gotcha..yOU HATE MY OPINION BECAUSE i ALWAYS SHOW HOW BIASED YOU ARE AND HOW YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE......YET YOU NEVER POSTED A LIST AND ASKED ME TO POST MINE...IM STILL WAITING ON YOU..YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE A JOKE SO YOU AVOID IT ALTOGETHER...YOU'RE A COWARD MAN
I posted who I consider the top ten best fighters in the world and explained why I rank them their
change your tampon, and quit all the bellyaching and crying.
GGG has a lot of talent but in comparison to guys like Chocolatito, Danny Garcia, Timmeh Bradley, Ward, he hasnt faced the competition they have
why get so upset over the truth...im not knocking GGG, he just hasnt taken the risks they have
beating GGG isnt enough for him to be considered p4p...GGG isnt proven as the other guys considered p4p....guys like Chocolatito, Kovalev, and Crawford have fights that could turn the p4p landscape upside down
I just cant see how one win, which it would be great, could trump Chocolatito going 40+ no losses and titles from 105-115 if he beats Caudras.....If Kovalev beats ward or vise versa they'd be ranked higher because theyve fought overall better comp plus the big one.
nobody cares what you think, you clown :lol1:. you don't even know enough about boxing to put golovkin oni your list. either that or you're just hat f#cking biased.
go post your pathetic top 10 again :lol1:
Was Buster Dougles p4p number 1 when he destroyed Iron Mike?
he was on the ring p4p list, but i'll have to find a better source than the annual ratings, becuase he was defeated before 1990 had ended.
some important considerations:
1. an all time great named julio was in his prime in '90. it was much easier to pick an alternative to tyson.
2. douglas is a HW, and a much bigger one than tyson. brook is a welterweight, and would be jumping two weight classes to beat golovkin.
brook will be p4p #1 on virtually every list if he beats golovkin. and he should be.
jumping two wegitht to fight a pound for pounder? it would be one of the best wins in boxing in a while.
brook would be the top p4p fighter on the planet without a doubt. this fight is, of course, a total mismatch, so it will not happen.
beating GGG isnt enough for him to be considered p4p...GGG isnt proven as the other guys considered p4p....guys like Chocolatito, Kovalev, and Crawford have fights that could turn the p4p landscape upside down
I just cant see how one win, which it would be great, could trump Chocolatito going 40+ no losses and titles from 105-115 if he beats Caudras.....If Kovalev beats ward or vise versa they'd be ranked higher because theyve fought overall better comp plus the big one.
jumping two wegitht to fight a pound for pounder? it would be one of the best wins in boxing in a while.
brook would be the top p4p fighter on the planet without a doubt. this fight is, of course, a total mismatch, so it will not happen.
What has Gonzales done to rival anything even remotely close to a GGG win?
1 big win isnt better than an overall body of work....Chocolatito has kicked azz from 105-112 and will be fighting at 115 soon and is still undefeated...he also wins in dominating fashion most of the time.
Also GGG is highly unproven himself in comparison to other big name top fighters today. Whether its his fault or not, fighters are judged by who they fight and the risks they take and GGG and Brook have not fought a lot of top guys so this fight regardless of who wins, doesnt really affect the p4p scheme to me
neither are top ten p4p in my book when its fighters with comparable talent and far better resumes in the game. If he did beat ggg I'D say lower top ten
I remember in the early 2000s and late 90s they flip flop p4p because of 1 big win....even though roy jones was clearly the best fighter in the world until november 8th 2003 when he started to clearly decline and barely got by Tarver...before that they had hopkins, trinidad, mosley, dlh all number one some time during 1999-2003 even though Jones did things in the ring they couldnt do and none were close to him in talent
one big win isnt enough to become number 1 p4p or p4p period its the overall body of work
Kell Brook's resume at times has been questioned due to lack of big name opposition. The Shawn Porter win was an A+ win, especially considering he went on to rough up the supposed next big thing in Keith Thurman. Some would say that fight showed Brook is the class of the division. Brook's shots kept Porter at bay, but Porter walked through flush Thurman shots. Brook's win over Porter was clear, Thurman escaped with a controversial Al Haymon decision. Now Brook moves up two full weight classes to take on undefeated unified MW champion boogeyman Golovkin. Where will you place Kell when he outslicks GGG? When he eats the shots of Gennad and keeps coming? When he takes not only takes that funny english speaking guy to town and shows him a superior form of speaking in a comically unpleasant way? I'd say this puts him right behind Ward in the #2 spot P4P.
