The stupidity of people believen the HW's are natural.

It's difficult to say, Joshua has never been caught, Fury is under suspicion now and everyone would think it should have been the other way around. There's no way of saying who's doing what just by looking at them. Speculation until something substantial is presented.

One thing is to be in shape and another thing is to be so muscular. And they don't train to create muscle in the same way you do, they train using more body weights. Yet they have muscles of a bodybuilder. I posted links to pics of Wlad, AJ, Wilder, and I would add Haye too. Wilder has a pretty athletic build to be fair to him so I wouldn't be suspicious of his physique. I understand what you're saying, the bulk that Wlad and AJ have and the muscle definition with it could be linked to PEDs, as most, heck all body builders are but it would not be impossible to do it naturally.

One thing is to be in shape and another thing is to be so muscular. And they don't train to create muscle in the same way you do, they train using more body weights. Yet they have muscles of a bodybuilder. I posted links to pics of Wlad, AJ, Wilder, and I would add Haye too. If you ever went through a boxing training program you would know that you can develop the muscles of a body builder without lifting weights. These guys are in phenomenal shape because they train hard and take care of their body through nutrition, proper sleep, etc.

Fury is on PEDs his stamina is simply abnormal for a guy his size who looks like a tub of lard he takes PEDs to increase stamina only, he doesn't care about punching hard or looking ripped like most juicers do in fact, he probably stays out of shape on purpose as to mislead everybody, the cunning dbag

i knew butterbean was into something.... http://www.sherdog.com/image_crop.php?image=http://www.origin.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20141225014253_IMG_4337.JPG&&width=200&&height=300

Absolutely. When your job is to be an prime shape - it's a lot more attainable. It's not like 99% of people on a boxing forum who are putting in 30min after their 9-5. Unless you're Tyson Fury, and you don't put in jack. Oh, it sounds like Fury is putting something in, putting some muscle jet fuel up in those veins.

Being buff doesnt mean automatically your on steroids. Do you even workout bro? Im not saying they are clean though joshua is probably on some peds and haye is too. But boxers train their ass off and do lots of conditioning and strength training so thats how they get so much muscle. Absolutely. When your job is to be an prime shape - it's a lot more attainable. It's not like 99% of people on a boxing forum who are putting in 30min after their 9-5. Unless you're Tyson Fury, and you don't put in jack.

The only heavyweight since 1980s that never juiced was David tua. Unless gravy is a ped. Like. He was on those Samoan PED's - a bucket of chicken with potato and gravy. Damn I miss Tua.

I workout like 6 days a week and I'm by no means a big guy. Typically, I train for lean muscle mass, sets of 10-15 on everything that I do. Every other day, I either do HIIT or treadmill for cardio. My diet is crap, like literally, I drink a ton, eat McDonalds at least two days a week and like the chips. Even so, I'm still at like 10%-12% body fat with the crappy diet. When I start to diet, I can lean out really quickly because my diet is the only thing holding me back. People have asked me if I'm on steroids when I try to diet because I guess you look much bigger when you are leaned out. It takes dedication to get really lean unless you have really good genetics and are young. My brother is like that, very lean and he does what he wants but he isn't a big guy either. I have a stockier frame and will pack on the pounds if I stay away from the gym for a month or so. Most of the top boxers are on the gear because they need that edge, I truly believe that. But..........I know from personal experience that you can get in great shape with nothing at all. I only take whey protein shakes and fish oil pills....2 shakes a day at 30 grams a shake and Oikos Triple 0 Greek yogurt, 22 grams per serving. Keep it around 1 gram of protein for each pound of bodyweight and cut out the carbs, you'll be ripped soon enough.

These guys have been training and working towards being a pro boxer since they were kids if not teenagers.

Being buff doesnt mean automatically your on steroids. Do you even workout bro? Im not saying they are clean though joshua is probably on some peds and haye is too. But boxers train their ass off and do lots of conditioning and strength training so thats how they get so much muscle.

I'm not a trained fighter, although I used to be in the ams. I still train but only 3-4 times a week and i'm in better shape than 99% of modern day heavyweight challengers. I don't even have protein shakes let alone anything else. So, for someone like AJ or Wlad to be in that type of shape is not that difficult as they are literally paid to be in the almost every day of the week. 3 things: -Your age? -Your height/weight? -Pics of your body to see you're not bsing over exaggerating your fitness levels? Preferably, not when you have a pump from lifting.

One thing is to be in shape and another thing is to be so muscular. And they don't train to create muscle in the same way you do, they train using more body weights. Yet they have muscles of a bodybuilder. I posted links to pics of Wlad, AJ, Wilder, and I would add Haye too. What do you think about joseph parker? Also include a pic of tyson fury

another fatty that cant believe people can shape their bodies lmfao. genes play a huge role in ones physique, im solid and I can get ripped if I diet but my homie back in the day was this black dude who was ripped his entire life (as long as I knew him 7th grade up) and dude was malnutrition, I remember when his lazy ass finally got a job he bulked up quick but stayed ripped he just got yoked fast and put mass on quick. The more these fools talk the more you can tell they haven't stepped foot in a gym or lifted a weight their entire life. Also, welcome back man

another fatty that cant believe people can shape their bodies lmfao. genes play a huge role in ones physique, im solid and I can get ripped if I diet but my homie back in the day was this black dude who was ripped his entire life (as long as I knew him 7th grade up) and dude was malnutrition, I remember when his lazy ass finally got a job he bulked up quick but stayed ripped he just got yoked fast and put mass on quick. Lol I know someone like that. He ****ing eats chips, cookies, candy bars and soda all day. Yet is ripped. Six pack, lean arms, you name it

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Innocent till proven guilty Mad Max. That's how it works in Amurrica

The only heavyweight since 1980s that never juiced was David tua. Unless gravy is a ped.

Most athletes are using some form of PEDS legal or not. And no, some of these heavyweights are natural. Wlad is likely on some undercover legal sh1t type PEDS they haven't found about yet. Wilder looks legit, he's ripped but not super bulky like Joshua. I'm quite surprised fury was caught but come on, he looks like a bag of potatoes and his stamina is not natural. Wilder is clean I bet

I'm not a trained fighter, although I used to be in the ams. I still train but only 3-4 times a week and i'm in better shape than 99% of modern day heavyweight challengers. I don't even have protein shakes let alone anything else. So, for someone like AJ or Wlad to be in that type of shape is not that difficult as they are literally paid to be in the almost every day of the week. One thing is to be in shape and another thing is to be so muscular. And they don't train to create muscle in the same way you do, they train using more body weights. Yet they have muscles of a bodybuilder. Hey bro I'm not sure which heavyweights you are talking about post some pics and names please I posted links to pics of Wlad, AJ, Wilder, and I would add Haye too.