It will place him #1. Going up two weight classes to fight one of the most dangerous fighters in boxing can't be ignored.
But you are wrong with that performance of the Porter fight. He did win but he did a lot of holding, annoying fight that he shows some brilliance but the ref allowed him to hold too much when Thurman actually decided to fight him.
Triangle theories do not work in boxing
Kell Brook's resume at times has been questioned due to lack of big name opposition. The Shawn Porter win was an A+ win, especially considering he went on to rough up the supposed next big thing in Keith Thurman. Some would say that fight showed Brook is the class of the division. Brook's shots kept Porter at bay, but Porter walked through flush Thurman shots. Brook's win over Porter was clear, Thurman escaped with a controversial Al Haymon decision. Now Brook moves up two full weight classes to take on undefeated unified MW champion boogeyman Golovkin. Where will you place Kell when he outslicks GGG? When he eats the shots of Gennad and keeps coming? When he takes not only takes that funny english speaking guy to town and shows him a superior form of speaking in a comically unpleasant way? I'd say this puts him right behind Ward in the #2 spot P4P.
Itd be difficult to not have him at one, considering he would have done what defines p4p. Jump up 13lb, to fight a bigger, stronger opponent who is currently primed. Champ in 1 division fighting champ in another, both at their best.
That's of course if Fury doesn't annihilate Wlad or Ward/Kov doesn't end with one guy dominating the other.
Lemiuex would KO Jacobs, Eubank jr and Lee. I think Monroe Jr would give all those guys major problems as well.
GGG fought TONS of elite amateurs and pretty much dominated all of them. Now he is doing the exact same thing as a pro. I think that you'll find there is a reason why guys don't want to face him. He trains like an animal and can change gears. It may be a case where he is making pretty good boxers look like they are rubbish because he is more than the robotic brawler that people label him as sometimes.
^^^lol
Lemieux gets put out by Rubio, gets beat by a fading/faded Joachim Alcine, spends the next two years fighting nothing but no-hopers, and can't outbox Hassan N'Dam for 6 rounds (in a fight where he was literally given every boxing advantage), yet folks are supposed to believe that Lemieux simply saws through everyone else?
based on what?
Haha Jacobs has the ugly KO loss to Pirog on his ledger. Your using that to build up his resume? He is the one top ranked fighter in the division who has a crappier resume then GGG. Proksa was probably a top ten rated win as well. Its too bad Pirog/GGG never happened. It would have been a war.
just because you want to ignore the fact that Golovkin has been fighting dog**** for the last 4 years, doesn't mean that everyone else will be willing to.
If by some miracle Brook beat GGG, he would easily be pfp #1. There are a handful of people in boxing right now that if you beat them would be considered A level victories. Starting from the lower weights to the higher ones it goes Gonzalez, Rigondeaux, Santa Cruz, Lomachenko/Walters, Golovkin, Ward, and Kovalev. These are guys that even though they haven't fought everyone in there weight class due to various reasons, they have set themselves apart from the rest by the fashion in which they beat similar level of opposition. I may have left out some people but you get the gist of it.
Now in the case of Brook going up two divisions it would be considered a legendary win because he defeated an A level opponent in his prime two divisions north. For comparison sake on the quality of a win over Golovkin, if the Canelo-Golovkin fight happened and Canelo was to win that fight it would be considered Canelo's best win on his resume by far at this current moment in time.
Golovkin has yet to show anyone how good he actually is (blowing out C level fighters doesn't tell me much; beyond that, you can't point to a single person that Golovkin has fought who Daniel Jacobs, Peter Quillin, and possibly Billy Joe Saunders/Chris Eubank Jr/Andy Lee couldn't beat).
If Brook steps in and boxes Golovkin's ears off to a wide decision, people will look to who Golovkin had spent the last 4-6 years fighting, acknowledge that the comp was bunk, and Golovkin would be seen as a hype job.
Lemiuex would KO Jacobs, Eubank jr and Lee. I think Monroe Jr would give all those guys major problems as well.
GGG fought TONS of elite amateurs and pretty much dominated all of them. Now he is doing the exact same thing as a pro. I think that you'll find there is a reason why guys don't want to face him. He trains like an animal and can change gears. It may be a case where he is making pretty good boxers look like they are rubbish because he is more than the robotic brawler that people label him as sometimes.